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Void Echo Total Extinction 2738	Posted - 2014.11.03 05:40:00 - [1] - Quote They should port it to ps4 if they are able to, at the moment with no good fps games (destiny and cod aside) Dust 514 or "Legion" could potentially double CCP's revenue for profit by extending it to another platform, however, ever since they bulled their own "xbone" blunder when announcing legion, it would be hard to convince players on console to actually trust CCP still after what they did. By alienating a certain platform or demographic, every company either gaming or non has always found themselves without funding and essentially hated to the point where they often apologize and eventually allow more people to use their products which in turn gives them more money. if legion were to go on ps4, it would be one of the best decisions CCP has ever made, regardless of the "PC Elitists" dogma and mindset. It would potentially increase EVE Online's playerbase ten fold by introducing it to the console market seriously this time increasing CCP's revenue from EVE Online itself, after all, before Dust 514 ever came out, no console player had ever even heard of EVE Online. If you want to keep EVE Online the way it is with less than half the playerbase of every individual COD game or even WoW then go ahead and keep it for PC only, just don't complain when nobody will play with you because its only for your kind. Closed Beta Vet. Helix-Void_Echo Until you know the pain I know, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2741	Posted - 2014.11.04 04:42:00 - [2] - Quote da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: They should port it to ps4 if they are able to, at the moment with no good fps games (destiny and cod aside) Dust 514 or "Legion" could potentially double CCP's revenue for profit by extending it to another platform, however, ever since they bulled their own "xbone" blunder when announcing legion, it would be hard to convince players on console to actually trust CCP still after what they did. By alienating a certain platform or demographic, every company either gaming or non has always found themselves without funding and essentially hated to the point where they often apologize and eventually allow more people to use their products which in turn gives them more money. if legion were to go on ps4, it would be one of the best decisions CCP has ever made, regardless of the "PC Elitists" dogma and mindset. It would potentially increase EVE Online's playerbase ten fold by introducing it to the console market seriously this time increasing CCP's revenue from EVE Online itself, after all, before Dust 514 ever came out, no console player had ever even heard of EVE Online. If you want to keep EVE Online the way it is with less than half the playerbase of every individual COD game or even WoW then go ahead and keep it for PC only, just don't complain when nobody will play with you because its only for your kind. Again it's not about PC elitists, it's about Legions development not being held back mostly by hardware limitations of the current consoles. Sure it would be smart to get it out on the ps4 for more $$ but the game will survive on the PC. As long as people don't just see it as another f2p shooter on the PC. Dust should've been on the PC in the first place, Dust would've been so much further than it is now. you do realize that its CCPs own fault for ignoring the coming close of the ps3 generation right? but to say that the ps4 will limit legion is outright bs, its fairly close to being an mobile computer (the only difference is that you cant change parts without voiding the warranty). that mindset is also why gamers view you as "PC Elitists", if people truly cared about limitations on hardware and cost efficiency, then consoles would have ceased to exist 10 years ago when the pc market boomed, people hate when something it kept from them simply because they don't have the right thing to make it work PERFECTLY, millions of people spend thousands of dollars a month on consoles and console games, and your telling me that they are all concerned about hardware limitations? get a dose of reality and see that your PC world isn't the only world that exists. Closed Beta Vet. Helix-Void_Echo Until you know the pain I know, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2742	Posted - 2014.11.12 03:47:00 - [3] - Quote da GAND wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: They should port it to ps4 if they are able to, at the moment with no good fps games (destiny and cod aside) Dust 514 or "Legion" could potentially double CCP's revenue for profit by extending it to another platform, however, ever since they bulled their own "xbone" blunder when announcing legion, it would be hard to convince players on console to actually trust CCP still after what they did. By alienating a certain platform or demographic, every company either gaming or non has always found themselves without funding and essentially hated to the point where they often apologize and eventually allow more people to use their products which in turn gives them more money. if legion were to go on ps4, it would be one of the best decisions CCP has ever made, regardless of the "PC Elitists" dogma and mindset. It would potentially increase EVE Online's playerbase ten fold by introducing it to the console market seriously this time increasing CCP's revenue from EVE Online itself, after all, before Dust 514 ever came out, no console player had ever even heard of EVE