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Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote The Python feels like a Gorgon. The After Burner feels like a Shield Booster. The Swarms feel like a knife through the whole ADS Community heart. Y SEESEEPEE? ADS went from the tip of the food chain with SKILL to not even being on the food chain. And lowering the price just made it feel like you are giving us trash on "sale". The Incubus is flying like a Soma. The ADS Community is welcome to fly there thoughts on this thread and kick CCP where it hurts. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16641	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote It was on top of the food chain without skills. I couldn't aim worth a crap and managed to still get a single ads past game wide kdr average. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:13:00 - [3] - Quote Also I'd like to say R.I.P To the victims of 1.7 and I constantly pray for your souls as you make your way into Dust Heaven. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3605	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:13:00 - [4] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Y SEESEEPEE? IF (HORRIBLY_OP == TRUE) { NERFBAT(OP_CLASS); } CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:14:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: It was on top of the food chain without skills. I couldn't aim worth a crap and managed to still get a single ads past game wide kdr average. Yes and when you lost it bet you didnt realize you had a wallet by how light it was. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3605	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:17:00 - [6] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Yes and when you lost it bet you didnt realize you had a wallet by how light it was. ADSes were underpriced for how OP they were. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16641	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:17:00 - [7] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: It was on top of the food chain without skills. I couldn't aim worth a crap and managed to still get a single ads past game wide kdr average. Yes and when you lost it bet you didnt realize you had a wallet by how light it was. Dude that's every day for me; living from pay check to paycheck in dust 514. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Orphan Shadow Waiting For Deployment 59	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:20:00 - [8] - Quote Infantry, rejoice! Today, ADS falls from the sky like tears from heaven! Your prayers have been answered! Come to the forums and drink from our overflowing cups!!
Keeriam Miray R 0 N 1 N 352	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:23:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dude that's every day for me; living from pay check to paycheck in dust 514. More fairy tales... -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦-ï-+ -+-+-¦-¦-é -¦-ï-é-î -é-+-+-î-¦-+ -+-+-¦-+-¦-+-+-¦. -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦...
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:26:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: It was on top of the food chain without skills. I couldn't aim worth a crap and managed to still get a single ads past game wide kdr average. Yes and when you lost it bet you didnt realize you had a wallet by how light it was. Dude that's every day for me; living from pay check to paycheck in dust 514. Yes but AV is bathing in bills atm Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3607	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:27:00 - [11] - Quote I've been roughly breaking even in pubs as infantry for months. If I wasn't sitting on an ISK pile from earlier patches, I'd be poor. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16643	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I've been roughly breaking even in pubs as infantry for months. If I wasn't sitting on an ISK pile from earlier patches, I'd be poor. For me its militia bpo a bit then back to shiney the militia bpo a bit and back to shiney CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 224	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:33:00 - [13] - Quote If you guys wouldnt have made swarms, militia or proto, bane of the skys it would have been fine. i already died in 3 hits to any AV, now i just have no hope. and again WHY ARE THE NO AV WITH SHIELD BONUS DAMAGE????? Do you guys hate the incubus and madrugers THAT much? G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Heavy (Amarr & Gallente)
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3609	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:33:00 - [14] - Quote I usually use a mostly advanced suit and fit, and I try and shove a proto weapon on it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:35:00 - [15] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I've been roughly breaking even in pubs as infantry for months. If I wasn't sitting on an ISK pile from earlier patches, I'd be poor. Here's what I think. Its been so long since you've seen a scrub Pilot that you're scared of well trained Pilots. In the Pilot chat I'm currently in, we share complex opinions and views on certain things and I think you would see what I am conveying better if you were in there. Also, you probably lack the teamwork to even compose some good AV. I don't think 1 person on AV should be able to destroy one Dropship. if that is the case then why doesn't the Proto Swarm cost 200k? Why didn't it Cost 322k before HF Delta. Why do people continue to think that 1 AV = 1 ADS. 1 ADS > 1 AV. You don't realize that AV is trying to put 1 AV Logi on the job to take care of there ADS issues. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3609	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:37:00 - [16] - Quote One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 102	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:40:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. Oh, you're one of those people that claims "Furge Gone should oun shoot Tenks". Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3612	Posted - 2014.09.24 21:44:00 - [18] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Oh, you're one of those people that claims "Furge Gone should oun shoot Tenks". No, but an AV should have at least as good of a chance of killing a tank as that tank has of killing the AV. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 90	Posted - 2014.09.24 22:29:00 - [19] - Quote Orphan Shadow wrote: Infantry, rejoice! Today, ADS falls from the sky like tears from heaven! Your prayers have been answered! Come to the forums and drink from our overflowing cups!! ahahahhahaa Sniper Hunting and Noobs Trolling are my specialities. Dust 514 Videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCldBb96c0OpYqYd
Keeriam Miray R 0 N 1 N 352	Posted - 2014.09.25 08:53:00 - [20] - Quote And Dust community was actually voting for those ppl to be in CPM... well i guess they got what they deserve. -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦-ï-+ -+-+-¦-¦-é -¦-ï-é-î -é-+-+-î-¦-+ -+-+-¦-+-¦-+-+-¦. -í-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦, -ü-ç-¦-ü-é-+-+-¦...

