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Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 158	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:29:00 - [1] - Quote Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1292	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:30:00 - [2] - Quote They're cheaper at least. DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 447	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:30:00 - [3] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. What is the drop ships role exactly?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3387	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:40:00 - [4] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: What is the drop ships role exactly? Invulnerable flying slayer-god... apparently. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
castba Merc-0107 595	Posted - 2014.09.25 12:41:00 - [5] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. What is the drop ships role exactly? Further to this, what would the OP recommend changing to? "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3117	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:05:00 - [6] - Quote I disapprove of this message. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
rpastry The Rainbow Effect 235	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:08:00 - [7] - Quote thread of fail [Removed ASCII Art - CCP Logibro]
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 137	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:14:00 - [8] - Quote They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1594	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:32:00 - [9] - Quote I'd like to go back up a bit with the skill, to either 5% to 7% as Derrith suggested in feedback. Big thing that needs to be done is change heat build-up on railguns. 7 shots is pretty worthless. If you have constructive feedback, it would be appreciated. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
John ShepardIII Murphys-Law 649	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:34:00 - [10] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey Lol hell no. I have an ads with Xts and the works and I still say no The True Shepard.

axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 341	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:37:00 - [11] - Quote Nope We won't follow the deceiver. You let this be your warning. The path of the wretched is burning..
fish sticks24 THE DREADED ONES 1	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:41:00 - [12] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working. Ads pilots always loose dropship but being taken down from infantry but swarms which need no skill is not the smartest. -fishing for blood-
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 341	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:45:00 - [13] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working. Ads pilots always loose dropship but being taken down from infantry but swarms which need no skill is not the smartest. But it does take alot of skill points to actually make it effective. If I'm putting a fuk load of sp into something it better effin work. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 589	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:55:00 - [14] - Quote aggressively rolls eyes Only Dust player with all Proto Weapons Prof 1. 19/19. Pilot, Slayer, Logibro, Heavy, Scout, Tanker, AV'er. Everything.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 701	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:05:00 - [15] - Quote axis alpha wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working. Ads pilots always loose dropship but being taken down from infantry but swarms which need no skill is not the smartest. But it does take alot of skill points to actually make it effective. If I'm putting a fuk load of sp into something it better effin work. try skilling the min scout... you need at least 10 mil sp to make it viable, and it still is the worst scout suit Nerf my heavy suit, its so OP its UP
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1538	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:06:00 - [16] - Quote It's amazing how some people think ADS' are heavy aircraft. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
valad II NoGameNoLife 90	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:21:00 - [17] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 LOL 1/10 I am sorry CCP Crippled your toy. Ofcourse you want a broken mechanic back such as stacking skills to increase rate of fire. And you deserve it. Yesterday all I ran was Logi with Wyrokmoi (sp) Swarms, sat on 6 nanohives. It seemed like there were more dropships out than normal. Like the pilots didn't believe their sh!t had just got pushed in. Thank you CCP. I think in one match there was a total of 4-5 dropships I downed. Swarms should be a sidearm so that everyone can shoot a dropship down, it is quite fun.
valad II NoGameNoLife 90	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:23:00 - [18] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working. Ads pilots always loose dropship but being taken down from infantry but swarms which need no skill is not the smartest. Then become a better pilot. There is a saying that is always being thrown around in DUST,,,"Situational Awareness".
