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Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.07 01:45:00 -
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Yes.
The answer to your question is: "Yes".
Feel better now?
Good.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
4883
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Posted - 2014.10.07 02:19:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Additionally to CCP Rattati, who was playing the game long before he was in charge of fixing the game, CCP Logibro was a player of the game before he was hired by CCP. The game is balanced both on statistics and player feedback, with input from the CPM as well.
Unfortunately, it is impossible to run a test server for a PS3 game. We'd all love to have one, but it's just outside the scope of practicality. Again, it doesn't look like they play their own game. Rattati called Dropships a 'Force Multiplier'. That's BS. Tanks are a force multiplier. Any AV on the board now makes Dropships near useless, especially after their nerf. I would like a DEV to respond to this question instead of random players that just speculate.
I think the game is in the best shape it's been from a balance perspective. There is a lot to balance in Dust. I think the job they are doing now with a much smaller team is amazing.
Give them a break.
CCP.... P.S., I think this is the attitude that gets much less hostile with respecs of some degree given when these hot fixes drop.
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.10.07 02:48:00 -
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I am sure they do, but not like we play an on a far more balanced playing field to see and test out there work. This is the case in most of the games I play they have lives and sadly have to do stuff with the fam and all real life jaz we have manage to avoid. The forums actually play a huge role in development in my experience, so everyone that writes threads should really think about what they are jotting down because if the devs pick up a bad idea and run with it because it could kill a game.
New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
3997
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Posted - 2014.10.07 02:49:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:They only took it out of beta because of Sony and their timeline for the game.
This is also baseless speculation. Though I think the beta was handled poorly, as many of the issues we had with the game should've been resolved long prior to release. But it had nothing to do with Sony.
And yes, the devs working on balance changes play the game. Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean they don't play. ;)
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
245
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:06:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:Atiim wrote:Why is it that every "Do DEVs even DUST?" thread is made by butthurt FoTM Scrubs and Pilots? I play an Amarr Assault with Scrambler Rifle and Laser Rifle. I'm so far away from FoTM that it isn't even funny. I have the isk to run my protos even if I die to a bolt pistol, lol.
Except Amarr assault with scrambler and autofire controller was super FOTM op cheating. What kind of controller WERE you using I wonder... |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:41:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:Atiim wrote:Why is it that every "Do DEVs even DUST?" thread is made by butthurt FoTM Scrubs and Pilots? I play an Amarr Assault with Scrambler Rifle and Laser Rifle. I'm so far away from FoTM that it isn't even funny. I have the isk to run my protos even if I die to a bolt pistol, lol. Except Amarr assault with scrambler and autofire controller was super FOTM op cheating. What kind of controller WERE you using I wonder...
I'm not so insecure with my abilities that I had to use a turbo controller. I don't cheat in FPS to get my kills. I used a regular controller. Back when that was the norm, I used to be a slayer logi with either a creodon breach assault rifle or a six kin assault combat rifle. Thanks for trying to call me out. |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:45:00 -
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Skippy Longstocking wrote:Yes.
The answer to your question is: "Yes".
Feel better now?
Good.
/thread
No, that isn't an adaquate answer. You don't seem to understand my question still. THe people that still play dust are incredibly hardheaded with their opinions and put too much faith in CCP. A company known for screwing over players and not caring. |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:50:00 -
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The Master Race wrote:I am sure they do, but not like we play an on a far more balanced playing field to see and test out there work. This is the case in most of the games I play they have lives and sadly have to do stuff with the fam and all real life jaz we have manage to avoid. The forums actually play a huge role in development in my experience, so everyone that writes threads should really think about what they are jotting down because if the devs pick up a bad idea and run with it because it could kill a game.
Again, that isn't what I'm getting at. CCP Logibros great contribution to the game was dropsuit specialization. It destroyed fitting freedom because it made it so suits had an absolutely right way to fit it and an absolutely wrong way to fit them (ie anything that didn't play to that suits bonuses).
CCP ratatatas great controbution to the game, so far, is to force all dropship pilots to be on the same playing level instead of rewarding those that learn how to pilot well to not lose their 800k ISK dropship while still being a vital part of the battlefield.
For the way they make their patches and balances, it looks like they don't even play their own game to see that 'oh, maybe changing it that way was a bad idea for the progression of the game'. I really believe that making suits have the bonuses they do have was bad for the game in terms of fitting freedom. But hey, CCP doesn't listen to their players about meta like that. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3431
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:57:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:
No, that isn't an adaquate answer.