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3369	Posted - 2014.09.25 09:01:00 - [21] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. Oh, you're one of those people that claims "Furge Gone should oun shoot Tenks". Where did he say that. Come up with a counter point or u have allready lost You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 56	Posted - 2014.09.25 09:32:00 - [22] - Quote This game has the base of being team based with roles and everything Assault dropships are one of the many things that have no useful role and just throw raw power towards a single player, which easily breaks a team based game as the players need to rely on other players. Any tweaks that tone down ADS power is any difference that will do more good than bad. You see Ivan, when you hold peestol like me, you never shoot the inaccurate... For fear of shooting fing- OW DAMNIT!
DarthPlagueis TheWise 108	Posted - 2014.09.25 09:41:00 - [23] - Quote As a forge gunner, I really feel the dropship pilot's pain. I can completely shut them down and force them back to their redline by myself. I really don't understand why, in all these AV arguments people can't comprehend how OP my forge gun is against them. ADS really gave me a challenge as a forge gunner and i feel like it's a shame that now they have to hide from me for 35 seconds now instead of 10. I guess I should say goodbye to those thrilling engagements that kept me on my toes. CCP could you just stop removing content and start adding it? So many pilots - LEGENDARY pilots - have quit this game. So what's FOTM? "Subways Italian Foot Long Sub" - IWS
Thurak1 Psygod9 1011	Posted - 2014.09.25 09:44:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. /aplause
steve0809 GamersForChrist 35	Posted - 2014.09.25 10:50:00 - [25] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. /aplause And while we at it , ambush match 10.43 UTC how is it possible for a Python in its "weakened" state to tank 3 point blank shots from a Wyrkomi Breach Forge with 2 complex dam mods and fly away ? Comes back in 15 seconds fully shielded and armored again?
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:25:00 - [26] - Quote steve0809 wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. /aplause And while we at it , ambush match 10.43 UTC how is it possible for a Python in its "weakened" state to tank 3 point blank shots from a Wyrkomi Breach Forge with 2 complex dam mods and fly away ? Comes back in 15 seconds fully shielded and armored again? The Breach Forge Gun is a very slow gun and not as useful against ADS. Whomever, may have have used 2 shield Boosters or had enough time to recover. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:34:00 - [27] - Quote Try putting 2 people on the AV Job I personally plbelieve it should take somewhat a small team effort to destroy these things. I was training with a small group of newer players and while facing a Madrugar with an Ion Cannon it only took 3 of us with 1 Militia FG and 2 Militia Swarms to destroy it. We did face a Python wwith and downed it with the same gear. Stop trying to snap your fingers to get your problems taken care of and put some effort into it. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:39:00 - [28] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Oh, you're one of those people that claims "Furge Gone should oun shoot Tenks". No, but an AV should have at least as good of a chance of killing a tank as that tank has of killing the AV. Then again I make tankers cry with a 136k AV Suit. I have downed an ADS before by myself although I do prefer it to be with 2 people. And again when your AV suit costs 400k I promise I will agree to 1 AV taking on 1 ADS. The cheaper the gear, the weaker the fear. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3674	Posted - 2014.09.25 13:49:00 - [29] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Try putting 2 people on the AV Job I personally plbelieve it should take somewhat a small team effort to destroy these things. I was training with a small group of newer players and while facing a Madrugar with an Ion Cannon it only took 3 of us with 1 Militia FG and 2 Militia Swarms to destroy it. We did face a Python wwith and downed it with the same gear. Stop trying to snap your fingers to get your problems taken care of and put some effort into it. Sure, two people for AV makes sense, if it requires two people to operate your ADS. Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Then again I make tankers cry with a 136k AV Suit. I have downed an ADS before by myself although I do prefer it to be with 2 people. And again when your AV suit costs 400k I promise I will agree to 1 AV taking on 1 ADS. The cheaper the gear, the weaker the fear. An extra 100k ISK for your fit shouldn't mean you never have to replace it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:42:00 - [30] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Try putting 2 people on the AV Job I personally plbelieve it should take somewhat a small team effort to destroy these things. I was training with a small group of newer players and while facing a Madrugar with an Ion Cannon it only took 3 of us with 1 Militia FG and 2 Militia Swarms to destroy it. We did face a Python wwith and downed it with the same gear. Stop trying to snap your fingers to get your problems taken care of and put some effort into it. Sure, two people for AV makes sense, if it requires two people to operate your ADS. Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Then again I make tankers cry with a 136k AV Suit. I have downed an ADS before by myself although I do prefer it to be with 2 people. And again when your AV suit costs 400k I promise I will agree to 1 AV taking on 1 ADS. The cheaper the gear, the weaker the fear. An extra 100k ISK for your fit shouldn't mean you never have to replace it. Put a Forge Gunner with a swarmer and it wont be as bad as you think. Have you considered the things the Pilot has to do? Check surroundings, watch for tanks, rammers, AV Assault Drop ships, flying itself. All the swarmed has to do us point at the ADS and be in range. May not require 2 people to operate but it sure does require a lot more skill. Also, they said it should be more for transport but that demeans the whole idea of an "Assault" Dropship. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3733	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:45:00 - [31] - Quote Again, you're still trying to argue you should need two people to kill you. At any given time, maybe three to five people can even damage your ADS. Meanwhile, all 16 people on the team can kill an AV user. And you're going to cry about having to watch for threats around you? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 306	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:51:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: It was on top of the food chain without skills. I couldn't aim worth a crap and managed to still get a single ads past game wide kdr average. What is the KDR Average? Logic wants me to assume it is 1.0, but this game...