Online. If you want to keep EVE Online the way it is with less than half the playerbase of every individual COD game or even WoW then go ahead and keep it for PC only, just don't complain when nobody will play with you because its only for your kind. Again it's not about PC elitists, it's about Legions development not being held back mostly by hardware limitations of the current consoles. Sure it would be smart to get it out on the ps4 for more $$ but the game will survive on the PC. As long as people don't just see it as another f2p shooter on the PC. Dust should've been on the PC in the first place, Dust would've been so much further than it is now. You mean the hardware limitations that are still in place due to having to be optimized for lower-midrange spec PCs that are equal to, slightly better, and/or slightly worse than PS4 spec-wise? Meanwhile the PS4 has less background processes and a smaller-footprint OS that would otherwise drag performance down? Let's not kid ourselves, there is no real hardware limitation on PS4 that isn't already a limitation on certain mid-range PC builds (some of which are worse than PS4), and those will be compensated for anyway. The ps4 hardware isn't horrible and ya it can equal or surpass a low to mid gaming pc by a bit but that's where it's stuck at forever. Ya they'll be able to do tweaks to it with software updates but that's it. Now I am not saying that the ps4 won't be able to run what we saw at fanfest with stuff we have in dust (connectiong to eve, weapons, vehicles) but improved because I'm sure it will. Plus they are also using the same engine which is supposedly a heavily modified unreal 3 engine. But how far can they go? Will we be able to have huge battles with huge and open maps, more than 64 players? Walk around in stations with EVE players? Be able to travel around on a planet outside of combat? I'm not sure what CCP is able to do when it comes to achieving that original vision they had with dust when working with the ps4 hardware but it's stuck with the hardware it's got and at some point they would be stuck because of the ps4 hardware while hardware for PC's keep on improving yearly or a little less than a year. Basically they won't get stuck if they stick to the PC battlefield was able to put over 80 players in a single match almost daily on the ps3, its not a hardware limitation, its a game developer problem, if you have a high tech piece of equipment that can crack the code for the united states super computer and you give it to a bachelor at ITT tech, they would have a ***** clue on how to use it because they don't know ** about it, but if you give it to the united states government, then theyl turn it into the next super computer. its not the console that's the problem, its the people that refuse to work with the console that's the problem. Closed Beta Vet. Helix-Void_Echo Until you know the pain I know, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2743	Posted - 2014.11.13 03:35:00 - [4] - Quote da GAND wrote: @ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match. not what I heard, but regardless, do you really believe that its because of hardware and not developer incompetence? Closed Beta Vet. Helix-Void_Echo Until you know the pain I know, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2743	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:40:00 - [5] - Quote da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: @ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match. not what I heard, but regardless, do you really believe that its because of hardware and not developer incompetence? Well I got bf4 for the ps3 and 32 per match was the limit. Seems to me it's both the hardware and the lack of experience of the developers programming for the ps3 actually its laziness, theres an article somewhere on one of the gaming news sites (forgot where, haven't checked in 3 years) that said most companies that get contracts with both sony and Microsoft for the games to be released on both platforms don't want to take the time it takes to make something look good on ps3 when itl only take 5 months on xbox, ps3 hardware more advanced, but developers are lazy as ***. Closed Beta Vet. Helix-Void_Echo Until you know the pain I know, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.*
Void Echo Total Extinction 2744	Posted - 2014.11.24 00:18:00 - [6] - Quote da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: @ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match. not what I heard, but regardless, do you really believe that its because of hardware and not developer incompetence? Well I got bf4 for the ps3 and 32 per match was the limit. Seems to me it's both the hardware and the lack of experience of the developers programming for the ps3 actually its laziness, theres an article somewhere on one of the gaming news sites (forgot where, haven't checked in 3 years) that said most companies that get contracts with both sony and Microsoft for the games to be released on both platforms don't want to take the time it takes to make something look good on ps3 when itl only take 5 months on xbox, ps3 hardware more advanced, but developers are lazy as ***. Laziness or maybe newer devs just aren't trained to be working on consoles but have an idea of how to do it? I'm not sure but anyways the hardware is still and always will be an issue. Being stuck with this one box that will only improve software wise and devs having to go through the company that owns the software on that box really seems like too much to deal with. if that's the case then over half the pc games shouldn't even exist on console, yet we have millions of pc games that are perfectly operational on consoles. Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.*