In your opinion
You don't seem to understand my question still.
Then state your thesis more clearly.
THe people that still play dust are incredibly hardheaded with their opinions and put too much faith in CCP.
After perusing the forums I have found that cynicism outnumbers examples of faith in excess of 10-1.
A company known for screwing over players and not caring.
Making mistakes while underestimating the playerbase whom CCP allows to screw each other over is a more accurate assessment.
I had to correct this so that it adheres to actual fact, not anecdote.
I find this seeming expectation that CCP owes you something to be interesting.
The game is free. You show approval of the game by buying aurum. You show disapproval by skipping aurum.
I have played alongside archduke and have shot down devs in play.
Yes, they play the game.
No they are not obligated to agree with you or accept your words as gospel.
This thread is pointless, ranty and contributes nothing to improving the game, therefore it is unlikely to gain dev attention longer than it takes to savor harvested tears. |
Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2014.10.07 09:58:00 -
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Orphan Shadow wrote:Regarding ADS... The AB cool down adjustment was badly needed. That has not nerfed DS viability whatsoever, just the amount of time you can hover in the hot zone splatting dudes with your XT-1. Now you have to take a little time out for being naughty. The swarm acceleration buff means you have to take lol swarms more seriously now. If there is more than one swarmer, you either find something else to do, or you DIAF. At least you forced 2 enemy infantry to gimp themselves with AV in a gun fight. Regarding tank bustin', I agree DS versus Tank is weak sauce now. But... we don't fly in constant fear of 80GJ Railguns anymore either. There is a compromise that was reached here. Tanks don't wreck you with no recourse, neither do we smash them to bits without a return shot fired from directly above in less time than it takes to travel a quarter mile. If we want ADS to be AV, which seems ideal, Rattati should strap a forge gun to the weapon mount, not small Railguns and Missile Launchers. Edit: Or strap an Anti-infantry swarm launcher to ADS that locks on infantry and is as fire and forget as AV swarms. Lol!
Railguns on an incubus were amazing at dealing with structures and vehichles. They were so much better than missles and blasters. At least, when I flew a Prometheous, I had a missle and a railgun. More often than not, the railgun killed more vehichles while the missle was about equal with anti infantry and AV. That's only because I used the Accelerated missle and people had good aim.
Even before the swarm nerf, I took them pretty seriously. I don't know about you or if you remember swarms before the nerf, but htey were pretty deadly. I had to rely of ground units to take them out so I could go back to blowing things up. And you kind of do have to live in fear of railguns still. Every railtank I've seen has damage mods that can two shot an armor tanked incubus.
My problem with the ADS nerf is is it is forcing pilots to make a change in piloting instead of nudging them into saying 'oh, there are different ways to pilot than going straight up to get away from AV'. Any competent tanker I've talked to can get away from an ADS super easily and even retaliate to get them away. In a good squad, peopel would have brought out ground AV to deal with the dropship. |
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Rami Hamilo
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
104
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:04:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:
No, that isn't an adaquate answer.
In your opinion
You don't seem to understand my question still.
Then state your thesis more clearly.
THe people that still play dust are incredibly hardheaded with their opinions and put too much faith in CCP.
After perusing the forums I have found that cynicism outnumbers examples of faith in excess of 10-1.
A company known for screwing over players and not caring.
Making mistakes while underestimating the playerbase whom CCP allows to screw each other over is a more accurate assessment.
I had to correct this so that it adheres to actual fact, not anecdote - Hey, thanks for being an *******. I find this seeming expectation that CCP owes you something to be interesting. - I don't believe I ever once said CCP owes me anything. I invested in this game and was let down. I'm disappoints in the route they're going, but I don't believe I am calling for some huge reform to the game. Not once have I said that they need to change this or that. I have just pointed out some things that they should have changed. The game is free. You show approval of the game by buying aurum. You show disapproval by skipping aurum. - That's great and all, but CCP doesn't care because of the contract with Sony. I have played alongside archduke and have shot down devs in play. - Man, that seems to be a theme. Yay, you play with devs. You're still missing my question. Congratulations. Yes, they play the game. - cool. It feels liek they don't given some of the recent 'balances'. No they are not obligated to agree with you or accept your words as gospel. - I never said they should agree with me or accept my words as gospel. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. This thread is pointless, ranty and contributes nothing to improving the game, therefore it is unlikely to gain dev attention longer than it takes to savor harvested tears. - In your own words, that is your opinion.