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 104	Posted - 2014.09.26 13:56:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Again, you're still trying to argue you should need two people to kill you. At any given time, maybe three to five people can even damage your ADS. Meanwhile, all 16 people on the team can kill an AV user. And you're going to cry about having to watch for threats around you? The way you said there are 16 enemies trying to kill you, there are also 15 friendly's on your team that should be protecting you. Say I drop this cause for 2 people to use AV, in perspective the ROF's are not very good at all. The Python ROF is highly useful in killing those pesky Heavies that can now drop you before you can destroy there armor. Maybe they should have added the high ROF ($mGêå\|\| Missle) for all Caldari vehicles and just put the ADS effects on the other vehicles of that race (besides Onikumas, Balochs, Somas, Sicas). I may slightly agree with the ROF reduce but the Pythons climb rate seems really ****** up. It legit feels like a Gorgon. By changing the ADS they just killed it and offered us better Standard Drop ships. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3735	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:00:00 - [34] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: What is the KDR Average? Logic wants me to assume it is 1.0, but this game... Logically, to me, average for the entire game would have to be just under 1.0. Because every kill counted counts as a death somewhere, plus suicides, which don't grant anyone a kill. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 406	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:02:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. No, one AV should kill one vehicle that is equipped for offense over defense. If equipped for defense, said vehicle wouldn't or shouldn't be much of a threat. This could be tweaked server side by adjusting the fitting costs of proto turrets vs. complex mods and nerfing the standard and advanced turrets relative to the proto. Same with infantry. Defense and offense could be more contrasted. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6054	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:03:00 - [36] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: If you guys wouldnt have made swarms, militia or proto, bane of the skys it would have been fine. i already died in 3 hits to any AV, now i just have no hope. and again WHY ARE THE NO AV WITH SHIELD BONUS DAMAGE????? Do you guys hate the incubus and madrugers THAT much? Plasma cannon with damage mods. "An abnormally heightened consciousness of one's self, which leads to a viscous circle of heightened awareness of self."
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 104	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:09:00 - [37] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: If you guys wouldnt have made swarms, militia or proto, bane of the skys it would have been fine. i already died in 3 hits to any AV, now i just have no hope. and again WHY ARE THE NO AV WITH SHIELD BONUS DAMAGE????? Do you guys hate the incubus and madrugers THAT much? Plasma cannon with damage mods. Well the Plasma Cannon doesn't count as a weapon but I do use it for the most part. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Void Moose SlaughterMoose 9	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:10:00 - [38] - Quote After spending millions of skills on dropships and over 30 million isk trying to learn how to fly and aim the ****ing brick ...... having forge guns be a huge area denial and rail tanks and swarms ..... at least you could avoid fire prior to delta ...... Yet another huge disappointment from CCP Thank you CCP for ruining my favorite FPS a little more yet again.... Seriously every build i work towards they nerf .....
Wasten Anti Her0s 18	Posted - 2014.09.26 14:53:00 - [39] - Quote I thought the ADS was a light aerial vehicle not a flying tank. it should die fast to AV like a LAV
Void Moose SlaughterMoose 9	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:03:00 - [40] - Quote Wasten wrote: I thought the ADS was a light aerial vehicle not a flying tank. it should die fast to AV like a LAV Im not saying flying tank, all i'm saying they are hard to fly and get any kills with and now with even more area denial they are made useless at least in my hands. With the over saturation of forge guns prior to delta and now with swarms just owning all of the sky. I went from being able to survive two rounds before having my dropship blown up by being able to maneuver away from enemy fire regardless of being denied the air. It made it rewarding when you got in there and were able to take your shots and get out like a dropship should..... right now trying to fly evasive actions the dropships handling is sooooooo bricked that it makes no sense. All i'm saying is that considering how much time it takes to get to your dropship not being a total glass cannon and the amount of money it costs to buy one kitted out only to fly in and get taken out right away because the flight dynamic is all wonky ...... is less than fun..... and again one of the only things that made this game fun for me lately was flying a dropship and doing evasive moves and trying to get my shots off ........