Void Echo Total Extinction 2748	Posted - 2014.11.27 03:29:00 - [7] - Quote point being simple from the pc elitists "hardware limitations", our point being simple "we don't give a **, CCP will make much more money by going onto console at the same time, especially since there are no big hits for the next gen consoles yet, so this would give ccp a massive head start at profits if they go to ps4". saying that console gamers should quit whining and buy a pc is just **** and ignorant, your kind are the reason pc elitists are so hated. why don't you just buy a ***** controller so you don't have to complain about your kb/m not being supported well enough on a console game? double standard. if CCP never releases it for the ps4, they should also take Valkyrie with them. Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2748	Posted - 2014.11.27 03:31:00 - [8] - Quote da GAND wrote: Avinash Decker wrote: da GAND wrote: @ voidecho Well even if they aren't as trained on how to exactly get games working on consoles they might have an idea and it might not take long on learning how to get it set over for a console. But anyways that part is all speculation to me. But the second part in my previous response where I said being stuck with a box that hardly improves over time and having to go through the company that designed and sold it is still a big issue to me. CCP has had to go through Sony just to update Dust which costs them time and supposedly money. It'd probably be much more time and money just to have Legion on both PC and ps4. Now they may or may not have to go through much with PC, with EVE they have a client for people to download from their website. Downloading from Steam is optional but not required to play EVE, only reason I can see people downloading EVE from Steam is if they use Steam for all their games. When it comes down to hardware they have nearly no limit, only limit is how much a PC gamer will spend to upgrade to Play Legion. Look at Star Citizen, the group that's developing that game is gonna make nearly everyone upgrade their rig because of how massive the game is gonna be. They are only making it for PC because of exactly what I said they aren't being held back by the hardware setup by some company in a box that won't improve much. http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/cloud-imperium-on-star-citizen-mods-pc-exclusivity-graphical-features-directx12-multi-core-cpus/. Read the second paragraph of what the interviewee said. There isn't much more else I can or need to add to this response but here is one last thing and this is my opinion. Consoles are bought by those who want gaming simple, so keep it simple for them. Games like Legion and Star Citizen aren't simple games so give those games to those who don't mind compilation added to their gaming experience(PC gamers). You don't even know how Legion is going to exactly play out in terms of gameplay mechanics or features . So calling it a simple or complex game doesn't mean much . For all you know CCP will make these game run of low end hardware . CCP basically saying it the Legion supposedly going to be a "sandbox game" without saying how much it will actually be one and we or CCP does not even know if it will ship as one. There as not been a really large scale sandbox FPS nearly all of them has forms of instances or a low maximum amount of players. Star citizen is no expectation. Which is a different issue, since that game focus heavily on graphics fidelity, attention to detail, textures like every ship having a very detailed interior that is streamless to transition to, and very high levels of immersion . True I don't know what the hardware requirements will be for Legion but if gets put on the ps4 all CCP will be able to do is optimize the **** out of it. And then their is Sony which is supposedly hard to deal with, I don't know anything about how CCP dealt with Sony when it came to updating Dust514 but the only thing I've heard is bad stuff. Now wilI Legion be as complicated for new players as Dust was for new players? I hope so, I don't mean CCP not providing an actual tutorial but I mean people that are new to seeing so many options in a shooter. The things from EVE mattering to players such as space security lvs ( low sec, high sec, null sec and wormhole space) and all the affects of there being a certain amount or no security that Legion players may or may not need to worry about all the time. Keeping stock of their fits via the market or maybe never buying anything off the market and just using anything they salvage? Getting transport to certain areas that doesn't have a warbarge that you can't clone jump to like you would for public contracts and maybe getting killed along the way cuz the EVE pilot transporting you didn't know what he was getting into lol. And obviously more things but I'm in a rush here but I'm sure you can figure out the rest from here. I'll be back in a few hours lol. I used Star Citizen as an example of what I meant of devs not being held back by the hardware that's been set in a console for its life cycle. It's going to demand a lot from everyone's rig, graphics for sure and processing power. not to mention funding, funding is basically the life force of every industry out there, without the funding they don't exist. Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2749	Posted - 2014.12.31 05:09:00 - [9] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: da GAND wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I think it has been proven that CCP does not work well within the restrictions of consoles. Their development style does not fit well with Sony's rules for updates. Look at planetside 2. Sony has been running it for years now on PC and has continuously pushed back the PS4 launch. I think this really says a lot about the issues presented when comparing PC to console when even Sony them self has so much trouble. Agreed, I also believe that the consoles (if CCP ever got to release Legion on the ps4 and xbox one) would hold CCP back from achieving that original vision which is too much for me to explain in words so here : http://youtu.be/rKtYqWBR7h0 , http://youtu.be/aZ0k0ioROUo . The idea of an fps and Valkyrie entry into New Eden shouldn't be held back by a simple box. Im not sure if it is all a hardware issue tho. If you look at CCPs style in both Dust and Eve they seem to much prefer allowing the player base to quality check. Sony on the other hand, from what I have seen anyway, requires a drawn out process before publishing which really slows down the process. translation- CCP: just goes with the flow and releases everything at once for the players to get angry over and be happy over and does adjustments accordingly. Sony: requires the updates to be finished, polished and well done to the point where there are no visible bugs for anyone to get pissed off at before it gets released. did I get that right? Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2750	Posted - 2014.12.31 05:26:00 - [10] - Quote da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: da GAND wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I think it has been proven that CCP does not work well within the restrictions of consoles. Their development style does not fit well with Sony's rules for updates. Look at planetside 2. Sony has been running it for years now on PC and has continuously pushed back the PS4 launch. I think this really says a lot about the issues presented when comparing PC to console when even Sony them self has so much trouble. Agreed, I also believe that the consoles (if CCP ever got to release Legion on the ps4 and xbox one) would hold CCP back from achieving that original vision which is too much for me to explain in words so here : http://youtu.be/rKtYqWBR7h0 , http://youtu.be/aZ0k0ioROUo . The idea of an fps and Valkyrie entry into New Eden shouldn't be held back by a simple box. Im not sure if it is all a hardware issue tho. If you look at CCPs style in both Dust and Eve they seem to much prefer allowing the player base to quality check. Sony on the other hand, from what I have seen anyway, requires a drawn out process before publishing which really slows down the process. translation- CCP: just goes with the flow and releases everything at once for the players to get angry over and be happy over and does adjustments accordingly. Sony: requires the updates to be finished, polished and well done to the point where there are no visible bugs for anyone to get pissed off at before it gets released. did I get that right? (Compares notes) Looks like we both have the same understanding I don't see whats wrong with sony's method yet I see countless errors with CCPs method. Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.

Void Echo Total Extinction 2754	Posted - 2015.01.01 02:40:00 - [11] - Quote Honestly, iv completely given up on CCP. When I get a stable desktop im not going to eve il be in star citizen and elite: dangerous. If they were yo bring legion to ps4 or upgrade dust to that platform, il reconsider going back to their lying asses. Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2764	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:30:00 - [12] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Void Echo wrote: Honestly, iv completely given up on CCP. When I get a stable desktop im not going to eve il be in star citizen and elite: dangerous. If they were yo bring legion to ps4 or upgrade dust to that platform, il reconsider going back to their lying asses. So let me get this right, you are putting all your faith into vaporware that has not manifested much, past a 11 year game that have given lots? Well your money i guess Im wiling to put my faith into companies that know what the **** their doing. Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2764	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:35:00 - [13] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: No, because: - Consoles delay content due to need of approval from console manufacturers. Don't give a , its better that its delayed so that there are no errors on the released product - Consoles are inferior hardware compared to even a budget $400 PC. Don't give a **, consoles will be cheaper than PCs allowing for a wider consumer base, I don't want to buy a $600 desktop only to continuously have to purchase more hardware to be up to speed ultimately adding up to thousands of dollars in a single year - TVs are inferior gaming displays. This makes no sense, monitors and T.Vs are the same. only difference is that monitors are for computers. - If you want to play on a PC with a controller, it is possible. But nobody I know will be on PC, no point** Closed Beta Vet. Until you know the pain I live with, you'll never understand why I see man the way I do.

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