DUST Search - Dust is such a great game compared to Destiny

Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:

DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:

X7 lion wrote:

Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait.......

PvP in a shooter is supposed to be a grind.

However PvE is NOT. Mulling over the same 4 maps, checking the same locations for the same items.. is NOT good RPG design. A good adventure RPG is supposed to keep you on your toes, not letting you know what to expect.

In Dust skill is accumulated by the actual time you spend playing. In Destiny it's BASED ON LUCK with time spent being almost irrelevant, because in 2-3 weeks you'll already have the best kind of armor, and you'll realize that's how you level up is by upgrading your armor with ****** RNG based item drops.

Did I mention skill doesn't even matter in PvP unless Bungie feels like releasing the "Iron Banner" because normal Crucible mode has level advantages disabled? Yeah. It's a copy paste of Halo with RPG elements.

DO remember that's Destiny is a child in age while Dust is 2yo and still going through the same cycle.

Destiny may be able to fulfill their promises fairly quick rather than after 2 years we still don't have everything promised, suits and vehicles mainly. All the while always inevitably leading to nerfing of this and buffing of that. Which is plainly the work BOTH CCP and people like X7 Lion who apparently look at the instant rather than the over time play of a game.

Also don't forget there are more than 4 planets and plenty of stars that Destiny can be working on right now to make better content than Dust has. Dust also started pretty unbalanced and is still going unbalanced all the while going through a repetitive, endless cycle which hasn't been broken for 2 YEARS

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DarthPlagueis TheWise 117	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:08:00 - [1] - Quote Destiny is ***** god awful... It's essentially Mass Effect with 10% of the actual content with some Halo on the side. At least this game is unique, has replay value, almost endless customization, and the matches are actually substantial and take real effort to win. This game rivals Star Wars Battlefront for sake. If it had a fleshed out story it would be even better than SWB. All Destiny is managing to accomplish is making me want to play Mass Effect again... and conning $60 out of me. I probably won't be buying the DLC expansion pass for it. Such a mediocre game... Who designs a RPG with level up based on LUCK!? So what's FOTM?** "Subways Italian Foot Long Sub" - IWS
CLONE OF MANY Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:13:00 - [2] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Destiny is ***** god awful... It's essentially Mass Effect with 10% of the actual content with some Halo on the side. At least this game is unique, has replay value, almost endless customization, and the matches are actually substantial and take real effort to win. This game rivals Star Wars Battlefront for ** sake. If it had a fleshed out story it would be even better than SWB. All Destiny is managing to accomplish is making me want to play Mass Effect again... and conning $60 out of me. I probably won't be buying the DLC expansion pass for it. Such a mediocre game... Who designs a RPG with level up based on LUCK!? INB4 destiny defenders and dust bashers.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 274	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1330	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:52:00 - [4] - Quote X7 lion wrote: Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... Dust causes you to grind for progression & isk. Destiny makes you grind for everything. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Mobius Kaethis molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1905	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:59:00 - [5] - Quote I have to agree. It is a horribly boring game. Now with more evil.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 119	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:59:00 - [6] - Quote X7 lion wrote: Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... PvP in a shooter is supposed to be a grind. However PvE is NOT. Mulling over the same 4 maps, checking the same locations for the same items.. is NOT good RPG design. A good adventure RPG is supposed to keep you on your toes, not letting you know what to expect. In Dust skill is accumulated by the actual time you spend playing. In Destiny it's BASED ON LUCK with time spent being almost irrelevant, because in 2-3 weeks you'll already have the best kind of armor, and you'll realize that's how you level up is by upgrading your armor with **** RNG based item drops. Did I mention skill doesn't even matter in PvP unless Bungie feels like releasing the "Iron Banner" because normal Crucible mode has level advantages disabled? Yeah. It's a copy paste of Halo with RPG elements. So what's FOTM?** "Subways Italian Foot Long Sub" - IWS
Vicious Minotaur 1148	Posted - 2014.09.30 06:59:00 - [7] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: X7 lion wrote: Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... Dust causes you to grind for progression & isk. Destiny makes you grind for everything. What else does DUST have besides "progression & isk?" I am a minotaur.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 119	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:02:00 - [8] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: What else does DUST have besides "progression & isk?" Content. Dust has more classes, more skills, more weapons, more depth. For ** sake Destiny doesn't even have more maps or areas to explore than Dust does. Destiny doesn't even have a vehicle mode, just those random ass ones you get in, kill with, and blow up just like in Halo. It actually has less vehicles than Halo did. So what's FOTM?** "Subways Italian Foot Long Sub" - IWS
Ablerober Sea of Sin 148	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:17:00 - [9] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Destiny is ***** god awful... It's essentially Mass Effect with 10% of the actual content with some Halo on the side. At least this game is unique, has replay value, almost endless customization, and the matches are actually substantial and take real effort to win. This game rivals Star Wars Battlefront for ** sake. If it had a fleshed out story it would be even better than SWB. All Destiny is managing to accomplish is making me want to play Mass Effect again... and conning $60 out of me. I probably won't be buying the DLC expansion pass for it. Such a mediocre game... Who designs a RPG with level up based on LUCK!? I don't know why everyone keeps comparing Dustiny. Destiny isn't all that, while Dust keeps dragging me back for more haha
Vicious Minotaur 1148	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:18:00 - [10] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: What else does DUST have besides "progression & isk?" Content. Dust has more classes, more skills, more weapons, more depth. For ** sake Destiny doesn't even have more maps or areas to explore than Dust does. Destiny doesn't even have a vehicle mode, just those random ass ones you get in, kill ** with, and blow up just like in Halo. It actually has less vehicles than Halo did. Content that you, more or less, have to grind for. You grind to get content and you grind to get isk to use that content... which is to say, like Destiny, you grind for everything But not like it matters. People like different things (surprising, I know). I fail to see the point of this thread. You like DUST, and not Destiny? Congrats. Want an oatmeal-raisin cookie moonlighting as a chocolate chip cookie or something? Or would you prefer a Destiny-hating circle jerk? Or perhaps a levelheaded discussion of a game on a completely unrelated forum? I am a minotaur.