Sorry, I had to reply to your quote in your own quote. Your feedback wasn't that great. |
Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:09:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:Skippy Longstocking wrote:Yes.
The answer to your question is: "Yes".
Feel better now?
Good.
/thread No, that isn't an adaquate answer. You don't seem to understand my question still. THe people that still play dust are incredibly hardheaded with their opinions and put too much faith in CCP. A company known for screwing over players and not caring.
I'm sorry.
Could you repeat the question? |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3431
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:09:00 -
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And your thread provides no useful or actionable feedback, merely accusatory ranting. If that is not your intent I would suggest formulating your words better.
Your posts come off badly and along the vein of my critique. If you don't want people to respond to them in that manner you need to be more clear in defining the problem, presenting your evidence and offering ideas for solution.
Your thread has failed to do any of the three. It comes off as an accusation of blind idiocy against rattati and logibro, and to a lesser extent Archduke.
If this was not your intention, then your presentation needs major adjustment. |
Joel II X
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
3761
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:21:00 -
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Logibro played it quite often. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:09:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:Orphan Shadow wrote:Rami, you use proper spelling and grammar, and your actual concern is fair discussion, so you seem an intelligent dude. Your OP lacks tact or any evidence of your claims. DEVs don't need to go any further than the title of your post to safely decide to move onto something else. This thread is just one of hundreds, if not thousands, just like it. Yet you legitimately feel a DEV should respond to you. If you want a blue tag, write something with more substance, more content, and you know, do a little investigation first. Come up with a better title. You want effort from CCP, put a little into your post. And apologies to you from me, for coming off too strongly previously. +1 for not overreacting. Wow, some actual constructive comments. Thank you. Unfortunately I'm unable to cite my own personal experiences with the game, since I used my own experiences as examples. I'm pleased to see that the CPM that responded has provided some decent dialog, at least. Honestly, once Borderlands the Pre Sequel comes out and Shadow of Mordor comes to PS3, I won't be playing this game anymore. I just made this thread to hopefully start some sort of meaningful questioning inthe community for how CCP takes care of buffing/nerfing. It really seems like they just look at raw numbers and then fix the firestorm of their tweaking later. Some of the things they change in response to a patch are things that could have been easily caught and fixed in internal testing. They need better QA with players instead of just saying 'hey, surprise! Here's this stuff that you weren't expecting'. Do you go to forums and ideas? Did you post your thoughts on the dozens of pages and interactions with Rattati there before the changes? I don't remember seeing you there and it seems a little spoiled to complain about not having a say when you were given plenty of opportunity to have a say but didn't take it. YOu are assuming I want to impliment some sort of change to the game. You are completely missing my initial question: Do the devs play their game and do they see the effects of said changes themselves? Any same developer would see most of the ganges they have made and go 'oh man, maybe that was a bad idea to do that'. I've never seen a develompent community pretty much ignore their players as bad as CCP has. They didnt need to nerf ADS. At least not for the reasons ratatatata gave. I won't be playing this game when the new Borderlands comes out, so I don't really care if they change things back. I just want to know if they play their own game and are comfortable with the changes despite seeing it first hand. That is what I want to know.
So you are too lazy too look but expect a Dev to answer you. Your question was answered many times and just because you personally are butthurt about some changes doesn't mean that there was no community feedback. I play the game, I like the changes, so what makes your opinion right?
Because, that's why.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
469
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:16:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:Those don't really count, in my opinion, since they don't change the meta of the game. People were fine with the old recticles, just more people wanted them different. Having 1 LS for the adv Cal Scout was fine, it's just more people didn't want to change their gameplay with an adv cal scout cause they didn't want to use a proto.
The changes they've been making have been changing the meta of the game drastically. My real question is 'Do they play their own game and do they see the effects of their changes if they do, in fact, play their own game'?
Look at the Bolt pistol. It can three shot, or four shot, ANYTHING on the board right now. Sure, they reduced the RoF, but it still does a metric ton of damage per shot, even without a damage mod or prof.