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 48	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:24:00 - [19] - Quote he is right though. I watched as a armor ads with max skills, proto rail turret and gunner attacked a militia shield tank and the tanker was in my squad was laughing due to he had no vehicle skills and using militia mods drove from the reds redline to our back ground to get away and the ads could NOT KILL HIM?! umm. ads are assault dropships made to attack vehicles and ground units. so if a militia shield tank with no skills can live what chance does it have against a full skill tanker? you over heat after 7-8 shots with max ads skills and that is with a gunner.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 138	Posted - 2014.09.25 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote fish sticks24 wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working. Ads pilots always loose dropship but being taken down from infantry but swarms which need no skill is not the smartest. Doesn't matter if it takes skill or not the AV weapons are meant to kill vehicles. If skill=most damage then Plasma Cannons pre-delta would be one-hit-kill on ADS. Swarm launchers have the ever so obvious downside of being easy to spot once they fire and being absolutely useless to infantry unless they are hugging a vehicle. One vehicle shouldn't be a cure all for everything and as I've told tankers a dozen times if you play careful and don't rush into the middle of a battle you could do wonders.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2128	Posted - 2014.09.25 15:40:00 - [21] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 452	Posted - 2014.09.25 15:47:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 139	Posted - 2014.09.25 15:50:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Yes because being near immune to all small arms fire with the only things able to kill you being one of three AV weapons which have limited use against infantry, a tank that can barely aim up, or installation turrets with a massive blindspot and short range clearly indicates that infantry have an easy job killing ADS.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2128	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:24:00 - [24] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while. They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2128	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:25:00 - [25] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Yes because being near immune to all small arms fire with the only things able to kill you being one of three AV weapons which have limited use against infantry, a tank that can barely aim up, or installation turrets with a massive blindspot and short range clearly indicates that infantry have an easy job killing ADS. Ever seen video of Taliban firing their rifles at an Abrams tank? You know what happens? Absolutely nothing, as has happened since the beginning of tank warfare in WWI. That's exactly how it should be. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 141	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:31:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Yes because being near immune to all small arms fire with the only things able to kill you being one of three AV weapons which have limited use against infantry, a tank that can barely aim up, or installation turrets with a massive blindspot and short range clearly indicates that infantry have an easy job killing ADS. Ever seen video of Taliban firing their rifles at an Abrams tank? You know what happens? Absolutely nothing, as has happened since the beginning of tank warfare in WWI. That's exactly how it should be. You are immune to a vast majority of the weapons in the game and yet you whine and moan when the only AV weapons that can kill you have a VERY SLOW charge/lock succeed. And besides we are talking about ADS not tanks
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 453	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:32:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while. They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win. Aside from 4 people shooting AV at you or another tank you were invulnerable so please stop talking ****. I put down 12 proxies and watched a tank roll over them. So what did I do wrong? Also no one has a problem pushing you back to the redline cos you just sit in it.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3613	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:35:00 - [28] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: axis alpha wrote: fish sticks24 wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: They aren't meant to be immortal. If AV kills a dropship that means something is working. Ads pilots always loose dropship but being taken down from infantry but swarms which need no skill is not the smartest. But it does take alot of skill points to actually make it effective. If I'm putting a fuk load of sp into something it better effin work. try skilling the min scout... you need at least 10 mil sp to make it viable, and it still is the worst scout suit Can confirm.
