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da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 948	Posted - 2014.10.27 14:39:00 - [1] - Quote Now IF IF Legions development gets past all the IFS and BS that CCP can put in the way and gets released on the PC should it eventually come to the ps4? I switched to PC gaming not too long ago and I'm enjoying it, especially with all these sales on Steam. I spent plenty of time playing Dust 514 before fanfest this year. I don't play Dust much anymore and I sold all my games that I had for the ps3, only reason I keep my ps3 is for Dust 514. I have no problem with consoles but we know that eventually PC gaming and streaming devices are the future. Legion looked great on the PC at Fanfest, but how far can they get with the ps4 hardware? Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 948	Posted - 2014.10.28 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote Kincate wrote: SuperMido wrote: No it should not, and here is why; The PS4 in my opinion is not even powerful enough to do what CCP has in mind. I'm judging this based on the concept of what Dust 514 was supposed to be. Also, don't forget that Legion when it happens, its not going to be a one time release, we're talking a game that will be around for years to come, and the PS4 will simply get old, and will not be able to handle constant updates. You know if Dust/Legion were to be the kinda game that is once released this is it, or if it was not set INSIDE of the Eve universe. I would say fine, just port it to the PS4 and let more people enjoy it. But in this case, its not, and moving over to console will just ruin the experience and the possibilities in the future. Btw, I'm no hater of consoles, I've a PS4 myself, and I enjoy playing with friends on it. Agreed, I can't speak to the graphic power and that is not as much of an issue to me personally but add to all of that the limitations Dust has had to deal with because of the PSN. Ahh yes the PSN issues I've only heard bits of that problem like CCP having to get Sony permission to release patches by having Sony go over it which takes time and they have to pay Sony to get a patch out. I'm not sure anyways if that's true so if u could explain what the problems with the PSN are? Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 948	Posted - 2014.10.28 13:11:00 - [3] - Quote Meee One wrote: It would be wise to. Currently ps4 users are starved for good games. For example:after playing Blacklight retribution on the ps4,i kept coming back to Dust 514 on the ps3. It feels more full,and not just a hollow shell like retribution did. Currently ps4 has several F2P titles: -DCUO (super heros) -War thunder (realistic war vehicles) -Blacklight retribution (generic TDM game) -War frame (an ugly team game) And that's it... Most people playing those games are only doing so because they have no other options. If Dust were to transfer to ps4 while it's still relatively new,it would snatch many of those players away from their competition. Probably for keeps. And could gain a potentially ravenous following via the built in streaming available through ps4. Dust would generate a satisfaction through difficulty that those other games simply couldn't compete with. While that sounds like a good idea for Dust 514 this is about Legion not Dust 514. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 949	Posted - 2014.10.29 13:52:00 - [4] - Quote Meee One wrote: da GAND wrote: Meee One wrote: It would be wise to. Currently ps4 users are starved for good games. For example:after playing Blacklight retribution on the ps4,i kept coming back to Dust 514 on the ps3. It feels more full,and not just a hollow shell like retribution did. Currently ps4 has several F2P titles: -DCUO (super heros) -War thunder (realistic war vehicles) -Blacklight retribution (generic TDM game) -War frame (an ugly team game) And that's it... Most people playing those games are only doing so because they have no other options. If Dust were to transfer to ps4 while it's still relatively new,it would snatch many of those players away from their competition. Probably for keeps. And could gain a potentially ravenous following via the built in streaming available through ps4. Dust would generate a satisfaction through difficulty that those other games simply couldn't compete with. While that sounds like a good idea for Dust 514 this is about Legion not Dust 514. >legion is Dust 514 Lol wut? CCP has a contractual agreement with the name Dust 514 attached. Project legion is a name that has no such obligation,it's a legal work around. legion is Dust and Dust is legion,using semantics won't change the obvious. True they are the same idea with different names ( MMO-FPS Sandbox in New Eden and interactive with EVE players) but they are not going to be the same games. So when I say Dust 514 I'm talking about the lobby shooter that CCP has made on the ps3 that will stay as a lobby shooter and possibly port to the ps4. When I'm talking about Legion I'm talking about a game that's going or is suppose to be everything that Dust 514 was supposed to be but on PC.... and possibly ps4 but I'm kind of thinking it would be best development wise to stick with the PC. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 951	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote Isaa Quade wrote: Of course it should. The entire original point of Dust was to expand the EVE universe to people who where either incapable of playing EVE, or where fascinated by it but not particularly interested in playing it. Making Legion on the PC is exactly antithetical to that original goal, and will end up failing miserably. I agree the point was to expand the EVE universe but that doesn't mean it has to be on a certain platform to expand it. It'll still expand even if it's only on the PC. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 951	Posted - 2014.10.31 21:14:00 - [6] - Quote Meee One wrote: da GAND wrote: Meee One wrote: da GAND wrote: Meee One wrote: It would be wise to. Currently ps4 users are starved for good games. For example:after playing Blacklight retribution on the ps4,i kept coming back to Dust 514 on the ps3. It feels more full,and not just a hollow shell like retribution did. Currently ps4 has several F2P titles: -DCUO (super heros) -War thunder (realistic war vehicles) -Blacklight retribution (generic TDM game) -War frame (an ugly team game) And that's it... Most people playing those games are only doing so because they have no other options. If Dust were to transfer to ps4 while it's still relatively new,it would snatch many of those players away from their competition. Probably for keeps. And could gain a potentially ravenous following via the built in streaming available through ps4. Dust would generate a satisfaction through difficulty that those other games simply couldn't compete with. While that sounds like a good idea for Dust 514 this is about Legion not Dust 514. >legion is Dust 514 Lol wut? CCP has a contractual agreement with the name Dust 514 attached. Project legion is a name that has no such obligation,it's a legal work around. legion is Dust and Dust is legion,using semantics won't change the obvious. True they are the same idea with different names ( MMO-FPS Sandbox in New Eden and interactive with EVE players) but they are not going to be the same games. So when I say Dust 514 I'm talking about the lobby shooter that CCP has made on the ps3 that will stay as a lobby shooter and possibly port to the ps4. When I'm talking about Legion I'm talking about a game that's going or is suppose to be everything that Dust 514 was supposed to be but on PC.... and possibly ps4 but I'm kind of thinking it would be best development wise to stick with the PC. Well,the main problem with sticking to PC i that they'll be double dipping their chip. This F2P game could potentially draw players away from EVE,new or old. CCP will then have 2 products that are in direct competition with each other. Effectively halving possible monitary gains. By it being on another platform it prevents this and attracts new players (that have never heard of EVE or CCP,such as myself) PC eliteism could destroy CCP,saying only so many can have access. While putting it on consoles they can advertise for EVE,like Dust has,and get new subscribers,like Dust has given. It might be inconvenient to the 'pc master race' but it seems to be the best way to make more money. EVE players aren't just gonna drop EVE for Legion, they'll be playing both EVE and Legion ( depending on the EVE player). EVE players have spent plenty of time and money on EVE, Legion will just be another way to play in New Eden that they may play at the same time. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 952	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:45:00 - [7] - Quote Void Echo wrote: They should port it to ps4 if they are able to, at the moment with no good fps games (destiny and cod aside) Dust 514 or "Legion" could potentially double CCP's revenue for profit by extending it to another platform, however, ever since they bulled their own "xbone" blunder when announcing legion, it would be hard to convince players on console to actually trust CCP still after what they did. By alienating a certain platform or demographic, every company either gaming or non has always found themselves without funding and essentially hated to the point where they often apologize and eventually allow more people to use their products which in turn gives them more money. if legion were to go on ps4, it would be one of the best decisions CCP has ever made, regardless of the "PC Elitists" dogma and mindset. It would potentially increase EVE Online's playerbase ten fold by introducing it to the console market seriously this time increasing CCP's revenue from EVE Online itself, after all, before Dust 514 ever came out, no console player had ever even heard of EVE Online. If you want to keep EVE Online the way it is with less than half the playerbase of every individual COD game or even WoW then go ahead and keep it for PC only, just don't complain when nobody will play with you because its only for your kind. Again it's not about PC elitists, it's about Legions development not being held back mostly by hardware limitations because there is a limit to how much one would spend to upgrade their PC. Sure it would be smart to get it out on the ps4 for more $$ but the game will survive on the PC. As long as people don't just see it as another f2p shooter on the PC. Dust should've been on the PC in the first place, Dust would've been so much further than it is now. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 952	Posted - 2014.11.04 13:55:00 - [8] - Quote Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: They should port it to ps4 if they are able to, at the moment with no good fps games (destiny and cod aside) Dust 514 or "Legion" could potentially double CCP's revenue for profit by extending it to another platform, however, ever since they bulled their own "xbone" blunder when announcing legion, it would be hard to convince players on console to actually trust CCP still after what they did. By alienating a certain platform or demographic, every company either gaming or non has always found themselves without funding and essentially hated to the point where they often apologize and eventually allow more people to use their products which in turn gives them more money. if legion were to go on ps4, it would be one of the best decisions CCP has ever made, regardless of the "PC Elitists" dogma and mindset. It would potentially increase EVE Online's playerbase ten fold by introducing it to the console market seriously this time increasing CCP's revenue from EVE Online itself, after all, before Dust 514 ever came out, no console player had ever even heard of EVE Online. If you want to keep EVE Online the way it is with less than half the playerbase of every individual COD game or even WoW then go ahead and keep it for PC only, just don't complain when nobody will play with you because its only for your kind. Again it's not about PC elitists, it's about Legions development not being held back mostly by hardware limitations of the current consoles. Sure it would be smart to get it out on the ps4 for more $$ but the game will survive on the PC. As long as people don't just see it as another f2p shooter on the PC. Dust should've been on the PC in the first place, Dust would've been so much further than it is now. you do realize that its CCPs own fault for ignoring the coming close of the ps3 generation right? but to say that the ps4 will limit legion is outright bs, its fairly close to being an mobile computer (the only difference is that you cant change parts without voiding the warranty). that mindset is also why gamers view you as "PC Elitists", if people truly cared about limitations on hardware and cost efficiency, then consoles would have ceased to exist 10 years ago when the pc market boomed, people hate when something it kept from them simply because they don't have the right thing to make it work PERFECTLY, millions of people spend thousands of dollars a month on consoles and console games, and your telling me that they are all concerned about hardware limitations? get a dose of reality and see that your PC world isn't the only world that exists. Wtf are u talking about? I didn't say everyone was worrying about hardware limitations, I said people here that want Legion on PC only are mostly worried about hardware limitations for Legions development. People choose consoles for simplicity and that's fine cuz they just want to play a video game with their tv and controller that came with the console. I have no problem with console only people. Games on console are fine but when it comes to a game like Legion which is gonna be everything dust was supposed to be then it doesn't matter to me how much $$ CCP could make if they get held back by the ps4 and sony. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 953	Posted - 2014.11.08 02:52:00 - [9] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: yes, months ago before legion was even announced i said ccp would start over on a new platform and fire shanghai. i was right about starting over on a new platform, though i meant ps4 at the time and i still believe it should. shooters belong on consoles, eve belongs on pcs. keyboard and mouse sucks for shooters. mwahahahaha dude your comment reminded me of this funny gif i saw a few days ago, shooters don't belong on a specific platform. Keyboard and mouse suck for you when you try to play shooters with them, fps/shooters are fine on PC. Supporter of EVE LEGION
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 953	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:17:00 - [10] - Quote Gareth Verenar wrote: da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: They should port it to ps4 if they are able to, at the moment with no good fps games (destiny and cod aside) Dust 514 or "Legion" could potentially double CCP's revenue for profit by extending it to another platform, however, ever since they bulled their own "xbone" blunder when announcing legion, it would be hard to convince players on console to actually trust CCP still after what they did. By alienating a certain platform or demographic, every company either gaming or non has always found themselves without funding and essentially hated to the point where they often apologize and eventually allow more people to use their products which in turn gives them more money. if legion were to go on ps4, it would be one of the best decisions CCP has ever made, regardless of the "PC Elitists" dogma and mindset. It would potentially increase EVE Online's playerbase ten fold by introducing it to the console market seriously this time increasing CCP's revenue from EVE Online itself, after all, before Dust 514 ever came out, no console player had ever even heard of EVE Online. If you want to keep EVE Online the way it is with less than half the playerbase of every individual COD game or even WoW then go ahead and keep it for PC only, just don't complain when nobody will play with you because its only for your kind. Again it's not about PC elitists, it's about Legions development not being held back mostly by hardware limitations of the current consoles. Sure it would be smart to get it out on the ps4 for more $$ but the game will survive on the PC. As long as people don't just see it as another f2p shooter on the PC. Dust should've been on the PC in the first place, Dust would've been so much further than it is now. You mean the hardware limitations that are still in place due to having to be