MLT gear is more on the terms of ADV/Proto gear for their price. Have they listened to the people that want MLT gear nerfed more? It took them what, 5 patches to put the Battle Academy back to what it was. Well, at least almost back to what it was. Lets look at the meta as it is now: Greater suit variety than ever before. Greater weapon variety than ever before. Such a crappy meta Rattati and Logibro have put together... Before, there were no Logistics specialization. That was a greater variety. Before, assault suits and commandos didn't have a 'You use this weapon because you get the bonus' Right now, there is a right way and a wrong way to fit every single suit. If you can't see that, you're an idiot. Sorry, but you are.
There's bonuses to every ship in EVE that make it a "Right Way" and a "Wrong Way" to fly the ship. I've also seen some damn good pilots ignore the bonuses applied and do amazing things with ships. Thing's that the DEVs never considered and changed gameplay for MONTHS. The Myrmidon gets a 7.5% bonus to armor rep per level, yet people shield thank them (or used to) all the time.
Just because the bonuses exist, doesn't mean you need to use them all the time. You're a Min/Max'er, and that's fine(ish), but it's not the only way to play the game. |
maluble
Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance
100
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Posted - 2014.10.07 17:55:00 -
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I dont think so, im always runnng into terrain gliches and other stupid bugs that should not exist at this point in the game. Honestly I dont think they care cause if they did I wouldn't be complaining about it. Any future attempts to make a fps will fail if they continue with this attitude. Ccp staff need to sit down smoke a huge spliff and figure **** out. |
Mary Sedillo
Thunder's Throne
322
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Posted - 2014.10.07 20:49:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:I've played with Rattati, Cmdrwang, Frame, Foxfour, Archduke, Logibro and Saberwing
I remember a long time ago running a dev team into the mud with my super-blaster tank pre 1.7... was funny to see the changes after that to the large blaster. |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
245
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Posted - 2014.10.09 07:08:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:Imp Smash wrote:Rami Hamilo wrote:Atiim wrote:Why is it that every "Do DEVs even DUST?" thread is made by butthurt FoTM Scrubs and Pilots? I play an Amarr Assault with Scrambler Rifle and Laser Rifle. I'm so far away from FoTM that it isn't even funny. I have the isk to run my protos even if I die to a bolt pistol, lol. Except Amarr assault with scrambler and autofire controller was super FOTM op cheating. What kind of controller WERE you using I wonder... I'm not so insecure with my abilities that I had to use a turbo controller. I don't cheat in FPS to get my kills. I used a regular controller. Back when that was the norm, I used to be a slayer logi with either a creodon breach assault rifle or a six kin assault combat rifle. Thanks for trying to call me out.
Your statement did attempt to distance SCR from FoTM when it has been the FoTSM (several months) for autofire controller users. One of the few full on cheats.
So really I was just checking and pointing out that SCR was nerfed for a reason (if not accurately nerfed <.<) |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.09 07:39:00 -
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Rami Hamilo wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Additionally to CCP Rattati, who was playing the game long before he was in charge of fixing the game, CCP Logibro was a player of the game before he was hired by CCP. The game is balanced both on statistics and player feedback, with input from the CPM as well.
Unfortunately, it is impossible to run a test server for a PS3 game. We'd all love to have one, but it's just outside the scope of practicality. Again, it doesn't look like they play their own game. Rattati called Dropships a 'Force Multiplier'. That's BS. Tanks are a force multiplier. Any AV on the board now makes Dropships near useless, especially after their nerf. I would like a DEV to respond to this question instead of random players that just speculate.
LOL if you don't know the definition of force multipliers you need to see the worst kinds of stomps the ADS were offering such as instantly popping tanks. I had jokingly called the maxi-ADS a sanitizer (rare in pubs but you get one every so often)
I haven't see the stomps anywhere ADS could have offered since closed beta's Sagaris. So being number 2 of most OP platforms of all times will go to the ADS of 1.8a-c
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
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Posted - 2014.10.09 09:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I haven't see the stomps anywhere ADS could have offered since closed beta's Sagaris. So being number 2 of most OP platforms of all times will go to the ADS of 1.8a-c
Could have offered? Speculation that maybe the ADS could have offered stomps....is the reason you think they're so OP.
Riiiiiiight.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
18046
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Posted - 2014.10.09 17:56:00 -
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I have played both with and against CCP devs several times in the past.
Surprisingly, they weren't all completely inept.
The forums have ruined me.
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