valad II NoGameNoLife 99	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:38:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Yes because being near immune to all small arms fire with the only things able to kill you being one of three AV weapons which have limited use against infantry, a tank that can barely aim up, or installation turrets with a massive blindspot and short range clearly indicates that infantry have an easy job killing ADS. Ever seen video of Taliban firing their rifles at an Abrams tank? You know what happens? Absolutely nothing, as has happened since the beginning of tank warfare in WWI. That's exactly how it should be. Thats kinda funny, because I fluxed a dropship that was low flying and killed it with a Kali rail rifle in WWI.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:49:00 - [30] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Yes because being near immune to all small arms fire with the only things able to kill you being one of three AV weapons which have limited use against infantry, a tank that can barely aim up, or installation turrets with a massive blindspot and short range clearly indicates that infantry have an easy job killing ADS. Ever seen video of Taliban firing their rifles at an Abrams tank? You know what happens? Absolutely nothing, as has happened since the beginning of tank warfare in WWI. That's exactly how it should be. You are immune to a vast majority of the weapons in the game and yet you whine and moan when the only AV weapons that can kill you have a VERY SLOW charge/lock succeed. And besides we are talking about ADS not tanks Slow charge, eh? IAFG has base 3 second charge, which is reduced by the passive skill bonus. Swarms have 1.4 second (much shorter than the forge, also fire and forget) lock on timer, which is reduced by the passive skill bonus. Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:50:00 - [31] - Quote I was in a dom yesterday, sniping from [REDACTED] on Fracture Road, and I watched seven - SEVEN - redberries loose swarms on a Python simultaneously. The smoke trails from their missiles blotted out the sun. The Python crashed in the shade. Delta just dropped, Swarms vs. ADS is the thing of the minute. After a few matches, I was indeed seeing a lot of new snipers trying the rifle. I literally took two guys off the same rooftop twice each, but I couldn't see their uplink from my vantage point, so when one of them came in a third time, I popped him again. I saw them in the killfeed with the STD rifle and the NT-511 respectively. Just like Swarms, a lot of people are trying it because it's newly buffed. They'll find that sniping isn't so easy and they'll go back to being regular infantry whining about snipers. All these new swarmers will find themselves still ineffective alone without Wyrkomis on a Minmandong, and pilots will find that they're not facing 7 swarmers at once anymore and they'll still be largely immortal as they can still GTFO with near impunity, they just have to wait longer before coming back. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 - [32] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while. They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win. Aside from 4 people shooting AV at you or another tank you were invulnerable so please stop talking ****. I put down 12 proxies and watched a tank roll over them. So what did I do wrong? Also no one has a problem pushing you back to the redline cos you just sit in it. Oh yeah, you know me so well that I camp the redline every game with a railgun. Also, 12 proxies? Didn't they have their damage increased? Let's go with their base of 750, because I don't have the game on. 750 x 12 = 9000 damage. I think I just shut that down right there. Don't forget, it's explosive, so it does increased damage against armor. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 13	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 - [33] - Quote oh wow this is dumb thred i wont sign this peitiot because ds pilots have bo problems sitting in their cockpits all day lol why pls join i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:53:00 - [34] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle?
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2665	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:53:00 - [35] - Quote Random Redberry wrote: oh wow this is dumb thred i wont sign this peitiot because ds pilots have bo problems sitting in their cockpits all day lol why pls join If you take strawberries and stew them like cabbage they taste more like mangoes than rutabagas do. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 13	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:54:00 - [36] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? michael jackson did in a song once it went like "doesnt matter if youre but rifle shoud do damage to vehicle wow heehee" i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:55:00 - [37] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: I was in a dom yesterday, sniping from [REDACTED] on Fracture Road, and I watched seven - SEVEN - redberries loose swarms on a Python simultaneously. The smoke trails from their missiles blotted out the sun. The Python crashed in the shade. Delta just dropped, Swarms vs. ADS is the thing of the minute. After a few matches, I was indeed seeing a lot of new snipers trying the rifle. I literally took two guys off the same rooftop twice each, but I couldn't see their uplink from my vantage point, so when one of them came in a third time, I popped him again. I saw them in the killfeed with the STD rifle and the NT-511 respectively. Just like Swarms, a lot of people are trying it because it's newly buffed. They'll find that sniping isn't so easy and they'll go back to being regular infantry whining about snipers. All these new swarmers will find themselves still ineffective alone without Wyrkomis on a Minmandong, and pilots will find that they're not facing 7 swarmers at once anymore and they'll still be largely immortal as they can still GTFO with near impunity, they just have to wait longer before coming back. Really now? The third volley is guaranteed to hit, unless there's people on the ground to witness the first volley leaving to tell the pilot to GTFO. Swarms are still invisible at least half the time, you don't hear them approaching sometimes, and rendering is still abysmal, giving AV infantry a huge advantage. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:56:00 - [38] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:58:00 - [39] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3690	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:59:00 - [40] - Quote Hint: If you want to start a petition, it usually helps if the community actually agrees with you first. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:00:00 - [41] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER. Considering you only have 43 likes, you haven't been here long. Read what I said again. Infantry did a while back. If you haven't been lurking for at least a year, you wouldn't've seen it. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1541	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:17:00 - [42] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while. They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win. Uhm, probably has more to do with you being a sh!tty tanker. I mean, you're the guy that's been getting killed by militia swarms since open beta; even after they where nerfed in damage and only could fire 2 volleys before having to reload, damage mods were nerfed, and tanks were buffed all in 1.7. You came on here complaining about getting killed by militia swarms. Also loved how one sided your advise was. To paraphrase "If you AV guys want to be able to take out one guy in a tank you've got to use teamwork; the fact that the tanker doesn't have to use teamwork is completely irrelevant". Your whole arguement revolved around "it's a tank, one infantryman shouldn't be able to take it down even with weapons specifically designed to do that" which completely ignores the fact that a single infantryman has been able to take out tanks since WW2. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:20:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Really now? The third volley is guaranteed to hit, unless there's people on the ground to witness the first volley leaving to tell the pilot to GTFO. Swarms are still invisible at least half the time, you don't hear them approaching sometimes, and rendering is still abysmal, giving AV infantry a huge advantage. And with 3x Complex damage mods, I connected with three volleys from a Wyrkomi Swarm and failed to kill a Python. He DID stop harassing me, but he didn't die. This was also in a dom match where I was tower sniping. Same match, I downed an Incubus who had fled from another swarmer and had the bad luck to flee right into my range. I opened fire when he started hovering well away from the main fighting, presumably waiting out his AB cooldown, and his armor was not yet fully repped. Took two volleys, the first surprised him and the second he wasn't fast enough to flee from without the AB. Sucked to be him. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1542	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:24:00 - [44] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER. Considering you only have 43 likes, you haven't been here long. Read what I said again. Infantry did a while back. If you haven't been lurking for at least a year, you wouldn't've seen it. I've never seen a serious demand from infantry for rifles to be a serious threat to vehicles and I've been here since January of open beta. Now I have seen plenty of tanker troll threads along the lines of "hur, hur, my AR can't kill a tank, buff AR and nerf tanks hur, hur"; some of which where from you if I recall correctly. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 982	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:28:00 - [45] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. In other words, you want the most OP weapon in the game back to its openly-acknowledged-as-being-broken self. Yeah...how's about "no" sound? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:32:00 - [46] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER. Considering you only have 43 likes, you haven't been here long. Read what I said again. Infantry did a while back. If you haven't been lurking for at least a year, you wouldn't've seen it. Irrelevant. Just because I don't have a ton of posts, or don't have a ton of likes, doesn't mean I haven't been watching. In fact, I've been here, under one name or another, since beta. But I'll tell you what, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since I don't read every single post in every sub-forum. It is entirely possible that some idiot may have actually posted something that stupid, and I just missed it. So prove it: provide a link, or stop arguing about crazy nonsense. Again, I don't think there is a single person on here, AV OR pilot, that has SERIOUSLY claimed that a RIFLE should be a threat to a vehicle, and if they did, I completely agree that they are stupid. Either way, just because ONE crazy idiot might have posted such nonsense, doesn't mean that all (or even ANY other) AV player is asking for that, so please stop claiming that they are.