optimized for lower-midrange spec PCs that are equal to, slightly better, and/or slightly worse than PS4 spec-wise? Meanwhile the PS4 has less background processes and a smaller-footprint OS that would otherwise drag performance down? Let's not kid ourselves, there is no real hardware limitation on PS4 that isn't already a limitation on certain mid-range PC builds (some of which are worse than PS4), and those will be compensated for anyway. The ps4 hardware isn't horrible and ya it can equal or surpass a low to mid gaming pc by a bit but that's where it's stuck at forever. Ya they'll be able to do tweaks to it with software updates but that's it. Now I am not saying that the ps4 won't be able to run what we saw at fanfest with stuff we have in dust (connectiong to eve, weapons, vehicles) but improved because I'm sure it will. Plus they are also using the same engine which is supposedly a heavily modified unreal 3 engine. But how far can they go? Will we be able to have huge battles with huge and open maps, like 64 vs 64 or possibly more? Walk around in stations with EVE players? Be able to travel around on a planet outside of combat? I'm not sure what CCP is able to do when it comes to achieving that original vision they had with dust when working with the ps4 hardware but it's stuck with the hardware it's got and at some point they would be stuck because of the ps4 hardware while hardware for PC's keep on improving yearly or a little less than a year. Supporter of EVE LEGION

da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 962	Posted - 2014.11.11 19:57:00 - [11] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Long term it would be beneficial for CCP to expand to another platform and group of people. Short term, it makes sense for them to stick with PC becuase they are better at that (PS3 is notoriously hard to program for) and can't take the chance of failing again. But don't waste anyone's time with the argument about "hardware limitations". The lack of power is not what held this game back. Take Destiny. For all it's flaws it handles large numbers of simultaneous players from different regions, even while they are doing different PvE missions, crossing paths in the same maps/environments, and somehow manages to not lag and have working hit detection. Sorcery! It was shoddy programming, pure and simple. If you want to blame the vagaries of the cell processor, that's fair, but it's not because the PS3 is "weak", and the argument also does not apply to the PS4 with it's more conventional architecture. More importantly, if you put Dust on a top of the line gaming PC, that PC is not going to automatically balance the game. It won't prevent cloaked shotty scouts from being OP, nor will it introduce Amarr HAV's or Gallente heavy weapons. Only CCP can do that. I don't believe that CCP can reach that vision they had with Dust 514 on the ps3, they might with the ps4 however it will get stuck at a certain point until the next console generation ( if there even is one) . And obviously putting Dust on the PC isn't going to automatically solve every problem, CCP has to put the work in to balance the game and get it to where it would be right now if it was on PC only in the first place. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 962	Posted - 2014.11.11 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: da GAND wrote: I don't believe that CCP can reach that vision they had with Dust 514 on the ps3. Of course they can't, which is why it's mindboggling they didn't have the PS4 in mind from the get go and just treated the PS3 version as a beta. Ya ik everyone had the ps4 in mind, but PC development will go much faster and maybe from their perspective if they can get more progress done on the PC than they would if they were to develop for the ps4 they can get the game to where it should've been by now and get a ps4 port going with all the progress that's been made. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 962	Posted - 2014.11.12 00:23:00 - [13] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Wow, this thread, arguing over PC or PS4 for legion, is it officially in development? Or are you arguing over pure speculation based on "if" still. What are the specs on system requirements for this game? You probably don't know cause they DON"T EXIST!!!!! Stop arguing over something that probably won't happen... All we can do is speculate about what may happen with Legion, and I don't see a problem with talking about this. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 971	Posted - 2014.11.12 06:09:00 - [14] - Quote @ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 971	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:18:00 - [15] - Quote Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: @ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match. not what I heard, but regardless, do you really believe that its because of hardware and not developer incompetence? Well I got bf4 for the ps3 and 32 per match was the limit. Seems to me it's both the hardware and the lack of experience of the developers programming for the ps3 Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 990	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:24:00 - [16] - Quote Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: Void Echo wrote: da GAND wrote: @ voidecho. What are u talking about? On the ps3 there was only 32 players max in each match. On the ps4 64 players were able to be in a match. not what I heard, but regardless, do you really believe that its because of hardware and