DarthPlagueis TheWise 119	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:38:00 - [11] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Or would you prefer a Destiny-hating circle jerk? Or perhaps a levelheaded discussion of a game on a completely unrelated forum? Try doing that on the Bungie forum. You'll be welcomed by an angry mob of fanboys. Or your post will get completely ignored because it's built more like Twitter than an actual forum. Grinding is what RPGs are made for. Stop trying to say grinding is the probem. If I decide to replay Mass Effect I will happily grind through wave upon wave of Geth because there are endless ways to explore the universe while you do so. Dust is like that except where it shines is the character customization which is nearly endless. The only thing Destiny outperforms the rest with is... uh... fancy graphics and flashy ** I guess? Ablerober wrote:** I don't know why everyone keeps comparing Dustiny. Destiny isn't all that, while Dust keeps dragging me back for more haha They're both scifi shooters. destiny sux
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 116	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:45:00 - [12] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: X7 lion wrote: Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... PvP in a shooter is supposed to be a grind. However PvE is NOT. Mulling over the same 4 maps, checking the same locations for the same items.. is NOT good RPG design. A good adventure RPG is supposed to keep you on your toes, not letting you know what to expect. In Dust skill is accumulated by the actual time you spend playing. In Destiny it's BASED ON LUCK with time spent being almost irrelevant, because in 2-3 weeks you'll already have the best kind of armor, and you'll realize that's how you level up is by upgrading your armor with **** RNG based item drops. Did I mention skill doesn't even matter in PvP unless Bungie feels like releasing the "Iron Banner" because normal Crucible mode has level advantages disabled? Yeah. It's a copy paste of Halo with RPG elements. DO remember that's Destiny is a child in age while Dust is 2yo and still going through the same cycle. Destiny may be able to fulfill their promises fairly quick rather than after 2 years we still don't have everything promised, suits and vehicles mainly. All the while always inevitably leading to nerfing of this and buffing of that. Which is plainly the work BOTH CCP and people like X7 Lion who apparently look at the instant rather than the over time play of a game. Also don't forget there are more than 4 planets and plenty of stars that Destiny can be working on right now to make better content than Dust has. Dust also started pretty unbalanced and is still going unbalanced all the while going through a repetitive, endless cycle which hasn't been broken for 2 YEARS** Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 133	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:48:00 - [13] - Quote Someone from closed beta told me I needed to "git gud" back in Chromosome. That's why I haven't left. I'm staying until they shut down the servers or I finally realize the goal of that helpful tryhard. He was trying to be helpful, right? Anyway. I was going to rag on Destiny for the OHK pistol, that "golden gun" thingamabob, but being as we just got the bolt pistol I thought that might be too ironic, for scouts at least.
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 116	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:50:00 - [14] - Quote Orphan Shadow wrote: Someone from closed beta told me I needed to "git gud" back in Chromosome. That's why I haven't left. I'm staying until they shut down the servers or I finally realize the goal of that helpful tryhard. He was trying to be helpful, right? Anyway. I was going to rag on Destiny for the OHK pistol, that "golden gun" thingamabob, but being as we just got the bolt pistol I thought that might be too ironic, for scouts at least. Lol can I paint it gold? Edit: It takes about 2- all 3 shots to kill the tough ones. Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 988	Posted - 2014.09.30 07:52:00 - [15] - Quote Just because one pile of turd is bigger than the other doesn't make the smaller of the two piles a diamond. There's a reason project Legion is even a thing. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1819	Posted - 2014.09.30 08:27:00 - [16] - Quote Are console kiddies really so naive? Every time the Hype Train comes along promoting some new generic FPS and how "This FPS is going to be THE BEST EVER" Every time the hype train goes into overdrive, the game ends up being mediocre with a few flashy features. Titanfall, Destiny, etc etc... the list goes on and on. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1332	Posted - 2014.09.30 08:29:00 - [17] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: X7 lion wrote: Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... PvP in a shooter is supposed to be a grind. However PvE is NOT. Mulling over the same 4 maps, checking the same locations for the same items.. is NOT good RPG design. A good adventure RPG is supposed to keep you on your toes, not letting you know what to expect. In Dust skill is accumulated by the actual time you spend playing. In Destiny it's BASED ON LUCK with time spent being almost irrelevant, because in 2-3 weeks you'll already have the best kind of armor, and you'll realize that's how you level up is by upgrading your armor with **** RNG based item drops. Did I mention skill doesn't even matter in PvP unless Bungie feels like releasing the "Iron Banner" because normal Crucible mode has level advantages disabled? Yeah. It's a copy paste of Halo with RPG elements. DO remember that's Destiny is a child in age while Dust is 2yo and still going through the same cycle. Destiny may be able to fulfill their promises fairly quick rather than after 2 years we still don't have everything promised, suits and vehicles mainly. All the while always inevitably leading to nerfing of this and buffing of that. Which is plainly the work BOTH CCP and people like X7 Lion who apparently look at the instant rather than the over time play of a game. Also don't forget there are more than 4 planets and plenty of stars that Destiny can be working on right now to make better content than Dust has. Dust also started pretty unbalanced and is still going unbalanced all the while going through a repetitive, endless cycle which hasn't been broken for 2 YEARS For a second I thought Destiny was tied to EA rather than activision... and I started having flashbacks to warhammer online... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.09.30 10:24:00 - [18] - Quote I won't bother debating the pros and cons of each title. Different games appeal to different people, for different reasons. To come onto the forums for one game to either bash or promote another is little more than pointless trolling. We all know where such a discussion will lead, so why bother? It's not necessary to rationalize your gaming choices to the internet community. Like one game better than the other? Good for you. Go play it, because I doubt anyone else really cares why. Also, I never really understood this "one or the other" mentality that gamers have, either. They're games, you're not married to them. You ARE allowed to play with more than one at a time. Don't worry, Dust won't get jealous if you spend some time with another game, I promise!
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3389	Posted - 2014.09.30 10:26:00 - [19] - Quote There both just as bad as each other im looking to ubisoft who are at least exploring new ground in there games rainbow six siege looks CS on steroids. Tbh dispite there stuiped drm policy which they are getting over i cant fault there games, and then have proven to take risks and learn from the results You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Appia Vibbia 3801	Posted - 2014.09.30 10:30:00 - [20] - Quote Both promised one thing upon release. Both were drastically lacking. Both have 99% of the game's lore offsite. How many people have actually read all the grimoire cards? How many people have read all the DUST fiction? Both have gear that determines the victor. Destiny's weapon's godstats are Rate of Fire and Impact, higher rarity weapons have higher of the two stats, legendary gear-which only lvl20s can use- will always out perform common, uncommon, and rare gear. DUST has FotM, Dropsuit Upgrades tree that provides permanent bonuses, and SP disparity. I Spent a bunch of money on both games, expecting it to be more than what I got because that's what they said they would provide. Personal Theme Song

Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 999	Posted - 2014.09.30 10:54:00 - [21] - Quote A skilled player in Dust can use militia gear and kill players using proto gear. Can low level gear kill high level gear in Destiny? I honestly don't know as that game had always looked stupid and childish to me but I am curious about the difference in gear strength. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2677	Posted - 2014.09.30 11:31:00 - [22] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: X7 lion wrote: Apparently destiny is really grindy & repetitive unlike dust... oh wait....... Dust causes you to grind for progression & isk. Destiny makes you grind for everything. What else does DUST have besides "progression & isk?" Sycophants. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
castba Merc-0107 603	Posted - 2014.09.30 11:44:00 - [23] - Quote It would be nice if Dust controlled like Destiny does. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5371	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:24:00 - [24] - Quote Why are you sh*t-talking Mass Effect? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16937	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:35:00 - [25] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Are console kiddies really so naive? Every time the Hype Train comes along promoting some new generic FPS and how "This FPS is going to be THE BEST EVER" Every time the hype train goes into overdrive, the game ends up being mediocre with a few flashy features. Titanfall, Destiny, etc etc... the list goes on and on. At least titan fall delivered on its feel at the start. Just gets boring after a while. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 64	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: A skilled player in Dust can use militia gear and kill players using proto gear. Can low level gear kill high level gear in Destiny? I honestly don't know as that game had always looked stupid and childish to me but I am curious about the difference in gear strength. In regular multiplayer game modes, while you still use your regular character, certain aspects, such as Damage and Defence ratings are "normalized" to level the playing field and ensure balanced gameplay. However, there is also a multiplayer mode called "Iron Banner", in which this "normalization" is turned off, and all stats and gear advantages apply.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 124	Posted - 2014.09.30 13:52:00 - [27] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Why are you sht-talking Mass Effect? I was PRAISING Mass Effect. Read what I said again, idiot, and this time with some reading comprehension. The game was made 7 years ago and far outshines Destiny. Appia Vibbia wrote:* Both have gear that determines the victor. Destiny's weapon's godstats are Rate of Fire and Impact, higher rarity weapons have higher of the two stats, legendary gear-which only lvl20s can use- will always out perform common, uncommon, and rare gear. DUST has FotM, Dropsuit Upgrades tree that provides permanent bonuses, and SP disparity. That's hardly true at all. The only difference exotic and legendary weapons will have in the crucible are insignificant things like granting "invisibility" when you aim down a sniper scope or like sustained fire increasing accuracy that REALLY aren't that great. http://youtu.be/zq8Pcl4GtBc?t=2m20s Legendary weapons (for those of you who don't know, are the second best kind) are just as good as the exotics and have most of the same upgrades, and even the next step down Rare will have some of the more decent ones. These are VERY small differences that you can unlock through only a couple weeks of gameplay. What really matters in that game's PvP are the class skills that you level up like the Bladedancer that everyone cries about on the internet saying it's OP. And again you can unlock ALL of these skills within three weeks of playing the game. And Appia honey... I hate to break this to you but each weapon has very well balanced RoF and Impact so that no gun is really outperforming any other. They just got done nerfing the AR's range, which actually WAS a "god stat" so I'm pretty sure there's no other way to exploit PvP right now except by quick scoping and maxing out your super charge (which is again, easy to achieve.) Dust makes you appreciate the skills each class offers much, much more by making you EARN them. Some people might not like this exceptionally slow progression but don't ***** kid yourselves, you wouldn't BE HERE if you didn't like it. Quote:** It would be nice if Dust controlled like Destiny does. You have a point there. The DS4 really handles nicely with that game compared to Dust. But I think as long as you are setting your sensitivity in Dust a little lower than the default you'll be fine. It really is a nice change of pace not to have Scouts dancing in circles around my Sentinel, I'll give you that. Instead people just jump around each other or rush in kamikaze. destiny sux
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 4800	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:05:00 - [28] - Quote I believe Dust failed at pushing the team aspect. I don't think Uprising should have been released when it was. I believe not releasing a low risk team deploy alongside planetary conquest was something that set Dust back. If there would have been thousands of players involved in planetary conquest as well as a more vibrant FW system I think Dust would be a much more popular game. Instead the mechanics of planetary conquest catered to the most elite players in Dust and widened the gap between the best players and the casual players. This led to horrible experiences in public matches because there was simply nothing else for the elite players to do. It would be like the releasing null and low sec players into high sec without Concord. I think CCP did a horrible job marketing the game, but releasing it too early really set them back in that area. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
DarthPlagueis TheWise 128	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:13:00 - [29] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I believe Dust failed at pushing the team aspect. I don't think Uprising should have been released when it was. sees first sentence and does not read text wall Bro, Dust did EXCELLENT compared to Destiny. There isn't even a team chat! There isn't a way to join Clans without logging onto Bungie.net! The teams are half the size and the maps are 1/5 the size! destiny sux
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 4802	Posted - 2014.09.30 14:36:00 - [30] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I believe Dust failed at pushing the team aspect. I don't think Uprising should have been released when it was. sees first sentence and does not read text wall Bro, Dust did EXCELLENT compared to Destiny. There isn't even a team chat! There isn't a way to join Clans without logging onto Bungie.net! The teams are half the size and the maps are 1/5 the size! I failed to compare Dust to Destiny. I am only saying this is where I believe they missed out. Perhaps they had more envisioned and the failings of Uprising derailed things miserably. I think you only have to pull up team chat to look at 80-90% of teams made up of solo players to see evidence of this. When you factor in that a lot of those solo players are new to the game it's easy to see why there is a constant rotation of new players in Dust, but the overall number of players logging in is not increasing. Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42



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