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 222	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:37:00 - [47] - Quote No just no, ADS should stayed nerfed for a few years for the damage they've done. Take your time CCP, we're in no hurry. Let us enjoy the clear skies for some time. If you really wanna still try something, use the REGULAR dropships with Gunners. Proud member of Glitched Connection
Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 129	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:38:00 - [48] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: It's amazing how some people think ADS' are heavy aircraft. They think their ADS should be like the old black ops tanks... And i think dropships should be left how they are, a dam viper pilot with 1 gunner on a militia missile was devastating my team. Also I was against an ADS pilot using a blaster and he strafed through my squad killing my logi and almost had me also. Then when I tried to swarm him he hit his ABs and launched left and my swarms couldn't turn fast enough to get him followed by killing me. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 281	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:03:00 - [49] - Quote .... Wow, this is Vietnam. IGÇÖm scared to let my ***** hang around here too long. Well, Gabriella... heck, the two of us DID talk about this in your other recent thread.... Tons of Variables. Posters here are coincidentally highlighting the variables RIGHT THERE in their own replies, and they still arenGÇÖt recognizing them. I see GÇ£AV-captainGÇ¥ still stumping around the deck, fist-waving and vowing his dying blood to have the right to shoot down that cursed White Whale. IGÇÖm reading the GÇ£Fighter jockGÇ¥ believing in nine-G turns to shake the MiG heat seeker off his six as dreamt of, and cursing the swarmer-turn nerf for not yet allowing him his fantasy (... weGÇÖre NOT all equally as good in tight DS work as we THINK we areGÇöthere ARE going to be some ability-differences in us GÇ£good pilotsGÇ¥ that little AV tweaks like this will expose (admit it to ourselves or not; itGÇÖs ok--itGÇÖs not a crime!). I see this thread growing 5 more pages by Saturday... like the Uprising 1.2 debates. Ohhhh! AVGÇÖers and Vehicle players really should be on the SAME SIDE of this argument! LOL, we both want the same thing: When my opponent shows up and takes a crack at me, I want to have just a tad enough fight-time (just a reasonable extra 20 seconds or so) to settle the dispute with one of us being killed, and to not have one of us required to FLEE; ThatGÇÖs what we got into shooting games for, to fantasy-KILL one of the gunfighters, not for one of us to shooo away or be shooo-ed. Both Vehicle AND AV players ought to be asking CCP to relent and give these GÇ£two infamous gunslinging enemiesGÇ¥ a tad more time to GÇ£do their street duelGÇ¥. In the meantime, there IS still a GÇ£pilot stackingGÇ¥ exploit problem out there that I donGÇÖt THINK will be successfully addressed by this RoF change,... so... Gabriella, I have no objection to seeing the RoF be returned to its former numbers. It actually should give ADS drivers more confidence to linger longer and get that last turret round to land right in the Swarm LauncherGÇÖs ear---- ---and a DS being tempted to linger longer will give the Swarm Launcher an opponent who can give him a better crack at a decisive kill. ... GÇ£Come-onnn, you know you WAANNIT. We both do!GÇ¥ LOL. Jeez, donGÇÖt we realize thereGÇÖs a potential gain here for BOTH enemies? And letGÇÖs resolve that Pilot Stacking issue another way. Please? ItGÇÖs darned important also. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3716	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:09:00 - [50] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: AVGÇÖers and Vehicle players really should be on the SAME SIDE of this argument! LOL, we both want the same thing: When my opponent shows up and takes a crack at me, I want to have just a tad enough fight-time (just a reasonable extra 20 seconds or so) to settle the dispute with one of us being killed I fully agree with this. If someone has a proposal for this, that enables either the ADS or the AV to win, I am entirely for that. But most claims I've seen have been that the ADS should always be able to survive an encounter with an AV user and escape, and that isn't something I can agree with. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16702	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:12:00 - [51] - Quote I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2139	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:16:00 - [52] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. SP/Level or player skill? To clarify, you want a purely numbers based approach to rebalance? Dust was real! I was there!