not developer incompetence? Well I got bf4 for the ps3 and 32 per match was the limit. Seems to me it's both the hardware and the lack of experience of the developers programming for the ps3 actually its laziness, theres an article somewhere on one of the gaming news sites (forgot where, haven't checked in 3 years) that said most companies that get contracts with both sony and Microsoft for the games to be released on both platforms don't want to take the time it takes to make something look good on ps3 when itl only take 5 months on xbox, ps3 hardware more advanced, but developers are lazy as **. Laziness or maybe newer devs just aren't trained to be working on consoles but have an idea of how to do it? I'm not sure but anyways the hardware is still and always will be an issue. Being stuck with this one box that will only improve software wise and devs having to go through the company that owns the software on that box really seems like too much to deal with. Should Legion be on the ps4?**
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 991	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:29:00 - [17] - Quote @ voidecho Well even if they aren't as trained on how to exactly get games working on consoles they might have an idea and it might not take long on learning how to get it set over for a console. But anyways that part is all speculation to me. But the second part in my previous response where I said being stuck with a box that hardly improves over time and having to go through the company that designed and sold it is still a big issue to me. CCP has had to go through Sony just to update Dust which costs them time and supposedly money. It'd probably be much more time and money just to have Legion on both PC and ps4. Now they may or may not have to go through much with PC, with EVE they have a client for people to download from their website. Downloading from Steam is optional but not required to play EVE, only reason I can see people downloading EVE from Steam is if they use Steam for all their games. When it comes down to hardware they have nearly no limit, only limit is how much a PC gamer will spend to upgrade to Play Legion. Look at Star Citizen, the group that's developing that game is gonna make nearly everyone upgrade their rig because of how massive the game is gonna be. They are only making it for PC because of exactly what I said they aren't being held back by the hardware setup by some company in a box that won't improve much. http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/cloud-imperium-on-star-citizen-mods-pc-exclusivity-graphical-features-directx12-multi-core-cpus/. Read the second paragraph of what the interviewee said. There isn't much more else I can or need to add to this response but here is one last thing and this is my opinion. Consoles are bought by those who want gaming simple, so keep it simple for them. Games like Legion and Star Citizen aren't simple games so give those games to those who don't mind compilation added to their gaming experience(PC gamers). Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 991	Posted - 2014.11.24 14:27:00 - [18] - Quote McFurious wrote: Quote: Should Legion come to the ps4 also? Nah. Then we'll have to listen to them *** about getting rekt by mouse users and they'll want to gimp the KBM all over again so their potato thumbsticks have a chance. Seriously, peasants, you have plenty of time before this game ever comes out. Get a job, save your pennies, build a reasonably priced PC. It's not that hard and it's very worth it. I'd prefer to call them simpler gamers instead of peasants lol, but you're right it isn't that hard to figure out how to build a PC and even though it will most likely cost more than a ps4 it's worth it. Should Legion be on the ps4?**
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 991	Posted - 2014.11.24 20:30:00 - [19] - Quote lateriss wrote: It looks great on the PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFOepBdTgx0 yes I did say that on my first post, and it'll definitely look better in the future if it stays on the PC Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 991	Posted - 2014.11.24 21:26:00 - [20] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: TL;DR so if this was said i appoligise for repeating No. That all.. jk The reason why i say no, is that i think CCP an into some roadblocks trying to merge dust and eve together. Its one of these things that you can only gain from experence, and if you don;t try you can;t see it. Also i have heard that Sony was a pita when it came to patches. And, honestly, if Legion and EvE are both on pc, and under ccp's complete control, then the 6 week release cycle that eve has can easily be ported to legion and you would have vibrant and fast updates for legion at the same time that you do for eve. Now add in the fact that valk is on pc.. then you can see that doing everything on pc, maybe with it all on TQ would make managment and patching and eventually combining of all things, so much easier in the long run. You also kill a middle man, who might say 'you know CCP, we don;t want you to have the abilty to do this because we really don;t want to allow non PS users access to this." or whatever So again.. no I don't think that has been mentioned here but in other areas of the forums awhile ago. I agree with what you said cuz it makes sense, they don't have to go through Sony and any middle man that would delay CCP updating Legion or prevent certain things from being in the game cuz of bs excuses. Should Legion be on the ps4?

