DUST Search - *** 1.8 DELTA ADS DROPSHiP PETITION ***

Echo 1991 wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Echo 1991 wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Gabriella Grey wrote:

Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list.

Pilots:

Gabriella Grey
fish sticks24

But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable.

Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while.

They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win.

Aside from 4 people shooting AV at you or another tank you were invulnerable so please stop talking ****. I put down 12 proxies and watched a tank roll over them. So what did I do wrong? Also no one has a problem pushing you back to the redline cos you just sit in it.

I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

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Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:50:00 - [31] - Quote I was in a dom yesterday, sniping from [REDACTED] on Fracture Road, and I watched seven - SEVEN - redberries loose swarms on a Python simultaneously. The smoke trails from their missiles blotted out the sun. The Python crashed in the shade. Delta just dropped, Swarms vs. ADS is the thing of the minute. After a few matches, I was indeed seeing a lot of new snipers trying the rifle. I literally took two guys off the same rooftop twice each, but I couldn't see their uplink from my vantage point, so when one of them came in a third time, I popped him again. I saw them in the killfeed with the STD rifle and the NT-511 respectively. Just like Swarms, a lot of people are trying it because it's newly buffed. They'll find that sniping isn't so easy and they'll go back to being regular infantry whining about snipers. All these new swarmers will find themselves still ineffective alone without Wyrkomis on a Minmandong, and pilots will find that they're not facing 7 swarmers at once anymore and they'll still be largely immortal as they can still GTFO with near impunity, they just have to wait longer before coming back. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 - [32] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while. They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win. Aside from 4 people shooting AV at you or another tank you were invulnerable so please stop talking ****. I put down 12 proxies and watched a tank roll over them. So what did I do wrong? Also no one has a problem pushing you back to the redline cos you just sit in it. Oh yeah, you know me so well that I camp the redline every game with a railgun. Also, 12 proxies? Didn't they have their damage increased? Let's go with their base of 750, because I don't have the game on. 750 x 12 = 9000 damage. I think I just shut that down right there. Don't forget, it's explosive, so it does increased damage against armor. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 13	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 - [33] - Quote oh wow this is dumb thred i wont sign this peitiot because ds pilots have bo problems sitting in their cockpits all day lol why pls join i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:53:00 - [34] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle?
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2665	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:53:00 - [35] - Quote Random Redberry wrote: oh wow this is dumb thred i wont sign this peitiot because ds pilots have bo problems sitting in their cockpits all day lol why pls join If you take strawberries and stew them like cabbage they taste more like mangoes than rutabagas do. The sig is back! K/D(r) matchmaking would even fix the matchmaking fix.
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 13	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:54:00 - [36] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? michael jackson did in a song once it went like "doesnt matter if youre but rifle shoud do damage to vehicle wow heehee" i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:55:00 - [37] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: I was in a dom yesterday, sniping from [REDACTED] on Fracture Road, and I watched seven - SEVEN - redberries loose swarms on a Python simultaneously. The smoke trails from their missiles blotted out the sun. The Python crashed in the shade. Delta just dropped, Swarms vs. ADS is the thing of the minute. After a few matches, I was indeed seeing a lot of new snipers trying the rifle. I literally took two guys off the same rooftop twice each, but I couldn't see their uplink from my vantage point, so when one of them came in a third time, I popped him again. I saw them in the killfeed with the STD rifle and the NT-511 respectively. Just like Swarms, a lot of people are trying it because it's newly buffed. They'll find that sniping isn't so easy and they'll go back to being regular infantry whining about snipers. All these new swarmers will find themselves still ineffective alone without Wyrkomis on a Minmandong, and pilots will find that they're not facing 7 swarmers at once anymore and they'll still be largely immortal as they can still GTFO with near impunity, they just have to wait longer before coming back. Really now? The third volley is guaranteed to hit, unless there's people on the ground to witness the first volley leaving to tell the pilot to GTFO. Swarms are still invisible at least half the time, you don't hear them approaching sometimes, and rendering is still abysmal, giving AV infantry a huge advantage. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:56:00 - [38] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:58:00 - [39] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3690	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:59:00 - [40] - Quote Hint: If you want to start a petition, it usually helps if the community actually agrees with you first. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2129	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:00:00 - [41] - Quote Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER. Considering you only have 43 likes, you haven't been here long. Read what I said again. Infantry did a while back. If you haven't been lurking for at least a year, you wouldn't've seen it. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1541	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:17:00 - [42] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 But what pilots want doesn't matter. All CCP cares about is making sure infantry is comfortable. Funny, I remember super tanks and they didn't go away for a while. They were only "super tanks" because nobody took our advice on how to destroy us. Funny though, I notice those whose first language isn't English, that probably don't visit this language's forums, have zero problem beating me back into my redline. Why? Because they don't care about taking out AV to destroy me. A pair of forge guns, a pair of swarms, and 2 guys putting down proxies and/or REs. Why? Because they'll do anything to win. Uhm, probably has more to do with you being a sh!tty tanker. I mean, you're the guy that's been getting killed by militia swarms since open beta; even after they where nerfed in damage and only could fire 2 volleys before having to reload, damage mods were nerfed, and tanks were buffed all in 1.7. You came on here complaining about getting killed by militia swarms. Also loved how one sided your advise was. To paraphrase "If you AV guys want to be able to take out one guy in a tank you've got to use teamwork; the fact that the tanker doesn't have to use teamwork is completely irrelevant". Your whole arguement revolved around "it's a tank, one infantryman shouldn't be able to take it down even with weapons specifically designed to do that" which completely ignores the fact that a single infantryman has been able to take out tanks since WW2. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 1315	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:20:00 - [43] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Really now? The third volley is guaranteed to hit, unless there's people on the ground to witness the first volley leaving to tell the pilot to GTFO. Swarms are still invisible at least half the time, you don't hear them approaching sometimes, and rendering is still abysmal, giving AV infantry a huge advantage. And with 3x Complex damage mods, I connected with three volleys from a Wyrkomi Swarm and failed to kill a Python. He DID stop harassing me, but he didn't die. This was also in a dom match where I was tower sniping. Same match, I downed an Incubus who had fled from another swarmer and had the bad luck to flee right into my range. I opened fire when he started hovering well away from the main fighting, presumably waiting out his AB cooldown, and his armor was not yet fully repped. Took two volleys, the first surprised him and the second he wasn't fast enough to flee from without the AB. Sucked to be him. Jaceon Pale-eye. And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1542	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:24:00 - [44] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER. Considering you only have 43 likes, you haven't been here long. Read what I said again. Infantry did a while back. If you haven't been lurking for at least a year, you wouldn't've seen it. I've never seen a serious demand from infantry for rifles to be a serious threat to vehicles and I've been here since January of open beta. Now I have seen plenty of tanker troll threads along the lines of "hur, hur, my AR can't kill a tank, buff AR and nerf tanks hur, hur"; some of which where from you if I recall correctly. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Everything Dies HENTAI FAN CLUB 982	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:28:00 - [45] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. In other words, you want the most OP weapon in the game back to its openly-acknowledged-as-being-broken self. Yeah...how's about "no" sound? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Skippy Longstocking Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:32:00 - [46] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Skippy Longstocking wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you honestly give me a rational argument as to why a rifle should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Where did this come from? Who EVER said that a RIFLE should be a serious threat to a vehicle? Infantry did a while back. So, I'm waiting for an answer. You're complaining that the only threats to vehicles are AV weapons. What would you like rifles to do to vehicles? I don't know where you THINK you saw this, but go back and read it again, because I don't think it says what you think it does. NEVER have I seen ANYONE say that a rifle should be a threat to a vehicle. EVER. Considering you only have 43 likes, you haven't been here long. Read what I said again. Infantry did a while back. If you haven't been lurking for at least a year, you wouldn't've seen it. Irrelevant. Just because I don't have a ton of posts, or don't have a ton of likes, doesn't mean I haven't been watching. In fact, I've been here, under one name or another, since beta. But I'll tell you what, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since I don't read every single post in every sub-forum. It is entirely possible that some idiot may have actually posted something that stupid, and I just missed it. So prove it: provide a link, or stop arguing about crazy nonsense. Again, I don't think there is a single person on here, AV OR pilot, that has SERIOUSLY claimed that a RIFLE should be a threat to a vehicle, and if they did, I completely agree that they are stupid. Either way, just because ONE crazy idiot might have posted such nonsense, doesn't mean that all (or even ANY other) AV player is asking for that, so please stop claiming that they are.
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 222	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:37:00 - [47] - Quote No just no, ADS should stayed nerfed for a few years for the damage they've done. Take your time CCP, we're in no hurry. Let us enjoy the clear skies for some time. If you really wanna still try something, use the REGULAR dropships with Gunners. Proud member of Glitched Connection
Lonewolf Heavy Chaotic Company 129	Posted - 2014.09.25 18:38:00 - [48] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: It's amazing how some people think ADS' are heavy aircraft. They think their ADS should be like the old black ops tanks... And i think dropships should be left how they are, a dam viper pilot with 1 gunner on a militia missile was devastating my team. Also I was against an ADS pilot using a blaster and he strafed through my squad killing my logi and almost had me also. Then when I tried to swarm him he hit his ABs and launched left and my swarms couldn't turn fast enough to get him followed by killing me. Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 281	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:03:00 - [49] - Quote .... Wow, this is Vietnam. IGÇÖm scared to let my ***** hang around here too long. Well, Gabriella... heck, the two of us DID talk about this in your other recent thread.... Tons of Variables. Posters here are coincidentally highlighting the variables RIGHT THERE in their own replies, and they still arenGÇÖt recognizing them. I see GÇ£AV-captainGÇ¥ still stumping around the deck, fist-waving and vowing his dying blood to have the right to shoot down that cursed White Whale. IGÇÖm reading the GÇ£Fighter jockGÇ¥ believing in nine-G turns to shake the MiG heat seeker off his six as dreamt of, and cursing the swarmer-turn nerf for not yet allowing him his fantasy (... weGÇÖre NOT all equally as good in tight DS work as we THINK we areGÇöthere ARE going to be some ability-differences in us GÇ£good pilotsGÇ¥ that little AV tweaks like this will expose (admit it to ourselves or not; itGÇÖs ok--itGÇÖs not a crime!). I see this thread growing 5 more pages by Saturday... like the Uprising 1.2 debates. Ohhhh! AVGÇÖers and Vehicle players really should be on the SAME SIDE of this argument! LOL, we both want the same thing: When my opponent shows up and takes a crack at me, I want to have just a tad enough fight-time (just a reasonable extra 20 seconds or so) to settle the dispute with one of us being killed, and to not have one of us required to FLEE; ThatGÇÖs what we got into shooting games for, to fantasy-KILL one of the gunfighters, not for one of us to shooo away or be shooo-ed. Both Vehicle AND AV players ought to be asking CCP to relent and give these GÇ£two infamous gunslinging enemiesGÇ¥ a tad more time to GÇ£do their street duelGÇ¥. In the meantime, there IS still a GÇ£pilot stackingGÇ¥ exploit problem out there that I donGÇÖt THINK will be successfully addressed by this RoF change,... so... Gabriella, I have no objection to seeing the RoF be returned to its former numbers. It actually should give ADS drivers more confidence to linger longer and get that last turret round to land right in the Swarm LauncherGÇÖs ear---- ---and a DS being tempted to linger longer will give the Swarm Launcher an opponent who can give him a better crack at a decisive kill. ... GÇ£Come-onnn, you know you WAANNIT. We both do!GÇ¥ LOL. Jeez, donGÇÖt we realize thereGÇÖs a potential gain here for BOTH enemies? And letGÇÖs resolve that Pilot Stacking issue another way. Please? ItGÇÖs darned important also. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3716	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:09:00 - [50] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: AVGÇÖers and Vehicle players really should be on the SAME SIDE of this argument! LOL, we both want the same thing: When my opponent shows up and takes a crack at me, I want to have just a tad enough fight-time (just a reasonable extra 20 seconds or so) to settle the dispute with one of us being killed I fully agree with this. If someone has a proposal for this, that enables either the ADS or the AV to win, I am entirely for that. But most claims I've seen have been that the ADS should always be able to survive an encounter with an AV user and escape, and that isn't something I can agree with. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16702	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:12:00 - [51] - Quote I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2139	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:16:00 - [52] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I would like to remove skill as a factor for balancing. SP/Level or player skill? To clarify, you want a purely numbers based approach to rebalance? Dust was real! I was there!
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 796	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:38:00 - [53] - Quote as long as us swarm guys get our damage and range back as well as changing proficiency to general damage increas enot jsut to armour Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 986	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:55:00 - [54] - Quote Too many stupid posts on both sides. Gabriella Grey, ADS don't necessarily need their ROF back to fix their impotency against other vehicles. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 703	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:57:00 - [55] - Quote You hear that? Sounds like whinning! DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:05:00 - [56] - Quote Thanks always for your insight CELESTA! The funny thing is this thread was started on the Turret RoF for the dropship, and not anything else. As it stands, AV, HAV, and LAV's can engage dropships but dropships can not engage them back. Iron Wolf I would love to make a nice chart for this but I don't for CCP. And I do not mean this in a negative way. From what it looks like to me CCP just wants this game to stay around and will adjust things according despite it causing balancing issues. There will always be a, "Flavor of the Month," because their goal is just that. Every bit of feedback myself and many others have been giving is being over looked. Perhaps silence on what needs to be done for balance is the best answer. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
Gabriella Grey THE HANDS OF DEATH 162	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:09:00 - [57] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Too many stupid posts on both sides. Gabriella Grey, ADS don't necessarily need their ROF back to fix their impotency against other vehicles. No that isn't the only way, though it is the best efficient way without upsetting the other parameters that currently are around or doing major overhauls to the game as an entirety. CCP can fix this as Rattati stated. They can go in and change something not working in no time. *Always Grey Skies* Leader of the Alpaca Commandos
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:29:00 - [58] - Quote Gabriella Grey wrote: Starting this to have Assault Dropships viable again. With the new rate of fire along with the Afterburner changes Assault Dropships are not serving their role. What we want as pilots is our old rate of fire and operation of our turrets back. With our old ROF and turret operation Assault dropships can at least have a fighting chance again. This isn't a petition for Afterburner changes but turret changes done to the Turrets. Please like or sign below so as pilots we can update this list. Pilots: Gabriella Grey fish sticks24 ACT1ON BASTARD Dergle CELESTA AUNGM The answer is NO..... Its a FPS, get a gun scrub. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Mejt0 The Only Survivor. 469	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:35:00 - [59] - Quote They did good. Ads pre delta were shooting with rails like from rifle. Missiles were also stream of rockets from python. Atleast you can now scary, even destroy dropships with proper swarms. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 597	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:49:00 - [60] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Hint: If you want to start a petition, it usually helps if the community actually agrees with you first. 2nd Hint: It would also help if other people in your group didn't think you're whining and crying because your Flying Tank was balanced. Only Dust player with all Proto Weapons Prof 1. 19/19. Pilot, Slayer, Logibro, Heavy, Scout, Tanker, AV'er. Everything.



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