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 796	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:38:00 - [53] - Quote as long as us swarm guys get our damage and range back as well as changing proficiency to general damage increas enot jsut to armour Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 986	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:55:00 - [54] - Quote Too many stupid posts on both sides. Gabriella Grey, ADS don't necessarily need their ROF back to fix their impotency against other vehicles. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 703	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:57:00 - [55] - Quote You hear that? Sounds like whinning! DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:05:00 - [56] - Quote Thanks always for your insight CELESTA! The funny thing is this thread was started on the Turret RoF for the dropship, and not anything else. As it stands, AV, HAV, and LAV's can engage dropships but dropships can not engage them back. Iron Wolf I would love to make a nice chart for this but I don't for CCP. And I do not mean this in a negative way. From what it looks like to me CCP just wants this game to stay around and will adjust things according despite it causing balancing issues. There will always be a, "Flavor of the Month," because their goal is just that. Every bit of feedback myself and many others have been giving is being over looked. Perhaps silence on what needs to be done for balance is the best answer. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:09:00 - [57] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Too many stupid posts on both sides. Gabriella Grey, ADS don't necessarily need their ROF back to fix their impotency against other vehicles. No that isn't the only way, though it is the best efficient way without upsetting the other parameters that currently are around or doing major overhauls to the game as an entirety. CCP can fix this as Rattati stated. They can go in and change something not working in no time. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:29:00 - [58] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 ACT1ON BASTARD Dergle CELESTA AUNGM The answer is NO..... Its a FPS, get a gun scrub. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Mejt0 The Only Survivor. 469	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:35:00 - [59] - Quote They did good. Ads pre delta were shooting with rails like from rifle. Missiles were also stream of rockets from python. Atleast you can now scary, even destroy dropships with proper swarms. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 597	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:49:00 - [60] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Hint: If you want to start a petition, it usually helps if the community actually agrees with you first. 2nd Hint: It would also help if other people in your group didn't think you're whining and crying because your Flying Tank was balanced. Only Dust player with all Proto Weapons Prof 1. 19/19. Pilot, Slayer, Logibro, Heavy, Scout, Tanker, AV'er. Everything.

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1239	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:53:00 - [61] - Quote the only pilots really affected are the ones who haven't learned contour flying and just AB straight up at the sound of SL AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1239	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:57:00 - [62] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: I'd like to go back up a bit with the skill, to either 5% to 7% as Derrith suggested in feedback. Big thing that needs to be done is change heat build-up on railguns. 7 shots is pretty worthless. If you have constructive feedback, it would be appreciated. ikr.. 100% to rof was ridiculous but so is over nerfing the system where it becomes redundant so they can sweep the issue under the rug and sht on everyone who wasted points on it. they obviously didnt learn anything with the complex damage mod nerf/rebuff, AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Zindorak 1.U.P 947	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:59:00 - [63] - Quote Sign my name! I hate cowering from noskillsscrubswarms Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3255	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:05:00 - [64] - Quote It really is not a Legit Vehicle QQ thread, without Spkr stamp of approval Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3255	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:18:00 - [65] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. In regards, to Hard Counters (Fundamental Roles etc) Yes. As for soft counters like: Suit frames, tanking, weapon profile, and many other things No. Dust is a different FPS yes and the whole meta of rock, paper, scissors, Spark, and Lizard... etc makes the game interesting. However, player skill in positioning, movement, and aiming needs to be weighted as well. We're not rolling for kills here... Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.25 23:25:00 - [66] - Quote Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 ACT1ON BASTARD Dergle CELESTA AUNGM Zindorak *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 49	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:44:00 - [67] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. I I watched as a armor ads with max skills, proto rail turret and gunner attacked a militia shield tank and the tanker was in my squad was laughing due to he had no vehicle skills and using militia mods drove from the reds redline to our back ground to get away and the ads could NOT KILL HIM?! umm. ads are assault dropships made to attack vehicles and ground units. so if a militia shield tank with no skills can live what chance does it have against a full skill tanker? you over heat after 7-8 shots with max ads skills and that is with a gunner. so why take away a skill that does nothing?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5130	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:48:00 - [68] - Quote lolpetitions EVE 21 Day Trial
