I believe Dust failed at pushing the team aspect. I don't think Uprising should have been released when it was.

I think CCP did a horrible job marketing the game, but releasing it too early really set them back in that area.

Dust does great at pushing the team aspect imho.

Marketing with the state of NPE and matchmaking up until now could have very easily been a BAD investment. Both of these have gotten better with Delta, hopefully it will lead to more new player retention and a little bit of actual growth in Dust which could lead to them actually deciding to step up the advertising some in an effort to keep it rolling which personally I doubt that as they do not seem to have created a new road map for Dust / Legion.

who gives a ****

this reminds me a lot of the PS4 vs Xbone arguements. Arrrrgh, they are so annoying. I don't get why gamers have to prove to everyone how hardcore they are by saying how much they dislike something.

the best community

It's not about that at all. People on the Bungie forum rage and rage at us for criticizing Destiny, but if we didn't do it, nothing would change and the game would not improve. It would just become about making money and not making quality games.

And yeah, you know what? You're god damn right I want to prove I'm a hardcore gamer. Because I've played some of the best games out there and I can effectively critique any game and accurately tell you whether or not it's even worth dropping a dollar on. I didn't spend almost two decades of my life gaming just to sit there and not tell it how it is.

But it's not about stroking my e-peen. It's about putting game developers under pressure to keep raising the bar.

2. It's polished. You don't get stuck on terrain, or have to jump to make it over a 2" curb. I'd love it if we could get some more refinement in this aspect of the game.

That moment when you spawn on the Moon in Crucible and someone's shooting you so you run backwards and... off a cliff. Yes very polished.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah... No.

IDK maybe... It IS better than the other video game communities.

Yeah, I still remember the good old days of Dust, like when you had to pay for a UVT to be able to talk to people in corp chat... good times, good times...

for consoles, mind you. I made sure to point that out in my post. :)

PC community would walk all over us - but then again, they have tools to actually BE a community. All we have is what Dust offers and forums - which is still x10 more then anyone else is offering console communities.

I am one of the biggest haters CCP has - and even I admit Dust is a better game then Destiny.

The problem with grind isn't the grind itself, as literally every game can be called a grind - that's why immersion is so important. It distracts us away from remembering the only thing we're doing is grinding.

In Dust we have the best community and communication tools any console has to offer for any game. For this SOLE reason alone - the grind in Dust is negated. Why? Because you can make a channel, invite literally all your friends, and just talk to them without there being an 8 person limit. You could even use Dust just as a voice tool, switch TV input to PS4 - and talk using PS3 to more then 8 people as you all play together on PS4, or different things.

There's a lot of freedom in channels that offers Dust flexibility, where in Destiny there's no such communication tools - and match making is LOL, as you'll never know if the people with you will be good or diehards.

So you don't have others deflecting the grind from being immediately that - a grind. So what does Destiny offer those who want to be more then casual?


NOTHING.


Where in Dust - if you want to be hardcore - the rewards for the effort really come together. Take my main for example - I'm pretty sure the majority of you would kill to have a toon with that much SP and well placed points. But in Destiny there's no such reward, you just got a slightly cooler model for your gun or helmet, you know, that same helmet and gun everyone else has and took them a whole day to get.

If Dust had PvE there wouldn't be much to talk about except RIP Destiny.

Yeah but people need to realize PC gaming would be nothing without console gaming. Computers used to be unable to handle high quality audio and video. They were just data crunching machines.

It took a showcase of what television screens could really do, how far they really could immerse us into the audio visual experience. They couldn't just sell a computer with video games on it. They had to exploit the television market to really grab the attention of a broader audience.

*sigh* I wonder how many years it will be before we stop living in the real world and replace it with a virtual one. We're already halfway there now. Kids these days don't even socialize without the web. The suburban streets that used to be filled with people are now empty, replaced with cars and telephone lines.

Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait.......

PvP in a shooter is supposed to be a grind.

However PvE is NOT. Mulling over the same 4 maps, checking the same locations for the same items.. is NOT good RPG design. A good adventure RPG is supposed to keep you on your toes, not letting you know what to expect.

In Dust skill is accumulated by the actual time you spend playing. In Destiny it's BASED ON LUCK with time spent being almost irrelevant, because in 2-3 weeks you'll already have the best kind of armor, and you'll realize that's how you level up is by upgrading your armor with ****** RNG based item drops.

Did I mention skill doesn't even matter in PvP unless Bungie feels like releasing the "Iron Banner" because normal Crucible mode has level advantages disabled? Yeah. It's a copy paste of Halo with RPG elements.

It blows my mind that CCP has pretty much abandoned this game on PS4.

people who arent bitter mag vets. the way you guys bromance with each other over that game i'm glad i never played it

i'm glad i never played it

people who arent bitter mag vets. the way you guys bromance with each other over that game i'm glad i never played it

Iron Banner opens up in October, see you there, I am very lucky...