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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Taurion Bruni wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Let me clarify.

and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER.

It should by all accounts be an assault dropship.

But this brings us back to the original argument; What is an Assault Dropship? the description of the Python given by ccp is as follows;

Quote:

The Dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harmGÇÖs way.

The Assault class is a low-level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable, while the front-mounted pilot-controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements.

from this, we get that a Dropship is made to be a "Heavily armored platform, capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile environments." I take this to mean that the standard dropship is meant to be slow, yet able to tank enough damage to support the squad as they attack a point.

the ADS, by description is a faster transport vehicle, sacrificing seats for speed and a front turret. this allows it to easily cover the squad, but is more susceptible to damage.

the front mounted turret allows it to have an advantage over standard dropships in engagements (although its hard to destroy a dropship with anything but a railgun)

in theory, the ADS is still able to transport a squad, but its ability to tank is reduced to increase its ability to gank.

Pre-Empryean Soldier Tech doesn't' stand a candle to our stuff. Our HMGs turns Sparrow Class Dropships into Swiss Cheese.

"We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17249	Posted - 2014.10.16 00:18:00 - [31] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Let me clarify. and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER. It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. But this brings us back to the original argument; What is an Assault Dropship? the description of the Python given by ccp is as follows; Quote: The Dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harmGÇÖs way. The Assault class is a low-level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable, while the front-mounted pilot-controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements. from this, we get that a Dropship is made to be a "Heavily armored platform, capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile environments." I take this to mean that the standard dropship is meant to be slow, yet able to tank enough damage to support the squad as they attack a point. the ADS, by description is a faster transport vehicle, sacrificing seats for speed and a front turret. this allows it to easily cover the squad, but is more susceptible to damage. the front mounted turret allows it to have an advantage over standard dropships in engagements (although its hard to destroy a dropship with anything but a railgun) in theory, the ADS is still able to transport a squad, but its ability to tank is reduced to increase its ability to gank. Pre-Empryean Soldier Tech doesn't' stand a candle to our stuff. Our HMGs turns Sparrow Class Dropships into Swiss Cheese. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13581	Posted - 2014.10.16 00:34:00 - [32] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Actually, the role of tanks are to score easy kills off of fresh-out-of-the-acadamy scrubs, **** off the infantry, and generally wreak havoc. This asshat............ is not even worth my time "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13582	Posted - 2014.10.16 00:45:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Let me clarify. and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER. It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. But this brings us back to the original argument; What is an Assault Dropship? the description of the Python given by ccp is as follows; Quote: The Dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harmGÇÖs way. The Assault class is a low-level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable, while the front-mounted pilot-controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements. from this, we get that a Dropship is made to be a "Heavily armored platform, capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile environments." I take this to mean that the standard dropship is meant to be slow, yet able to tank enough damage to support the squad as they attack a point. the ADS, by description is a faster transport vehicle, sacrificing seats for speed and a front turret. this allows it to easily cover the squad, but is more susceptible to damage. the front mounted turret allows it to have an advantage over standard dropships in engagements (although its hard to destroy a dropship with anything but a railgun) in theory, the ADS is still able to transport a squad, but its ability to tank is reduced to increase its ability to gank. Pre-Empryean Soldier Tech doesn't' stand a candle to our stuff. Our HMGs turns Sparrow Class Dropships into Swiss Cheese. True dat. Our equipment is designed for 7' tall bioengineered super soldiers in ultra high tech combat armour and augumentations which would cause damage to other technologies not designed for our use. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD RUST415 267	Posted - 2014.10.16 01:37:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Let me clarify. and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER. It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. But this brings us back to the original argument; What is an Assault Dropship? the description of the Python given by ccp is as follows; Quote: The Dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harmGÇÖs way. The Assault class is a low-level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable, while the front-mounted pilot-controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements. from this, we get that a Dropship is made to be a "Heavily armored platform, capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile environments." I take this to mean that the standard dropship is meant to be slow, yet able to tank enough damage to support the squad as they attack a point. the ADS, by description is a faster transport vehicle, sacrificing seats for speed and a front turret. this allows it to easily cover the squad, but is more susceptible to damage. the front mounted turret allows it to have an advantage over standard dropships in engagements (although its hard to destroy a dropship with anything but a railgun) in theory, the ADS is still able to transport a squad, but its ability to tank is reduced to increase its ability to gank. Pre-Empryean Soldier Tech doesn't' stand a candle to our stuff. Our HMGs turns Sparrow Class Dropships into Swiss Cheese. Did you even read that? your response indicates otherwise. I never once talked about Pre-Empyrean Soldier tech, although you mentioned Attack Chopper Does this description make any sense to you? Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault Adapt or Die!
Mex-0 G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.10.16 01:43:00 - [35] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mex-0 wrote: Actually, the role of tanks are to score easy kills off of fresh-out-of-the-acadamy scrubs, ** off the infantry, and generally wreak havoc. This asshat............ is not even worth my time Didn't even give me a troll rating...? I'd say 10/10 seeing I've managed to ** you off. Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 8668	Posted - 2014.10.16 01:46:00 - [36] - Quote There is a thread in Feedback and Discussion about this very topic "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Mex-0 G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.10.16 01:48:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There is a thread in Feedback and Discussion about this very topic Which one, there are at least 5 side-issues Dedicated Scout and Nova Knifer.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2594	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:17:00 - [38] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: now if there was a scout craft.. like ads but no front gun but still as fast and agile but more silent and smaller signiture it may work It'd be opppppppp doe cuz dat scount be up in dar doeee "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13584	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:30:00 - [39] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: now if there was a scout craft.. like ads but no front gun but still as fast and agile but more silent and smaller signiture it may work It'd be opppppppp doe cuz dat scount be up in dar doeee Scouts are sissies. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1942	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:30:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There is a thread in Feedback and Discussion about this very topic https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2391233#post2391233 I see what you did there! However, I feel like that thread has about 3-4 different topics going on, and I quoted you from that very thread in the OP. This is more of a call for ADS - and really all vehicles - to be given a defined role. I feel like a lot of the imbalance is because they lack that role. I don't want it I just need it To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive

Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 178	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:52:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This doesnt stop the said sentinel from fitting ewar still. Would he ever be as good as a scout? No. But hes going to be better than every other sentinel out there. Please tell me How a EWAR stacking sentinal would be better than a Proto Sentinel with a Gastuns ? Do Tell \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1944	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:54:00 - [42] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This doesnt stop the said sentinel from fitting ewar still. Would he ever be as good as a scout? No. But hes going to be better than every other sentinel out there. Please tell me How a EWAR stacking sentinal would be better than a Proto Sentinel with a Gastuns ? Do Tell He's so.ply saying you can. Of course, you CAN... But why would you want to? I don't want it I just need it To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 178	Posted - 2014.10.16 03:04:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Let me clarify. and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER. It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. Hence his wording "Better than every other Sentinel Out there" You need to work on your wording. Not only that IWS is probably what I find to be is one of the most annoying CPM's out there. Really, since you're saying and emphasizing "by all accounts be an assault dropship" We're here trying to f**ng find out what that role in particular is. So, If you won't give us, The ADS Pilots an answer, then by all means step the f* off . \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17256	Posted - 2014.10.16 04:16:00 - [44] - Quote Or maybe I forgot a word. meant to say his scan. As for the roles I declared off limits The answer is that what you guys want is an Assault Dropship. let the fighter pilots, bombers, and gunship pilots get their own things later on. You need to focus on what an assault dropship means. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1945	Posted - 2014.10.16 04:18:00 - [45] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Or maybe I forgot a word. meant to say his scan. As for the roles I declared off limits The answer is that what you guys want is an Assault Dropship. let the fighter pilots, bombers, and gunship pilots get their own things later on. You need to focus on what an assault dropship means. Literally the entire point of this thread is for CCP to establish just that. I don't want it I just need it To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 492	Posted - 2014.10.16 04:37:00 - [46] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Rattati, You said here, Quote: Players have been asking, "what is the role of the ADS", and to that I only have one answer, "we provide the sandbox, you play in it". We have no intent to shoehorn in an exact playstyle. I feel that this is a flawed statement. Let's look at sentinels. Should they be able to run EWAR the same as a scout? No, of course not. His role is not to run ewar. It is to run point defense. He is not meant to fit dampeners and enhancers. It is in this light that me and others ask for the role of the ADS. We want to have a designated job, and we want to do that job well. The sandbox comes from accomplishing that job in a myriad of ways, but I don't try and do a front line assault with my scout for the same reason I don't try and be stealthy in my sentinel. We have had some discussion about things we can do to improve ADS, and you seemed keen on the idea of Python as infantry slayer and Incubus as vehicle slayer. But I would really like to nail down what we as ADS pilots are to do. I think saying we can attack, scout, transport is giving us too many hats to wear at once. We should let the transport DS be for transport, and have the ADS do a separate job. Just like we let the scout be good at scouting and the logi good at logistics. So I ask you: in order to balance ADS and give them a place on the battlefield, what should their role be? Until we have defined a clear role for them, we can't begin to try and balance them because we don't know what they are to be balanced against. Lol, what Rattati means to say is that this game is based on FOTM. It doesn't matter what "role" or gear you choose to play, if you didn't pick the FOTM you lose. If you want the run of the mill, infantry only shooty shooty then you got the game you whined for. These hotfixes have solidified that. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4916	Posted - 2014.10.16 05:39:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: This doesnt stop the said sentinel from fitting ewar still. Would he ever be as good as a scout? No. But hes going to be better than every other sentinel out there. what
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD RUST415 267	Posted - 2014.10.16 13:46:00 - [48] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Or maybe I forgot a word. meant to say his scan. As for the roles I declared off limits The answer is that what you guys want is an Assault Dropship. let the fighter pilots, bombers, and gunship pilots get their own things later on. You need to focus on what an assault dropship means. Iron Wolf, if you can't bring anything productive to this thread, then please step aside. All you have done is tell us what the assault dropship is not. we have been asking what role it has been intended for, we have not claimed it to be anything because we ourselves do not know where the puzzle piece fits in the game. Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault Adapt or Die!
Apocalyptic Destroyer KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 179	Posted - 2014.10.17 01:04:00 - [49] - Quote Bump \\CPM's Are Forum Warriors// Pain is weakness leaving the body. You Underestimate Me, ADS, Tanker, Heavy, Scout
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1021	Posted - 2014.10.17 01:18:00 - [50] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I feel the same way about tanks. While I appreciate CCP's willingness to let me "play my way" (something not yet come to pass) I'd rather see vehicles have their roles like infantry suits. From there anything beyond that role that we can achieve is much more satisfying....I mean in EVE every ship has a role, every variant a niche. An Omen deals with Efficient capacitor management of Laser weapons A Maller deals with Armour Resistance Values and High EHP An Augoror/ Guardian mostly deals with Repairs and Logistics An Arbitrator is normally a Drone boat. In Dust A Soma has no specific role A Madrugar has no specific role A Sica has no specific role A Gunlogi has no specific role thread should have stopped after this. dust lacks parity with eve and thus the roles and balance are all screwed up. for anyone interested this is the most accurate breakdown of roles in dust 514 as related to eve. heavy: battleshiptech 1 sentinel: marauder tech 2 commando: battlecruiser tech 1 assault: heavy assault cruiser tech 2 logistics: logistics tech 2 medium: cruiser tech 1 scout: covert ops frigate tech 2 light suit: frigates tech 1 vehicles would be captial ships and theyre roles should fit that. tanks are dreadnoughts, dropships are super carriers and lavs are carriers. assault dropships are only in the game because of the lack of fighters. they should have been removed in 1.7 they serve no role withing eves structure. unless of course their so op you want to call them titans which is an understandable an valid point. Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.

Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 1021	Posted - 2014.10.17 01:23:00 - [51] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Let me clarify. and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER. It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. Hence his wording "Better than every other Sentinel Out there" You need to work on your wording. Not only that IWS is probably what I find to be is one of the most annoying CPM's out there. Really, since you're saying and emphasizing "by all accounts be an assault dropship" We're here trying to f**ng find out what that role in particular is. So, If you won't give us, The ADS Pilots an answer, then by all means step the f* off . i warned you guys not to vote for him again. i voted for people i never even heard of over him. hes really the last remnant of the failure that was cpm0 Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1959	Posted - 2014.10.17 23:07:00 - [52] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Let me clarify. and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER. It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. Hence his wording "Better than every other Sentinel Out there" You need to work on your wording. Not only that IWS is probably what I find to be is one of the most annoying CPM's out there. Really, since you're saying and emphasizing "by all accounts be an assault dropship" We're here trying to f**ng find out what that role in particular is. So, If you won't give us, The ADS Pilots an answer, then by all means step the f* off . i warned you guys not to vote for him again. i voted for people i never even heard of over him. hes really the last remnant of the failure that was cpm0 I'd like to keep this discussion on topic. We won't get an answer if it devolves into bickering over unrelated issues. I don't want it I just need it To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 104	Posted - 2014.10.17 23:40:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I feel the same way about tanks. While I appreciate CCP's willingness to let me "play my way" (something not yet come to pass) I'd rather see vehicles have their roles like infantry suits. From there anything beyond that role that we can achieve is much more satisfying....I mean in EVE every ship has a role, every variant a niche. An Omen deals with Efficient capacitor management of Laser weapons A Maller deals with Armour Resistance Values and High EHP An Augoror/ Guardian mostly deals with Repairs and Logistics An Arbitrator is normally a Drone boat. In Dust A Soma has no specific role A Madrugar has no specific role A Sica has no specific role A Gunlogi has no specific role This is not Eve. Its Dust, we are a diffrent game. Perhaps you've heard of us.
Sergeant Sazu Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 149	Posted - 2014.10.18 00:45:00 - [54] - Quote I use the Python to single-handedly clear out rooftop campers. Unless they have AV. Then I spend the entire match trying not to die. Most people use the ADS simply as a slaying tool, in which case the AV should kill them quickly. But when I'm trying to clear the guys on the roof that are holding back my team, it kinda sucks to get taken down so easily. So yeah, that's what I use it for. I can't really conclude their intended purpose. This will take a lot of discussion. "Whoops! Sorry bro, my finger slipped on the trigger... 11 times." [31.6m SP - Next skill: Repair Tool Operation 5]
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1959	Posted - 2014.10.18 00:47:00 - [55] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: True Adamance wrote: I feel the same way about tanks. While I appreciate CCP's willingness to let me "play my way" (something not yet come to pass) I'd rather see vehicles have their roles like infantry suits. From there anything beyond that role that we can achieve is much more satisfying....I mean in EVE every ship has a role, every variant a niche. An Omen deals with Efficient capacitor management of Laser weapons A Maller deals with Armour Resistance Values and High EHP An Augoror/ Guardian mostly deals with Repairs and Logistics An Arbitrator is normally a Drone boat. In Dust A Soma has no specific role A Madrugar has no specific role A Sica has no specific role A Gunlogi has no specific role This is not Eve. Its Dust, we are a diffrent game. Perhaps you've heard of us. True still has a point. Vehicles do not have roles, which is part of why balancing them is so difficult. I don't want it I just need it To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 845	Posted - 2014.10.18 01:29:00 - [56] - Quote assault dropship. has same transport roles as all the other dropships out there. but that assault part doesnt