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 463	Posted - 2014.09.26 00:50:00 - [69] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. Not to burst your bubble but is with or without small weapons fire from the dropship? Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3312	Posted - 2014.09.26 02:24:00 - [70] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Yes because being near immune to all small arms fire with the only things able to kill you being one of three AV weapons which have limited use against infantry, a tank that can barely aim up, or installation turrets with a massive blindspot and short range clearly indicates that infantry have an easy job killing ADS. Ever seen video of Taliban firing their rifles at an Abrams tank? You know what happens? Absolutely nothing, as has happened since the beginning of tank warfare in WWI. That's exactly how it should be. You ever see what a 280mm cannon does to a structure? but when I drop OBs **** still survies fairly well, thing is I don't cry about not being strong enough jace that person could always be a bad pilot, anecdotal evidence should be avoided for a logical arguement, for an emotional or ethical one it's fine. Reg, you're on the ball. on both statements Resistance and all ADS pilots 5% sure, OR as long as there's no plain damage bonus that ADSes provide, 10% even would be reasonable I'd like to see a high ROF, because you're going to reload more often and resupply more if you have higher ROF which allows for higher DPS, and a 15% reload bonus, would be reasonable and once 100% is reached (Skill Stacking) the math would go screwy making the reload either instaenous or make the DS explode into a singularity.... http://evil-guide.tripod.com/

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2433	Posted - 2014.09.26 03:25:00 - [71] - Quote John ShepardIII wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey Lol hell no. I have an ads with Xts and the works and I still say no I've said this hundreds of times since Open Beta about dropships and people can't wrap their minds around it. Let's find a popular Cult Movie to explain. Rambo First Blood. When Rambo is sitting there fighting a Helicopter with Trained sharpshooters having an aerial view and Rambo is stuck in the Forest with just a gun with a few bullets... Or even a Hunting knife i think? Rambo and the Helicopter with trained sharpshooters and high powered weaponry are still able to stand off and have a meaningful fire fight where the Helicopter takes alot of hits and Rambo gets shot at alot(He is the hero so he can't be shot) Dust has never had it so a Super Human Dropsuit and a Troop transporter with Defenses are able to stand off and have a meaningful fire fight where they can both exchange fire and have somewhat equal footing.... And the only time that One part has been able to kill the other party is with EXTREMELY low TTK... Meaning the Infantry has been able to drop the dropship in 3-4 hits and the dropship has been able to drop the infantry in less. Never ever allowing dropships to establish any meaningful role in DUST but recreational PUB use and momentary positional advantage in PC. Having a dropships operate in a low fly position and be durable, while having defenses only strong enough that infantry and vehicle can have meaningful and competitive exchanges. Picking up and dropping off mercenaries and providing a mobile spawn platform with survivability in position of actually functionally using and deploying mercenaries..... Will do nothing but IMPROVE THE GAME AS A WHOLE. The red-lines, Stale mates... Minutes without seeing enemies or trying to get to positions.... would largely NOT EXIST IN DUST IF DROPSHIPS ACTUALLY FULFILLED THEIR ROLE IN ANYWAY. Not only this but having full time AV infantry specialists will be a viable role with a durable dropship that is in place in the skies in a reachable position... in majority... As dropships will be durable and have time to pick out engage and have meaningful engagements with AV users.... Teams will need AV users Full time to remove or scare away mobile spawn platforms and troop support... Giving a full time role to AV enthusiasts... rather then just a Viable use of the allocation of Skill points every other match for a few minutes... which is all AV weapon investment gives the average mercenary, a very momentary and rarely used item. It's a massive hole in the General Concept that the entire game was designed around when they built the game and planned out mechanics. It hurts the entire game that the concept of how dropships fit in DUST has never even closely been realized.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 672	Posted - 2014.09.26 05:24:00 - [72] - Quote Give ADS' a flare system thing. To atleast get that last group of rockets away.


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