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1253	Posted - 2014.09.26 15:14:00 - [41] - Quote it's not the AV that sux it's the large unmanned turret installations that decide to randomly track a dropship on top of all the player AV and when this happens all large turrets begin to track it, there's no breaking this random aggro that was supposed to be REMOVED... it's ok tho because someone showed me the new way to destroy them last night so they can shove their stupid OP large turret installations up their ass. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 364	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:17:00 - [42] - Quote First: ADSs are a glass cannon. You pilots treat it like it should a be a flying tank. Stop HOVERING for long periods of time and be smart. ADSs weren't and will never be Gunships. You guys cry that you have so much skill because you have to watch out for threats.... guess what. So does everyone in Dust. It's a little thing called Situational Awareness and anyone that has played Dust for long periods of time will have developed that trait. Not just pilots. Do strafing runs. That was CCP's intended role for the ADS Stop crying because you can't hover over an area packed with enemies and kill them all and quickly flee at the moment of even slight counter against you. That makes you look like a scrub that was only using the ADS to farm infantry and help up your KDR. If you needed the 50% rate of fire Python missile skill to kill infantry WITH missiles then you should stop playing all together. Small missiles on a Dropship/ADS have been an OP combo for months. But the Python was OP in terms on how fast it could let high alpha damage with little to no threat. Also if I can perform extremely good in my ADV missile Incubus that has no bonus to missils whatsoever, why do you need the 50% rate of fire bonus on your Python that has Proto missiles? All these changes were long coming and I warned you all to minimise ADS infantry farming exploits or else the ADS would get nerfed. But all you pilots decided to still use to farm infantry. Now that the changes have come and it is a little harder for you to farm infantry and you are whining about it, either stop flying or leave the game. We don't need anymore try-hard scrubs in this game. PS: I'm an ADS pilot. One of the very first. They were the first thing I skilled into when Uprising made it's debut because I love to be the pilot of aanything that resembles a jet. Back then, there were so few of us. Even for months ADS pilots were a rarity in games. But when there was one, you could see how skilled they were. Then 1.7 dropped. I startred seeing more and more ADSs. 8 out of 10 matches were packing 1 or 2 ADSs. When tanks got nerfed in 1.8 and Railguns Alpha. Almost every match had an ADS farming infantry and destroying vehicles in the field with no risk to them because they needed no maneuvers to counter AV. Just hit the AB and fly high up to the ceiling and wait for health to comeback. The ever increasing spam of ADS per match made it seem like it was starting to be a FOTM. Most of these pilots presented no skills whatsoever. Just use a Python with missils and anyone woul go up to 30-0 a match. Now that said FOTM ha been made to require skill and timing to dodge AV you guys cry? HTFU and learn how to dodge AV instead of spaming the AB and heading towards the ceilingor redline. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1170	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:33:00 - [43] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I've been roughly breaking even in pubs as infantry for months. If I wasn't sitting on an ISK pile from earlier patches, I'd be poor. Here's what I think. Its been so long since you've seen a scrub Pilot that you're scared of well trained Pilots. In the Pilot chat I'm currently in, we share complex opinions and views on certain things and I think you would see what I am conveying better if you were in there. Also, you probably lack the teamwork to even compose some good AV. I don't think 1 person on AV should be able to destroy one Dropship. if that is the case then why doesn't the Proto Swarm cost 200k? Why didn't it Cost 322k before HF Delta. Why do people continue to think that 1 AV = 1 ADS. 1 ADS > 1 AV. You don't realize that AV is trying to put 1 AV Logi on the job to take care of there ADS issues. Sooner or later almost every pilot who complains about AV reveals this belief, one AV player should not be able to kill a vehicle. This is why I take most pilot's complaints with a grain of salt. Because, that's why.
