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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:38:00 -
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This doesnt stop the said sentinel from fitting ewar still. Would he ever be as good as a scout? No. But hes going to be better than every other sentinel out there.
ADS are not Gunships, Bombers, or Attack Choppers. Does that stop them from trying to be used or flown like one? No.
Now comes the box part.
When an ADS nullifies the need for any other role this is where the box wall comes in to say no, you are not god.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:52:00 -
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Now I will not disagree there does needs to be a root role or general idea of what is it supposed to do.
A sense of 'agency' if you will.
It would be confusing as heck if you gave me a full auto shotgun that fires slugs a role that could possibly interfere with heavy rifles. It is more confusing if you deploy a tank to a field and it doesn't feel like a tank at all. I mean back in the old day the general term of a tank (and to great extent even today) refers to any armored vehicle not just the more familiar MBTs.
So what sort of tanks do on the field and their purpose? There is not a good strong out outside of anti-vehicle role which overall it does poorly at against flying aircraft. With so few potential targets the HAV feels a bit roleless. MAVs could be the solution along with additional turret types and map obstacles that only heavier firepower can destroy such as search towers or gates allowing infantry to gain access to shortcuts that even the tank may not be able to utilize.
So back to the OP's concern about the ADS?
What role should it play? Verticality is an important factor and great advantage in this game but lately with the changes a sniper rifle is superior to discouraging roof play (though I never seen the previous ADS discourage rooftop play that much)
What would be the main role?
So far I seen alot of pilots ask for one way relationships. This very is unhealthy aspect and played into the previous ADS godhoo as the counter relationship is excruciatingly underclassed for the task.
However the relationship as it stands now is a simple one at best. There is no lockon signal, there is no targeting signal, players don't render that easily unless you hopped into the ADS as a sniper. (which is really kittened up part) Ground Infantry don't have deployable bubbles. The sound engine is not up to part allowing ADS to sneak up on them without a single audio queue, and ultimately sensors are screwed up. Vehicles are typically stealth in this game to a frustrating point.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:14:00 -
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Yeah right now our HAVs are a bastardization of a light armored fighting vehicle and MBT (though technically modern MBTs makes 'scout' tanks useless. )
For the sake of video games though
Medium Turrets Scout HAVs then shift our current HAVs into MBTs
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.15 22:40:00 -
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Original Artwork suggested 3 guns for the HAVs, the third one being on the neck. Maybe make that one the coaxial one.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.15 23:32:00 -
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Let me clarify.
and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER.
It should by all accounts be an assault dropship.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.15 23:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let me clarify.
and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER.
It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. I don't know about that...... if the Dropship is the Blackhawk/Transport Copter sans missile pods, surely an Assault Dropship should be akin to an Apachi/ Attack Chopper right?
I am thinking more along the line so an armored and armed chinook.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.16 00:18:00 -
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Taurion Bruni wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Let me clarify.
and ADS SHOULD NOT BE A BOMBER, FIGHTER, GUNSHIP, STRATEGIC BOMBER, OR ATTACK CHOPPER.
It should by all accounts be an assault dropship. But this brings us back to the original argument; What is an Assault Dropship? the description of the Python given by ccp is as follows; Quote:The Dropship is a two-engine VTOL craft that combines advances in shielded hardware, redundant software protocols, and networked aeronautics into a heavily armored tactical platform capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile situations. Its standard five-man carrying capacity, dual hardpoints, and reinforced plating allow it to operate independently in any situation, alternately tracking and engaging enemy targets and ferrying troops into and out of harmGÇÖs way.
The Assault class is a low-level aerial attack craft. Its light frame makes it highly maneuverable, while the front-mounted pilot-controlled turret gives it a significant advantage in aerial engagements. from this, we get that a Dropship is made to be a "Heavily armored platform, capable of insertion and extraction in even the most hostile environments." I take this to mean that the standard dropship is meant to be slow, yet able to tank enough damage to support the squad as they attack a point. the ADS, by description is a faster transport vehicle, sacrificing seats for speed and a front turret. this allows it to easily cover the squad, but is more susceptible to damage. the front mounted turret allows it to have an advantage over standard dropships in engagements (although its hard to destroy a dropship with anything but a railgun) in theory, the ADS is still able to transport a squad, but its ability to tank is reduced to increase its ability to gank.
Pre-Empryean Soldier Tech doesn't' stand a candle to our stuff. Our HMGs turns Sparrow Class Dropships into Swiss Cheese.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.10.16 04:16:00 -
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Or maybe I forgot a word.
meant to say his scan.
As for the roles I declared off limits
The answer is that what you guys want is an Assault Dropship. let the fighter pilots, bombers, and gunship pilots get their own things later on. You need to focus on what an assault dropship means.
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