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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.10.18 02:06:00 -
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Vehicles need to be redone 100% from the ground up, while referencing REAL life vehicle archetypes. DUSTs dropships specifically are equivalent to our modern day military helicopters, so I use them as an example.
What IS the basic dropship equivalent to? An attack helicopter? A transport heli? A rescue heli?
Then, what IS the assault dropship equivalent to? An attack helicopter? A transport heli? A rescue heli?
Right now, both the ADS and the DS are some bastardized version of an attack helicopter and a transport one. They step on each other's toes. In a warzone, a transport heli and one used for rescue would probably have side gunners (maybe even a third forward facing one). Attack helicopters... well, they are entirely different with their armaments. Compare an Apache with the Huey. Note how different they are, and that our DS types are so damn similar.
And if a gunship comes into the game... well, gunships can use a helicopter as a platform, and in that case, those could be called attack helicopters.
Now, if anybody says: "but DUST is sci-fi, not real life!" then I will point to this: vehicles seem to have been developed without looking at real-life equivalents, and look at where we are. We have awful vehicles with no role.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.10.18 02:56:00 -
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Victor Moody Stahl wrote:...
I am not necessarily Comparing the ADS to the Apache. I called the ADS, and I quote: "some bastardized version of an attack helicopter and a transport one."
Also, I am comparing the diverse and distinct roles of real life helicopters to the homogenized and indistinct roles of current DUST dropships. --> wrote: Compare an Apache with the Huey. Note how different they are, and that our DS types are so damn similar.
I never explicitly called the Apache the equivalent to the current flawed ADS. I am looking at general helicopter types, and the Apache/Mil MI-24 Hind are both fall under "Attack helicopter." (Assault dropship = Attack heli) My use of the Apache was only to personify a real attack helicopter and its very different armaments.
And anyway, the current state of the ADS and its ability to transport troops is irrelevant to this, because I stated: vehicles need to be redone entirely.
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Vicious Minotaur
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Posted - 2014.10.18 05:52:00 -
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Victor Moody Stahl wrote:
Certainly the purpose of the Hind is to be an attack helicopter, but it can also carry as many as eight people- that's slightly more than what the current, garden-variety Grimsnes/Myron can handle, and anywhere from 2-4 times what the ADS can carry (depending on turret configuration, or lack thereof).
I'd say that the term 'gunship' is more apt than 'attack helicopter' in the case of the Hind. (certainly both could apply... but that is unimportant).
What is important is figuring out the various roles helicopters play, and transferring those roles to DUST.
In DUST, there are different icons for aircraft sizes (light, medium, and heavy). The icons, for reference.
I believe that the Huey is comparable to the current regular dropships, which are the light variey. We still need to fill the others (medium and heavy).
The Apache, given its small-ish size, higher maneuverability and high firepower, could be translated to the role of an ADS and be classified as a medium aircraft.
The Hind, given its large size, lower comparative maneuverability, high armour, firepower and troop transport capabilities, would translate to a gunship, which would be a heavy aircraft.
There is absolutely no need to limit things based upon the way things currently are. It is not a matter of only having the regular DS and the ADS. There are more options.
Given the above, I'd say that the Apache informing what the ADS becomes is very much appropriate.
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