Atiim 12516	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:53:00 - [44] - Quote Keeriam Miray wrote: And Dust community was actually voting for those ppl to be in CPM... well i guess they got what they deserve. And then some. Soraya and IWS are quite possibly the best CPM we've ever had. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 366	Posted - 2014.09.26 18:35:00 - [45] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I've been roughly breaking even in pubs as infantry for months. If I wasn't sitting on an ISK pile from earlier patches, I'd be poor. Here's what I think. Its been so long since you've seen a scrub Pilot that you're scared of well trained Pilots. In the Pilot chat I'm currently in, we share complex opinions and views on certain things and I think you would see what I am conveying better if you were in there. Also, you probably lack the teamwork to even compose some good AV. I don't think 1 person on AV should be able to destroy one Dropship. if that is the case then why doesn't the Proto Swarm cost 200k? Why didn't it Cost 322k before HF Delta. Why do people continue to think that 1 AV = 1 ADS. 1 ADS > 1 AV. You don't realize that AV is trying to put 1 AV Logi on the job to take care of there ADS issues. Sooner or later almost every pilot who complains about AV reveals this belief, one AV player should not be able to kill a vehicle. This is why I take most pilot's complaints with a grain of salt. If the pilot is stupid enough to stay in an area were an AV player is. Then yes. One AV should own a vehicle. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 104	Posted - 2014.09.26 18:48:00 - [46] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: First: ADSs are a glass cannon. You pilots treat it like it should a be a flying tank. Stop HOVERING for long periods of time and be smart. ADSs weren't and will never be Gunships. You guys cry that you have so much skill because you have to watch out for threats.... guess what. So does everyone in Dust. It's a little thing called Situational Awareness and anyone that has played Dust for long periods of time will have developed that trait. Not just pilots. Do strafing runs. That was CCP's intended role for the ADS Stop crying because you can't hover over an area packed with enemies and kill them all and quickly flee at the moment of even slight counter against you. That makes you look like a scrub that was only using the ADS to farm infantry and help up your KDR. If you needed the 50% rate of fire Python missile skill to kill infantry WITH missiles then you should stop playing all together. Small missiles on a Dropship/ADS have been an OP combo for months. But the Python was OP in terms on how fast it could let high alpha damage with little to no threat. Also if I can perform extremely good in my ADV missile Incubus that has no bonus to missils whatsoever, why do you need the 50% rate of fire bonus on your Python that has Proto missiles? All these changes were long coming and I warned you all to minimise ADS infantry farming exploits or else the ADS would get nerfed. But all you pilots decided to still use to farm infantry. Now that the changes have come and it is a little harder for you to farm infantry and you are whining about it, either stop flying or leave the game. We don't need anymore try-hard scrubs in this game. PS: I'm an ADS pilot. One of the very first. They were the first thing I skilled into when Uprising made it's debut because I love to be the pilot of aanything that resembles a jet. Back then, there were so few of us. Even for months ADS pilots were a rarity in games. But when there was one, you could see how skilled they were. Then 1.7 dropped. I startred seeing more and more ADSs. 8 out of 10 matches were packing 1 or 2 ADSs. When tanks got nerfed in 1.8 and Railguns Alpha. Almost every match had an ADS farming infantry and destroying vehicles in the field with no risk to them because they needed no maneuvers to counter AV. Just hit the AB and fly high up to the ceiling and wait for health to comeback. The ever increasing spam of ADS per match made it seem like it was starting to be a FOTM. Most of these pilots presented no skills whatsoever. Just use a Python with missils and anyone woul go up to 30-0 a match. Now that said FOTM ha been made to require skill and timing to dodge AV you guys cry? HTFU and learn how to dodge AV instead of spaming the AB and heading towards the ceilingor redline. Most of the time I'm using my Incubus with the Ion Cannon. I try to use both Python and Incubus to get both sides of the story. Although, now with the Python being the acceleration mobile and the Incubus being the speed mobile the Python isn't living up to its name. Its terrible at acceleration right now and that destroys the fair bond between the Incubus and the Python. Also, vehicles have to deal with Gorgon Ramming and Jihad Jeeps. They have to deal with Installations and other things. I do realize what AV deals with but that cannot be ignored. Although one thing I do see trending is CCP taking the general ideas. As in if there was 4 Logi's in the game being destroyed by all other things and the Logi's complained "OP" CCP would listen to everyone else since the other L's have a lot more numbers. Look at the "Light Attack Vehicle" (LAV). The LAV has turned into a joyride jeep and why is that? Because there is no-one (probably) besides me that actually uses it as an attack vehicle. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 367	Posted - 2014.09.27 07:06:00 - [47] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: First: ADSs are a glass cannon. You pilots treat it like it should a be a flying tank. Stop HOVERING for long periods of time and be smart. ADSs weren't and will never be Gunships. You guys cry that you have so much skill because you have to watch out for threats.... guess what. So does everyone in Dust. It's a little thing called Situational Awareness and anyone that has played Dust for long periods of time will have developed that trait. Not just pilots. Do strafing runs. That was CCP's intended role for the ADS Stop crying because you can't hover over an area packed with enemies and kill them all and quickly flee at the moment of even slight counter against you. That makes you look like a scrub that was only using the ADS to farm infantry and help up your KDR. If you needed the 50% rate of fire Python missile skill to kill infantry WITH missiles then you should stop playing all together. Small missiles on a Dropship/ADS have been an OP combo for months. But the Python was OP in terms on how fast it could let high alpha damage with little to no threat. Also if I can perform extremely good in my ADV missile Incubus that has no bonus to missils whatsoever, why do you need the 50% rate of fire bonus on your Python that has Proto missiles? All these changes were long coming and I warned you all to minimise ADS infantry farming exploits or else the ADS would get nerfed. But all you pilots decided to still use to farm infantry. Now that the changes have come and it is a little harder for you to farm infantry and you are whining about it, either stop flying or leave the game. We don't need anymore try-hard scrubs in this game. PS: I'm an ADS pilot. One of the very first. They were the first thing I skilled into when Uprising made it's debut because I love to be the pilot of aanything that resembles a jet. Back then, there were so few of us. Even for months ADS pilots were a rarity in games. But when there was one, you could see how skilled they were. Then 1.7 dropped. I startred seeing more and more ADSs. 8 out of 10 matches were packing 1 or 2 ADSs. When tanks got nerfed in 1.8 and Railguns Alpha. Almost every match had an ADS farming infantry and destroying vehicles in the field with no risk to them because they needed no maneuvers to counter AV. Just hit the AB and fly high up to the ceiling and wait for health to comeback. The ever increasing spam of ADS per match made it seem like it was starting to be a FOTM. Most of these pilots presented no skills whatsoever. Just use a Python with missils and anyone woul go up to 30-0 a match. Now that said FOTM ha been made to require skill and timing to dodge AV you guys cry? HTFU and learn how to dodge AV instead of spaming the AB and heading towards the ceilingor redline. Most of the time I'm using my Incubus with the Ion Cannon. I try to use both Python and Incubus to get both sides of the story. Although, now with the Python being the acceleration mobile and the Incubus being the speed mobile the Python isn't living up to its name. Its terrible at acceleration right now and that destroys the fair bond between the Incubus and the Python. Also, vehicles have to deal with Gorgon Ramming and Jihad Jeeps. They have to deal with Installations and other things. I do realize what AV deals with but that cannot be ignored. Although one thing I do see trending is CCP taking the general ideas. As in if there was 4 Logi's in the game being destroyed by all other things and the Logi's complained "OP" CCP would listen to everyone else since the other L's have a lot more numbers. Look at the "Light Attack Vehicle" (LAV). The LAV has turned into a joyride jeep and why is that? Because there is no-one (probably) besides me that actually uses it as an attack vehicle. Infantry has to deal with scouts, heavies, assaults, installations, tanks, LAVs, Dropships, Assault Dropships, Remote explosives,CLOAKED enemies. Infantry runs higher risks. Especially AV. Swarms are AV only. No chance whatsoever against infantry, so it's only normal for them to be the best at AV. Forge Guns at least have a chance against infantry. But now that splash is gone in all FGs except Assault ones,Assault FGs are now the to-go AV weapon for heavy AV. And respect to you man! I stopped using blasters in my Incubus ever since I returned in 1.7 (I was out between 1.5-1.6 do to TV breaking down) and they were much crap than ever before. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 669	Posted - 2014.09.27 08:22:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: Keeriam Miray wrote: And Dust community was actually voting for those ppl to be in CPM... well i guess they got what they deserve. And then some. Soraya and IWS are quite possibly the best CPM we've ever had. Judge too, he's made some great points in his videos and has had some great counter points to what Soraya says. That's not to say that I don't agree with what Soraya is saying right now; as a seasoned Logi and beginner pilot, I'm leaning toward what Soraya is saying a bit. I just wish Judge's ISP would hurry the f*ck up and fix his connection. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6073	Posted - 2014.09.27 15:52:00 - [49] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: If you guys wouldnt have made swarms, militia or proto, bane of the skys it would have been fine. i already died in 3 hits to any AV, now i just have no hope. and again WHY ARE THE NO AV WITH SHIELD BONUS DAMAGE????? Do you guys hate the incubus and madrugers THAT much? Plasma cannon with damage mods. Well the Plasma Cannon doesn't count as a weapon but I do use it for the most part. I'm sht with a ds3 and can still take down derpshts when they get fairly close. Console centric players have no excuse. "Never say never, and only answer the questions you wish you were asked".
