You mean the hardware limitations that are still in place due to having to be optimized for lower-midrange spec PCs that are equal to, slightly better, and/or slightly worse than PS4 spec-wise? Meanwhile the PS4 has less background processes and a smaller-footprint OS that would otherwise drag performance down? Let's not kid ourselves, there is no real hardware limitation on PS4 that isn't already a limitation on certain mid-range PC builds (some of which are worse than PS4), and those will be compensated for anyway.

It would be wise to.

Currently ps4 users are starved for good games.
For example:after playing Blacklight retribution on the ps4,i kept coming back to Dust 514 on the ps3.
It feels more full,and not just a hollow shell like retribution did.

Currently ps4 has several F2P titles:
-DCUO (super heros)
-War thunder (realistic war vehicles)
-Blacklight retribution (generic TDM game)
-War frame (an ugly team game)


And that's it...
Most people playing those games are only doing so because they have no other options.

If Dust were to transfer to ps4 while it's still relatively new,it would snatch many of those players away from their competition. Probably for keeps.

And could gain a potentially ravenous following via the built in streaming available through ps4.
Dust would generate a satisfaction through difficulty that those other games simply couldn't compete with.

yes, months ago before legion was even announced i said ccp would start over on a new platform and fire shanghai.

i was right about starting over on a new platform, though i meant ps4 at the time and i still believe it should.
shooters belong on consoles, eve belongs on pcs.
keyboard and mouse sucks for shooters.

Long term it would be beneficial for CCP to expand to another platform and group of people. Short term, it makes sense for them to stick with PC becuase they are better at that (PS3 is notoriously hard to program for) and can't take the chance of failing again.

But don't waste anyone's time with the argument about "hardware limitations". The lack of power is not what held this game back. Take Destiny. For all it's flaws it handles large numbers of simultaneous players from different regions, even while they are doing different PvE missions, crossing paths in the same maps/environments, and somehow manages to not lag and have working hit detection. Sorcery!

It was shoddy programming, pure and simple. If you want to blame the vagaries of the cell processor, that's fair, but it's not because the PS3 is "weak", and the argument also does not apply to the PS4 with it's more conventional architecture.

More importantly, if you put Dust on a top of the line gaming PC, that PC is not going to automatically balance the game. It won't prevent cloaked shotty scouts from being OP, nor will it introduce Amarr HAV's or Gallente heavy weapons. Only CCP can do that.

I don't believe that CCP can reach that vision they had with Dust 514 on the ps3.

Of course they can't, which is why it's mindboggling they didn't have the PS4 in mind from the get go and just treated the PS3 version as a beta.

Wow, this thread, arguing over PC or PS4 for legion, is it officially in development? Or are you arguing over pure speculation based on "if" still.

What are the specs on system requirements for this game?

You probably don't know cause they DON"T EXIST!!!!!

Stop arguing over something that probably won't happen...

The ps4 hardware isn't horrible and ya it can equal or surpass a low to mid gaming pc by a bit but that's where it's stuck at forever. Ya they'll be able to do tweaks to it with software updates but that's it.

Now I am not saying that the ps4 won't be able to run what we saw at fanfest with stuff we have in dust (connectiong to eve, weapons, vehicles) but improved because I'm sure it will. Plus they are also using the same engine which is supposedly a heavily modified unreal 3 engine. But how far can they go?

Will we be able to have huge battles with huge and open maps, more than 64 players? Walk around in stations with EVE players? Be able to travel around on a planet outside of combat? I'm not sure what CCP is able to do when it comes to achieving that original vision they had with dust when working with the ps4 hardware but it's stuck with the hardware it's got and at some point they would be stuck because of the ps4 hardware while hardware for PC's keep on improving yearly or a little less than a year.

Basically they won't get stuck if they stick to the PC

@ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match.

not what I heard, but regardless, do you really believe that its because of hardware and not developer incompetence?

... CCP is the Dev and publisher of their own games. Of course they look for profit, but thats not what they aim for mainly like other companies out there. They're ore about their game, and community..

Well I got bf4 for the ps3 and 32 per match was the limit.