and shouldnt mean anything great. all it should mean is that this particular dropship can drop friendlyies off and lay down some fire as the dropped mercs go fr cover or an objectives. i think thats how it should be interpreted. not the infantry or vehicle slayer. just another transport. only with a little extra firepower. to support those mercs. if there were maps where we could wage some large open warfare and attack decenty sized big installtion structures to create opening for infantry. then theres your vehicle roles right there. supplemental roles would be to assist infantry and provide cover for those same mercs as they push to capture objectives. right now looking at this i think it will be impossible to give vehicles roles other than transport and infantry slaying. the basic gameplay has become pointless. not fun anymore. i dont even see the roles of different dropsuits any more. any1 can get high wp and high amounts of kills or what ever regardless of suit type/ role.. really? what is the point of all of this?. i know ive played for a while. but i think this is why i quite in the first place. not just because of proto stomps. pve for dust 514. so what? u killed me twice with proto?. i killed you once with my mlt fit. that takes more skill.
Vicious Minotaur 1233	Posted - 2014.10.18 02:06:00 - [57] - Quote I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Vehicles need to be redone 100% from the ground up, while referencing REAL life vehicle archetypes. DUSTs dropships specifically are equivalent to our modern day military helicopters, so I use them as an example. What IS the basic dropship equivalent to? An attack helicopter? A transport heli? A rescue heli? Then, what IS the assault dropship equivalent to? An attack helicopter? A transport heli? A rescue heli? Right now, both the ADS and the DS are some bastardized version of an attack helicopter and a transport one. They step on each other's toes. In a warzone, a transport heli and one used for rescue would probably have side gunners (maybe even a third forward facing one). Attack helicopters... well, they are entirely different with their armaments. Compare an Apache with the Huey. Note how different they are, and that our DS types are so damn similar. And if a gunship comes into the game... well, gunships can use a helicopter as a platform, and in that case, those could be called attack helicopters. Now, if anybody says: "but DUST is sci-fi, not real life!" then I will point to this: vehicles seem to have been developed without looking at real-life equivalents, and look at where we are. We have awful vehicles with no role. I am a minotaur.
Victor Moody Stahl Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.10.18 02:29:00 - [58] - Quote I just want to point out that the Huey/Apache comparison with derpships is fundamentally flawed, for the simple reason that the Apache can in no way transport any kind of passengers. A more apt description would be the Mil Mi-24 Hind gunship, which is the nearest (and really only) equivalent to the ADS- a "fully" armed vehicle with a useful transport capability. Yes yes, I realize that "useful transport capability" requires fitting the side turrets, but hey, even three guys is better than four, and if one of them can take potshots at things you may not be able to hit (or paying attention to), then that's a pretty good deal.
Vicious Minotaur 1233	Posted - 2014.10.18 02:56:00 - [59] - Quote Victor Moody Stahl wrote: ... I am not necessarily Comparing the ADS to the Apache. I called the ADS, and I quote: "some bastardized version of an attack helicopter and a transport one." Also, I am comparing the diverse and distinct roles of real life helicopters to the homogenized and indistinct roles of current DUST dropships. --> wrote: Compare an Apache with the Huey. Note how different they are, and that our DS types are so damn similar. I never explicitly called the Apache the equivalent to the current flawed ADS. I am looking at general helicopter types, and the Apache/Mil MI-24 Hind are both fall under "Attack helicopter." (Assault dropship = Attack heli) My use of the Apache was only to personify a real attack helicopter and its very different armaments. And anyway, the current state of the ADS and its ability to transport troops is irrelevant to this, because I stated: vehicles need to be redone entirely. I am a minotaur.
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1961	Posted - 2014.10.18 04:11:00 - [60] - Quote More to the point, many are saying that the ADS SHOULD act like an Apache, and lose the passenger seats for more attack and defensive power. I don't want it I just need it To breath, to feel, to know I'm alive



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