da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 995	Posted - 2014.11.25 14:28:00 - [21] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: da GAND wrote: @ voidecho Well even if they aren't as trained on how to exactly get games working on consoles they might have an idea and it might not take long on learning how to get it set over for a console. But anyways that part is all speculation to me. But the second part in my previous response where I said being stuck with a box that hardly improves over time and having to go through the company that designed and sold it is still a big issue to me. CCP has had to go through Sony just to update Dust which costs them time and supposedly money. It'd probably be much more time and money just to have Legion on both PC and ps4. Now they may or may not have to go through much with PC, with EVE they have a client for people to download from their website. Downloading from Steam is optional but not required to play EVE, only reason I can see people downloading EVE from Steam is if they use Steam for all their games. When it comes down to hardware they have nearly no limit, only limit is how much a PC gamer will spend to upgrade to Play Legion. Look at Star Citizen, the group that's developing that game is gonna make nearly everyone upgrade their rig because of how massive the game is gonna be. They are only making it for PC because of exactly what I said they aren't being held back by the hardware setup by some company in a box that won't improve much. http://www.dsogaming.com/interviews/cloud-imperium-on-star-citizen-mods-pc-exclusivity-graphical-features-directx12-multi-core-cpus/. Read the second paragraph of what the interviewee said. There isn't much more else I can or need to add to this response but here is one last thing and this is my opinion. Consoles are bought by those who want gaming simple, so keep it simple for them. Games like Legion and Star Citizen aren't simple games so give those games to those who don't mind compilation added to their gaming experience(PC gamers). You don't even know how Legion is going to exactly play out in terms of gameplay mechanics or features . So calling it a simple or complex game doesn't mean much . For all you know CCP will make these game run of low end hardware . CCP basically saying it the Legion supposedly going to be a "sandbox game" without saying how much it will actually be one and we or CCP does not even know if it will ship as one. There as not been a really large scale sandbox FPS nearly all of them has forms of instances or a low maximum amount of players. Star citizen is no expectation. Which is a different issue, since that game focus heavily on graphics fidelity, attention to detail, textures like every ship having a very detailed interior that is streamless to transition to, and very high levels of immersion . True I don't know what the hardware requirements will be for Legion but if gets put on the ps4 all CCP will be able to do is optimize the ** out of it. And then their is Sony which is supposedly hard to deal with, I don't know anything about how CCP dealt with Sony when it came to updating Dust514 but the only thing I've heard is bad stuff. Now wilI Legion be as complicated for new players as Dust was for new players? I hope so, I don't mean CCP not providing an actual tutorial but I mean people that are new to seeing so many options in a shooter. The things from EVE mattering to players such as space security lvs ( low sec, high sec, null sec and wormhole space) and all the affects of there being a certain amount or no security that Legion players may or may not need to worry about all the time. Keeping stock of their fits via the market or maybe never buying anything off the market and just using anything they salvage? Getting transport to certain areas that doesn't have a warbarge that you can't clone jump to like you would for public contracts and maybe getting killed along the way cuz the EVE pilot transporting you didn't know what he was getting into lol. And obviously more things but I'm in a rush here but I'm sure you can figure out the rest from here. I'll be back in a few hours lol. I used Star Citizen as an example of what I meant of devs not being held back by the hardware that's been set in a console for its life cycle. Should Legion be on the ps4?**
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1005	Posted - 2014.11.27 05:39:00 - [22] - Quote Void Echo wrote: point being simple from the pc elitists "hardware limitations", our point being simple "we don't give a **, CCP will make much more money by going onto console at the same time, especially since there are no big hits for the next gen consoles yet, so this would give ccp a massive head start at profits if they go to ps4". saying that console gamers should quit whining and buy a pc is just **** and ignorant, your kind are the reason pc elitists are so hated. why don't you just buy a *** controller so you don't have to complain about your kb/m not being supported well enough on a console game? double standard. if CCP never releases it for the ps4, they should also take Valkyrie with them. Lolz you can use nearly any type of controller that you want on a PC and yes that includes the controllers for the ps3, xbox 360, ps4 and xbox one. I started with a controller when I started playing Dust but now I use keyboard and mouse, something does feel a bit wrong keyboard and mouse but it's not so bad for me to complain about it. I'm not telling you to suck it up and build or buy a pre-built PC ( recommend you build it), what I've been saying is its best for the game development wise to be on the PC only because of less barriers that they have to go through. I haven't called you guys peasants at all yet you keep going with this whole PC elitist thing. One thing I only agree with you is that CCP would most likely make a lot of $$ if they put it on the ps4 also. Other then that though there really aren't any other good reasons to put Legion on the ps4 or any other console. Should Legion be on the ps4?**
