DUST Search - Concerning Pilot Suits !

Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote:

Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:

Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Banjo Robertson wrote:

Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting!

CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle.

This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle.

That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"?

Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above.

perhaps the pilot suit is going to be CCPs way of 'locking' the drivers seat of vehicles? you can only enter the pilot seat while wearing a pilot suit, and obvs you'd have to be wearing the correct pilot suit for the ship. ensure a minmatar pilot suit doesn't give a bonus to a gallente HAV. but you can still drive the vehicle. just allow LAVs to be driven by players wearign any suit.

So all my Militia tanks and dropships would be useless?

I think this will also balance the Militia Tanks as well ! usually 5/10 times you will get killed by someone using a Militia tank with a Proto Large Turret, and even if you kill the damn tank, you know that F@cker is going to hop out with a proto forge and take you out.

I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

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Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 193	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:11:00 - [1] - Quote Will they honestly ever be coming ? Given the fact of : A) They are probably one of the easiest suits to make, a scout suit with only a sidearm and bonuses affecting things such as RoF, Cool-down Time, Maneuverability. and B) You honestly almost never survive when your ADS goes down, due to getting crushed in Mid-air. If they do come, would you make it to where you can only operate a vehicle with a Pilot suit ? Exception being an LAV. I think most of you would agree a Heavy or Tanked out Forger popping out of a tank or ADS is a no-no ? \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
CoochMaster Flex Contract Hunters 17	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:17:00 - [2] - Quote Give this man a medal! Give the tankers a little love with the pilot suits! It's not about how much sheild and armor you stack to win. It's how you use the suit to win.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 194	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:28:00 - [3] - Quote Note ! You forum warriors I am not stating that every suit is easy to make ! Compare it to the other suits and it is the easiest ! \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2188	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:34:00 - [4] - Quote While this is an incredibly rude thing to do, I am going to copy and paste my response on this one rather than type it out again. Please do not be insulted by this as I do feel that this is an important topic of discussion: At it's core, the Pilot Suit seems like a good idea. "It lets me use my SP to further define my role. Joe, you are a dedicated Tanker; why would you think it is a bad idea?" The main reason is because of balance and fairness. CCP has an idea where game balance should be, or at least I bloody well hope they do. "Repair modules are letting people repair damage too quickly; let's lower them a bit." The problem with the Pilot Suit is that a few scenarios are likely to take place: Scenario 1: Vehicles are balanced around having them. This means that without them they fall behind compared to "what they are supposed to be able to do." With them, you are right where you are supposed to be. It ends up being an additional SP sink for those that want to be pilots. Scenario 2: Vehicles are balanced around not having them. This means that with them they likely pull ahead of "what they are supposed to be able to do." You will see a lot of things on the forums of "Tanks are too powerful!" all over again, in the droves that it once was. It ends up being a problem of balance. Scenario 3: Pilot suits give a very small benefit. The problem here is what benefit would be worth blowing several million SP into? That is a 3 way Venn diagram where you have to find some benefit that is not very important so they do not suffer too much without, small enough that vehicles are not too much with them, and big enough that spending points into is worthwhile. Going the simpler argument: "I am Tank and he is AV. AV puts points in Dropsuit, his Swarm Launcher, and Dropsuit Upgrades. His Dropsuit and Dropsuit Upgrades work in different roles other than AV but his Swarm Launcher is ONLY AV. I put points in Turret Operation, Vehicle Operation, and Vehicle Upgrades. Those points are only used in that role. Why would you want to add another thing, Pilot suit, to the list of things that I need to do my role and do not carry over?" "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 194	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:44:00 - [5] - Quote I'm only proposing this due to the amount of damn vehicles I kill, but the people hop out as Forgers. The bonuses can be anything really I can care less. Such as: For ADS: A) Maneuverability B) RoF Increase B) Cool-down Reduction C) Afterburner Bonuses For Tanks: A) Hardener Bonuses B) Shield Booster Bonuses C) Cool-down Bonuses D) Dispersion Decrease E) Cool-down Reduction \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 194	Posted - 2014.10.27 04:47:00 - [6] - Quote Also If and when they put in the Racial vehicles, this will add Racial Pilot suits. The only ones we could have now are Gallente & Caldari. I think it would be interesting to see Racial vehicles with Racial Pilot suits together & There would be no getting around this or exploits. \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1039	Posted - 2014.10.27 07:13:00 - [7] - Quote no. bonuses should go through the vehicles. thats like wanting a pod in eve to have bonuses for being inside of a ship. redundant. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
negative49er Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 572	Posted - 2014.10.27 10:17:00 - [8] - Quote One thing I want to say is what going to be the point of wearing a proto suit when the skill goes to all levels. Not to mention that your going to be in a vehicle and not on the ground. You can wear the basic and save risk will still getting the bonus Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
RemingtonBeaver Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1235	Posted - 2014.10.27 10:38:00 - [9] - Quote The suit should lock the pilot into the vehicle. You can exit but with a 10 second timer. You know, because you have to link the suit into the vehicle and disconnect it in the same manner. Hell give it a linking timer in and out. I'm all for a pilot suit.
La Lore Sleipnier THE PR0T0TYPE 149	Posted - 2014.10.27 11:01:00 - [10] - Quote So there are suits to make more effective modules and weapons but we not have the same for vehicules... Yes the game is balanced (sarcasm) Soy una hoja al viento a merced de los elementos... https://dust514.com/recruit/MfQjol/