Seems to me it's both the hardware and the lack of experience of the developers programming for the ps3

actually its laziness, theres an article somewhere on one of the gaming news sites (forgot where, haven't checked in 3 years) that said most companies that get contracts with both sony and Microsoft for the games to be released on both platforms don't want to take the time it takes to make something look good on ps3 when itl only take 5 months on xbox, ps3 hardware more advanced, but developers are lazy as ****.

Laziness or maybe newer devs just aren't trained to be working on consoles but have an idea of how to do it?

I'm not sure but anyways the hardware is still and always will be an issue. Being stuck with this one box that will only improve software wise and devs having to go through the company that owns the software on that box really seems like too much to deal with.

Should Legion come to the ps4 also?

Nah. Then we'll have to listen to them ***** about getting rekt by mouse users and they'll want to gimp the KBM all over again so their potato thumbsticks have a chance.

Seriously, peasants, you have plenty of time before this game ever comes out. Get a job, save your pennies, build a reasonably priced PC. It's not that hard and it's very worth it.

I'd prefer to call them simpler gamers instead of peasants lol, but you're right it isn't that hard to figure out how to build a PC and even though it will most likely cost more than a ps4 it's worth it.

It looks great on the PC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFOepBdTgx0

TL;DR so if this was said i appoligise for repeating

No.

That all.. jk

The reason why i say no, is that i think CCP an into some roadblocks trying to merge dust and eve together. Its one of these things that you can only gain from experence, and if you don;t try you can;t see it. Also i have heard that Sony was a pita when it came to patches. And, honestly, if Legion and EvE are both on pc, and under ccp's complete control, then the 6 week release cycle that eve has can easily be ported to legion and you would have vibrant and fast updates for legion at the same time that you do for eve. Now add in the fact that valk is on pc.. then you can see that doing everything on pc, maybe with it all on TQ would make managment and patching and eventually combining of all things, so much easier in the long run.

You also kill a middle man, who might say 'you know CCP, we don;t want you to have the abilty to do this because we really don;t want to allow non PS users access to this." or whatever

So again.. no

@ voidecho Well even if they aren't as trained on how to exactly get games working on consoles they might have an idea and it might not take long on learning how to get it set over for a console. But anyways that part is all speculation to me.

But the second part in my previous response where I said being stuck with a box that hardly improves over time and having to go through the company that designed and sold it is still a big issue to me. CCP has had to go through Sony just to update Dust which costs them time and supposedly money. It'd probably be much more time and money just to have Legion on both PC and ps4.

Now they may or may not have to go through much with PC, with EVE they have a client for people to download from their website. Downloading from Steam is optional but not required to play EVE, only reason I can see people downloading EVE from Steam is if they use Steam for all their games.

When it comes down to hardware they have nearly no limit, only limit is how much a PC gamer will spend to upgrade to Play Legion. Look at Star Citizen, the group that's developing that game is gonna make nearly everyone upgrade their rig because of how massive the game is gonna be. They are only making it for PC because of exactly what I said they aren't being held back by the hardware setup by some company in a box that won't improve much. http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/cloud-imperium-on-star-citizen-mods-pc-exclusivity-graphical-features-directx12-multi-core-cpus/. Read the second paragraph of what the interviewee said.

There isn't much more else I can or need to add to this response but here is one last thing and this is my opinion.

Consoles are bought by those who want gaming simple, so keep it simple for them. Games like Legion and Star Citizen aren't simple games so give those games to those who don't mind compilation added to their gaming experience(PC gamers).

You don't even know how Legion is going to exactly play out in terms of gameplay mechanics or features . So calling it a simple or complex game doesn't mean much . For all you know CCP will make these game run of low end hardware . CCP basically saying it the Legion supposedly going to be a "sandbox game" without saying how much it will actually be one and we or CCP does not even know if it will ship as one. There as not been a really large scale sandbox FPS nearly all of them has forms of instances or a low maximum amount of players. Star citizen is no expectation. Which is a different issue, since that game focus heavily on graphics fidelity, attention to detail, textures like every ship having a very detailed interior that is streamless to transition to, and very high levels of immersion .