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1008	Posted - 2014.11.28 16:19:00 - [23] - Quote Helghus Resther wrote: If the PS4 is supposedly capable of running PlanetSide 2 at Ultra settings, 40 FPS-lock, I think it would be fine with Legion. System capability isn't the problem here. Console longevity is often pointed out as a problem, but let's be realistic. Each console will have a 6 to 8 year lifespan, and there is still a large player base on the PS3. So I think I may be missing something, but the only other problem I'm seeing is difficulties with Sony when updating the game, and things like that. If they do, which I hope they do, have a console release for Dust/Legion, I promise I'll play that instead of Planetside 2. Most of the time. Hmmmm looks like they had some trouble getting PlanetSide 2 ps4 version to be exactly like the PC version http://airherald.com/planetside-2-ps4-beta-on-schedule-for-december-despite-console-hardware-limitations/17538/ Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 1029	Posted - 2014.12.05 04:10:00 - [24] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: da GAND wrote: Now IF IF Legions development gets past all the IFS and BS that CCP can put in the way and gets released on the PC should it eventually come to the ps4? I switched to PC gaming not too long ago and I'm enjoying it, especially with all these sales on Steam. I spent plenty of time playing Dust 514 before fanfest this year. I don't play Dust much anymore and I sold all my games that I had for the ps3, only reason I keep my ps3 is for Dust 514. I have no problem with consoles but we know that eventually PC gaming and streaming devices are the future. Legion looked great on the PC at Fanfest, but how far can they get with the ps4 hardware? Legion will never be released. DUST 514 should go to PS4 instead. Because it's a real game, and not bullshit. Never going to happen. CCP, I'm sure, is none to thrilled to deal with Sony further. Well never say never lol, it's a possibility but still a foolish choice to me if CCP chose to have Legion on the ps4 also. Was going through Sony that bad for CCP? lol I've seen it being mentioned a little bit here and there plus I can also understand Sony putting limits and certain demands for CCP having a game on their hardware and network being connected to CCPs Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1033	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:03:00 - [25] - Quote McFurious wrote: Void Echo wrote: point being simple from the pc elitists "hardware limitations", our point being simple "we don't give a **, CCP will make much more money by going onto console at the same time, especially since there are no big hits for the next gen consoles yet, so this would give ccp a massive head start at profits if they go to ps4". saying that console gamers should quit whining and buy a pc is just **** and ignorant, your kind are the reason pc elitists are so hated. why don't you just buy a *** controller so you don't have to complain about your kb/m not being supported well enough on a console game? double standard. if CCP never releases it for the ps4, they should also take Valkyrie with them. This is what I'm talking about. But I'm not going to give you any more crap about it. Come to the PC realm, my simple gaming friend. You can bring your controller with you. It's everything your favorite console is plus TONS more. Exactly that's the best thing about PC gaming, you can make however you want and game however you want. It's your Rig, your platform. Should Legion be on the ps4?**
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1068	Posted - 2014.12.19 15:56:00 - [26] - Quote Bam Nutshot wrote: Pc elitist is a reason ill never join Pc masterace....don't wan't to be in the hated crowd U fear being hated if u told your friends and fellow console/simple gamers that you have become a PC gamer? Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1070	Posted - 2014.12.21 21:27:00 - [27] - Quote McFurious wrote: Bam Nutshot wrote: Pc elitist is a reason ill never join Pc masterace....don't wan't to be in the hated crowd What you will be missing. Looking forward to seeing more of that fps mode for star citizen Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1070	Posted - 2014.12.22 03:55:00 - [28] - Quote Ama Zarek wrote: End PS3. No PS4. Just PC. SONY has so many huge issues its not worth it anymore. Maybe the PS3 plattform could be saved - but just at a minimal. I do not have the figures but they are supposed to be a huge burden and it should be impossible to keep up a PC and a PSN plattform. Pure PC. I agree working on the ps3 version is alright as long as the data they gather from these updates and hotfixes will be used to improve things they have set for Legion. And getting a PC and Ps4 version running is possible but too much time and money. They've already wasted enough time and money getting Dust 514 to where it is now since they couldn't get the carbon engine with all the progress they made to work without setting a few ps3's on fire. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1085	Posted - 2014.12.29 03:39:00 - [29] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: I think it has been proven that CCP does not work well within the restrictions of consoles. Their development style does not fit well with Sony's rules for updates. Look at planetside 2. Sony has been running it for years now on PC and has continuously pushed back the PS4 launch. I think this really says a lot about the issues presented when comparing PC to console when even Sony them self has so much trouble. Agreed, I also believe that the consoles (if CCP ever got to release Legion on the ps4 and xbox one) would hold CCP back from achieving that original vision which is too much for me to explain in words so here : http://youtu.be/rKtYqWBR7h0 , http://youtu.be/aZ0k0ioROUo . The idea of an fps and Valkyrie entry into New Eden shouldn't be held back by a simple box. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1086	Posted - 2014.12.29 04:13:00 - [30] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: da GAND wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I think it has been proven that CCP does not work well within the restrictions of consoles. Their development style does not fit well with Sony's rules for updates. Look at planetside 2. Sony has been running it for years now on PC and has continuously pushed back the PS4 launch. I think this really says a lot about the issues presented when comparing PC to console when even Sony them self has so much trouble. Agreed, I also believe that the consoles (if CCP ever got to release Legion on the ps4 and xbox one) would hold CCP back from achieving that original vision which is too much for me to explain in words so here : http://youtu.be/rKtYqWBR7h0 , http://youtu.be/aZ0k0ioROUo . The idea of an fps and Valkyrie entry into New Eden shouldn't be held back by a simple box. Im not sure if it is all a hardware issue tho. If you look at CCPs style in both Dust and Eve they seem to much prefer allowing the player base to quality check. Sony on the other hand, from what I have seen anyway, requires a drawn out process before publishing which really slows down the process. Well yes of course it isn't completely a hardware issue but I'd say it's mostly that. Should Legion be on the ps4?

da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1090	Posted - 2014.12.31 05:23:00 - [31] - Quote Void Echo wrote: deezy dabest wrote: da GAND wrote: deezy dabest wrote: I think it has been proven that CCP does not work well within the restrictions of consoles. Their development style does not fit well with Sony's rules for updates. Look at planetside 2. Sony has been running it for years now on PC and has continuously pushed back the PS4 launch. I think this really says a lot about the issues presented when comparing PC to console when even Sony them self has so much trouble. Agreed, I also believe that the consoles (if CCP ever got to release Legion on the ps4 and xbox one) would hold CCP back from achieving that original vision which is too much for me to explain in words so here : http://youtu.be/rKtYqWBR7h0 , http://youtu.be/aZ0k0ioROUo . The idea of an fps and Valkyrie entry into New Eden shouldn't be held back by a simple box. Im not sure if it is all a hardware issue tho. If you look at CCPs style in both Dust and Eve they seem to much prefer allowing the player base to quality check. Sony on the other hand, from what I have seen anyway, requires a drawn out process before publishing which really slows down the process. translation- CCP: just goes with the flow and releases everything at once for the players to get angry over and be happy over and does adjustments accordingly. Sony: requires the updates to be finished, polished and well done to the point where there are no visible bugs for anyone to get pissed off at before it gets released. did I get that right? (Compares notes) Looks like we both have the same understanding Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1090	Posted - 2014.12.31 06:16:00 - [32] - Quote Ya I suppose it's just too restricting for CCP though but their also are for sure other interests invested in Sony (middlemen) which will slow things down. Certain people want this amount of $$ for a certain update or release. Now if CCP were to be able to actually fix things really soon after bugs have been found after a new release I would have no problem with the way they do things. But that's not how it goes of course, it's been a pretty bad experience with CCP trying to get this fps gateway(Dust514 now Legion) into New Eden to what they originally had visioned. If they only had gone with PC....... Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1092	Posted - 2015.01.05 00:58:00 - [33] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Void Echo wrote: Honestly, iv completely given up on CCP. When I get a stable desktop im not going to eve il be in star citizen and elite: dangerous. If they were yo bring legion to ps4 or upgrade dust to that platform, il reconsider going back to their lying asses. So let me get this right, you are putting all your faith into vaporware that has not manifested much, past a 11 year game that have given lots? Well your money i guess I honestly can't hate on his decision to invest into something that's being developed more openly plus CCPs past choices like the one that caused those protests for one of those expansions (Incarna? not sure which one it was) ,their decision to put the idea of Dust514 on the ps3, their decision to announce at Fanfest that they were giving up on dust and remaking the idea of an fps in new eden on the pc when most of their community were console only. And now their silence on Legions development if it's even being developed. With these updates for Dust bringing more doubt for Legions existence. Should Legion be on the ps4?
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1099	Posted - 2015.01.10 05:27:00 - [34] - Quote lateriss wrote: Lets get Project Legion first. Won't be called Project Legion once it's out there IF it gets released. Should Legion be on the ps4?

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