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 536	Posted - 2014.10.27 11:17:00 - [11] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Will they honestly ever be coming ? Given the fact of : A) They are probably one of the easiest suits to make, a scout suit with only a sidearm and bonuses affecting things such as RoF, Cool-down Time, Maneuverability. and B) You honestly almost never survive when your ADS goes down, due to getting crushed in Mid-air. If they do come, would you make it to where you can only operate a vehicle with a Pilot suit ? Exception being an LAV. I think most of you would agree a Heavy or Tanked out Forger popping out of a tank or ADS is a no-no ? The double dipping scrubs will hate you for making so much dam* sense. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1297	Posted - 2014.10.27 13:07:00 - [12] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: I'm only proposing this due to the amount of damn vehicles I kill, but the people hop out as Forgers. The bonuses can be anything really I can care less. Such as: For ADS: A) Maneuverability B) RoF Increase B) Cool-down Reduction C) Afterburner Bonuses For Tanks: A) Hardener Bonuses B) Shield Booster Bonuses C) Cool-down Bonuses D) Dispersion Decrease E) Cool-down Reduction I thought all of these items come via the SP's invested in the vehicle skill tree ? More people trying to tell others how to play . Don't use AV while using vehicles . Don't use up links . Don't wear prototype in anything other then FW and PC . Don't JJ or kamikaze . Don't snipe unless your 100m from the action . I mean , who makes this $hit up and why must it apply ? Why are there these people who try to confine the dynamic of free thought and strategy in this game ? Edit : I forgot , don't strafe while shooting ... who can forget that one .?., I mean so many make post complaining about that . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 391	Posted - 2014.10.27 13:18:00 - [13] - Quote I actually believe this will be in upcoming time, there is still suit slot in market. And it can save pilots tears from last nerf (even i thing that nerf was fine). With possibilitios to synch suit with vehicles for better maneuverability or shield regen boost etc. Upcoming 1.9 seems like great oportunitz for CCP to final release of last suit what is missing. "Nanohives, repairs or droplinks, just ask me on field i can tink anything"
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 290	Posted - 2014.10.27 16:25:00 - [14] - Quote Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 212	Posted - 2014.10.27 16:41:00 - [15] - Quote Well since there would have to be 4 varients of them all and with all the other suits having attempted faction specific (Rail damage for Cal Commando ect.) buffs. What buffs would Minmatar, Amarr, Caldari and Gallente have? Theres always money in the banana stand.
Nirwanda Vaughns 863	Posted - 2014.10.27 16:46:00 - [16] - Quote to be honest i tink we'll have to wait before we get the other racial vehicles before we'd ever see the pilot suits. who knows CCP may suprise us and release the racial vehicles in 1.9. the models are pretty much all ready, they just needed to balance the HP, skill bonus ect to them. vehicles/AV are finally closing in on being balanced so it may be a reality sooner rather than later Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2204	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:01:00 - [17] - Quote Banjo Robertson wrote: Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle. That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"? Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Nirwanda Vaughns 863	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:18:00 - [18] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle. That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"? Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above. perhaps the pilot suit is going to be CCPs way of 'locking' the drivers seat of vehicles? you can only enter the pilot seat while wearing a pilot suit, and obvs you'd have to be wearing the correct pilot suit for the ship. ensure a minmatar pilot suit doesn't give a bonus to a gallente HAV. but you can still drive the vehicle. just allow LAVs to be driven by players wearign any suit. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 212	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:23:00 - [19] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle. That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"? Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above. perhaps the pilot suit is going to be CCPs way of 'locking' the drivers seat of vehicles? you can only enter the pilot seat while wearing a pilot suit, and obvs you'd have to be wearing the correct pilot suit for the ship. ensure a minmatar pilot suit doesn't give a bonus to a gallente HAV. but you can still drive the vehicle. just allow LAVs to be driven by players wearign any suit. So all my Militia tanks and dropships would be useless? Theres always money in the banana stand.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2210	Posted - 2014.10.27 18:50:00 - [20] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle. That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"? Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above. perhaps the pilot suit is going to be CCPs way of 'locking' the drivers seat of vehicles? you can only enter the pilot seat while wearing a pilot suit, and obvs you'd have to be wearing the correct pilot suit for the ship. ensure a minmatar pilot suit doesn't give a bonus to a gallente HAV. but you can still drive the vehicle. just allow LAVs to be driven by players wearign any suit. If you are giving a bonus, you are still falling into the 3 problems that I think are likely to happen. In this thread, I am really confused what the OP and others are asking for. The original post was along the lines of helping pilots out but it later comes out that he doesn't want the pilots jumping out with Forge Guns. If the concern is about people jumping out and running away or "ermergawd, he tots killed me with frog gun!", there are easier ways of suggesting change than bringing up an entirely new skill set that would be a complete nightmare to balance and to figure out the exact mechanics. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"

Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2014.10.29 05:37:00 - [21] - Quote I wouldn't even make it to a suit where you would get it to Proto due to it not being worth anything, maybe a cheap ISK proto. But I'd like to see it at ADV only or Basic. \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:03:00 - [22] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle. That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"? Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above. perhaps the pilot suit is going to be CCPs way of 'locking' the drivers seat of vehicles? you can only enter the pilot seat while wearing a pilot suit, and obvs you'd have to be wearing the correct pilot suit for the ship. ensure a minmatar pilot suit doesn't give a bonus to a gallente HAV. but you can still drive the vehicle. just allow LAVs to be driven by players wearign any suit. So all my Militia tanks and dropships would be useless? I think this will also balance the Militia Tanks as well ! usually 5/10 times you will get killed by someone using a Militia tank with a Proto Large Turret, and even if you kill the damn tank, you know that F@cker is going to hop out with a proto forge and take you out. \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4130	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:29:00 - [23] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: I wouldn't even make it to a suit where you would get it to Proto due to it not being worth anything, maybe a cheap ISK proto. But I'd like to see it at ADV only or Basic. It would make sense since there aren't any ADV or PRO vehicles available.
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:35:00 - [24] - Quote I literally get no input at all from any Dev, CPM, or GCM. I hope i get some kind of input for this. \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:30:00 - [25] - Quote Bump \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2278	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:45:00 - [26] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Will they honestly ever be coming ? Given the fact of : A) They are probably one of the easiest suits to make, a scout suit with only a sidearm and bonuses affecting things such as RoF, Cool-down Time, Maneuverability. and B) You honestly almost never survive when your ADS goes down, due to getting crushed in Mid-air. If they do come, would you make it to where you can only operate a vehicle with a Pilot suit ? Exception being an LAV. I think most of you would agree a Heavy or Tanked out Forger popping out of a tank or ADS is a no-no ? Shouldn't need a pilot suit for MLT vehicles. Maneuverability wouldn't work really. Rate of fire maybe, maybe even faster reload, maybe a reduction in heat buildup, maybe specifically something to reduce the railgun spool time. Maybe some small passive resistance to whatever its HP tank is. For Gallente, 3% passive resistance against explosive damage to armor per level. Or is that not fair, infantry? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2278	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:46:00 - [27] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Banjo Robertson wrote: Pilot suit would go well with, dropsuit modules that effect the vehicle you are piloting! CCP takes the current dropsuit core skills that unlock dropsuit modules, and adds in new modules in some of these categories that will be the pilot dropsuit modules which have a benefit to your vehicle. This way, players get a benefit from their dropsuit pilot skill being higher level, and using a proto pilot suit allows them to fit more modules which have a benefit to their vehicle. That is a nightmare waiting to happen for trying to figure out how the hell it works. CCP has had trouble saying "you can't drive this vehicle unless you have the skill" which is why it is only limited by fitting it and call it in. How do you think it will handle "Okay, he is in the tank with these skills, plus this suit, plus these modules"? Plus, you fall into the realm of problems I listed above. perhaps the pilot suit is going to be CCPs way of 'locking' the drivers seat of vehicles? you can only enter the pilot seat while wearing a pilot suit, and obvs you'd have to be wearing the correct pilot suit for the ship. ensure a minmatar pilot suit doesn't give a bonus to a gallente HAV. but you can still drive the vehicle. just allow LAVs to be driven by players wearign any suit. So all my Militia tanks and dropships would be useless? I think this will also balance the Militia Tanks as well ! usually 5/10 times you will get killed by someone using a Militia tank with a Proto Large Turret, and even if you kill the damn tank, you know that F@cker is going to hop out with a proto forge and take you out. It's hard enough to fit a STD hull with a PRO turret and mods, it's near impossible to fit a MLT hull with a PRO turret and the best mods you can get. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14000	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:51:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: It's hard enough to fit a STD hull with a PRO turret and mods, it's near impossible to fit a MLT hull with a PRO turret and the best mods you can get. It's actually impossible to do on the Madrugar hull as Spkr suggested. Can be done on the Gunnlogi Hull but requires max skill and both a CPU and PG extender which can be fitted primarily because Gunnlogi don't need their Low Slots to be effective. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2278	Posted - 2014.10.31 04:01:00 - [29] - Quote RemingtonBeaver wrote: The suit should lock the pilot into the vehicle. You can exit but with a 10 second timer. You know, because you have to link the suit into the vehicle and disconnect it in the same manner. Hell give it a linking timer in and out. I'm all for a pilot suit. Then the same thing for infantry. Fairness, you know. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14000	Posted - 2014.10.31 04:09:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: RemingtonBeaver wrote: The suit should lock the pilot into the vehicle. You can exit but with a 10 second timer. You know, because you have to link the suit into the vehicle and disconnect it in the same manner. Hell give it a linking timer in and out. I'm all for a pilot suit. Then the same thing for infantry. Fairness, you know. And fixed emplacements because surely it takes time to link into the emplacements targeting systems, register your personal data, and align all the whitchamachallits and doodadles for firing. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko



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