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 412	Posted - 2014.09.27 16:11:00 - [50] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. /aplause You forget that many players can just train up their AV and then spam it at will. We're dealing with the difference between a player who wants to play a role and power players that just go pull out whatever to get a kill. This game has been ruined by that. Force infantry to stick to the AV role in a match then we'll talk. I'll say again, the answer is to have greater contrast between offense and defense. If you equip for defense then you won't be so good at offense but will be able to take the hits. If you go offense then one AV equals one vehicle. It is wrong to make AV so powerful when one can simply skill it up as a FOTM, reequip at a depot or on respawn then go right back to being non-AV. In the meantime I am still trying to run a dropship. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN

Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:38:00 - [51] - Quote Why are we forced to spend beeping piles of SP on our ADS Skills while AV hardly spends half as much? Obviously the one that requires more skill should have a greater reward. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:48:00 - [52] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something? {Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough}
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:52:00 - [53] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something? {Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough} ^ Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 03:55:00 - [54] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Why are we forced to spend beeping piles of SP on our ADS Skills while AV hardly spends half as much? Obviously the one that requires more skill should have a greater reward. Well, this will be entertaining. What skills do you think an AVer spends SP on? Juno Tristan wrote: Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something? {Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough} That's a null point, as he's referring to the Swarm Launcher, not a Secondary Weapon. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:04:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Why are we forced to spend beeping piles of SP on our ADS Skills while AV hardly spends half as much? Obviously the one that requires more skill should have a greater reward. Well, this will be entertaining. What skills do you think an AVer spends SP on? Juno Tristan wrote: Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something? {Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough} That's a null point, as he's referring to the Swarm Launcher, not a Secondary Weapon. Let's see, AV and Flux Grenades. Swarm Launcher/ Forge Gun, Proficiency & Ammo. ADS on the other hand buy #3 Standard Drop ships. #3 ADS (as AV would go for 5 so do Pilots), #5 Python and Incubus. Armor and Shields up to 5. Optimization and other boosts. Without finishing all the Armor & Shield skills we have to buy, let's move onto turrets. #5 Missle, Blaster, Rail. Reload for Missles. Proficiency 3 (likely 5) for gunners. I think I've gotten the idea of who spends more SP but who knows? I may be wrong. Edit: AV may also use Proto Nano's. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:06:00 - [56] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Let's see, AV and Flux Grenades. Swarm Launcher/ Forge Gun, Proficiency & Ammo. ADS on the other hand buy #3 Standard Drop ships. #3 ADS (as AV would go for 5 so do Pilots), #5 Python and Incubus. Armor and Shields up to 5. Optimization and other boosts. Without finishing all the Armor & Shield skills we have to buy, let's move onto turrets. #5 Missle, Blaster, Rail. Reload for Missles. Proficiency 3 (likely 5) for gunners. I think I've gotten the idea of who spends more SP but who knows? I may be wrong. Edit: AV may also use Proto Nano's. How are you going to fit an AV weapon without a Dropsuit? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:08:00 - [57] - Quote Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all odf them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:10:00 - [58] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Let's see, AV and Flux Grenades. Swarm Launcher/ Forge Gun, Proficiency & Ammo. ADS on the other hand buy #3 Standard Drop ships. #3 ADS (as AV would go for 5 so do Pilots), #5 Python and Incubus. Armor and Shields up to 5. Optimization and other boosts. Without finishing all the Armor & Shield skills we have to buy, let's move onto turrets. #5 Missle, Blaster, Rail. Reload for Missles. Proficiency 3 (likely 5) for gunners. I think I've gotten the idea of who spends more SP but who knows? I may be wrong. Edit: AV may also use Proto Nano's. How are you going to fit an AV weapon without a Dropsuit? Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:13:00 - [59] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits. The same could be said about vehicles. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:15:00 - [60] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all odf them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down. Again, how are you going to use your Swarm Launcher without a Dropsuit? And most importantly, how are you going to get 3 hits off when each of your locks take 1.2s? Now that I think of it, how are you even investing into Swarm Launchers when you don't have Weaponry II and Light Weaponry IV? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:16:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits. The same could be said about vehicles. The Assault Dropship is mainly used for Assault and Transport. The same cannot be said for the Dropship as there are MANY more uses for a Dropsuit. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:18:00 - [62] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits. The same could be said about vehicles. The Assault Dropship is mainly used for Assault and Transport. The same cannot be said for the Dropship as there are MANY more uses for a Dropsuit. Doesn't change the fact that Small Turrets, and their secondary skills can be used with any vehicle in DUST 514, along with their Core Skills. The only thing Dropsuits can do that Dropships cannot is repair, resupply, and hack objectives. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:19:00 - [63] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all odf them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down. Again, how are you going to use your Swarm Launcher without a Dropsuit? And most importantly, how are you going to get 3 hits off when each of your locks take 1.2s? Now that I think of it, how are you even investing into Swarm Launchers when you don't have Weaponry II and Light Weaponry IV? If you are to calculate my theory then you will prove my point even more. Even with all the extra stuff that you claimed ADS is still more SP. And, there are Basic/Militia suits provided to you as of beginning the game. You are welcome to calculate it as I am to lazy but you will +1 my point. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Atiim 12566	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:20:00 - [64] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: If you are to calculate my theory then you will prove my point even more. Even with all the extra stuff that you claimed ADS is still more SP. And, there are Basic/Militia suits provided to you as of beginning the game. You are welcome to calculate it as I am to lazy but you will +1 my point. You want me to calculate your ADS rig vs my AV rig in terms of SP investment? Be bright back. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:20:00 - [65] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits. The same could be said about vehicles. The Assault Dropship is mainly used for Assault and Transport. The same cannot be said for the Dropship as there are MANY more uses for a Dropsuit. Doesn't change the fact that Small Turrets, and their secondary skills can be used with any vehicle in DUST 514, along with their Core Skills. The only thing Dropsuits can do that Dropships cannot is repair other units and hack objectives. Yes but in this case the Assault Dropship would be the equivalent of the Dropsuit not the turret. And if the Assault Dropship can be used for stuff other than Assault and Transport please do tell me. Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:23:00 - [66] - Quote Atiim wrote: Juno Tristan wrote: Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something? {Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough} That's a null point, as he's referring to the Swarm Launcher, not a Secondary Weapon. Okay then, why should a Swarm launcher not be able to solo an ADS? because its a fire and forget weapon (and therefore requires little skill in its current iteration) that cannot be evaded on most maps Why should it be able to solo a tank? because its an ambush weapon that rewards getting tank blindspots (as opposed to ADS being able to fly away), and since the tank is not being knocked around, can fire back at the swarm user
Jaselyn Cabellos G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 105	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:24:00 - [67] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: If you are to calculate my theory then you will prove my point even more. Even with all the extra stuff that you claimed ADS is still more SP. And, there are Basic/Militia suits provided to you as of beginning the game. You are welcome to calculate it as I am to lazy but you will +1 my point. You want me to calculate your ADS rig vs my AV rig in terms of SP investment? Be bright back. Keep in mind the Proto swarm is enabled to a basic suit while the Proto Turret is not enabled to a front gun on the Gorgon/Viper and Grimsnes/Myron Flying Mouse and Keyboard since:
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:34:00 - [68] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all of them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down. And you believe in the tooth fairy . Credibility just went down the drain.
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:37:00 - [69] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all odf them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down. Again, how are you going to use your Swarm Launcher without a Dropsuit? And most importantly, how are you going to get 3 hits off when each of your locks take 1.2s? Now that I think of it, how are you even investing into Swarm Launchers when you don't have Weaponry II and Light Weaponry IV? Who's gonna benefit the most if both players decide to run an Ambush game?
Atiim 12567	Posted - 2014.09.28 04:59:00 - [70] - Quote Python w/Small Missile Launcher Vehicle Command III Assault Dropships V Caldari Assault Dropships V Vehicle Upgrades III Vehicle Shield Upgrades V Shield Fitting Optimization V Shield Regeneration V Vehicle Core Upgrades V Core Grid Management V Engine Core Calibration V Vehicle Electronics V Vehicle Engineering V Turret Operation I Small Turret Operation V Small Missile Launcher Operation V Small Missile Launcher Proficiency IV Small Missile Launcher Ammo Capacity V Small Missile Launcher Reload Systems V Small Missile Launcher Fitting Optimization V Total: 18,605,440 SP Commando w/Swarm Launcher Dropsuit Command III Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III Minmatar Commando Dropsuits V Dropsuit Upgrades IV Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V Shield Extension V Shield Regulation V Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V Armor Repair Systems V Armor Plating V Dropsuit Core Upgrades V Dropsuit Electronics V Precision Enhancement V Profile Dampening V Range Amplification V Dropsuit Engineering V Nanocircuitry V Weaponry IV Explosives V Demolition V Handheld Weapon Upgrades V Light Weapon Operation V Swarm Launcher Operation V Swarm Launcher Proficiency V Swarm Launcher Reload Systems V Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V Combat Rifle Operation V Combat Rifle Proficiency III Combat Rifle Ammo Capacity V Total: 25,837,440 SP --- Lucky for you, I need this thing called sleep. So while I won't be able to continue disproving your biased assertions any further at the moment, I'll be happy to continue refuting your nonsense in about 8hrs. o7 The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3335	Posted - 2014.09.28 05:01:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: Python w/Small Missile Launcher Vehicle Command III Assault Dropships V Caldari Assault Dropships V Vehicle Upgrades III Vehicle Shield Upgrades V Shield Fitting Optimization V Shield Regeneration V Vehicle Core Upgrades V Core Grid Management V Engine Core Calibration V Vehicle Electronics V Vehicle Engineering V Turret Operation I Small Turret Operation V Small Missile Launcher Operation V Small Missile Launcher Proficiency IV Small Missile Launcher Ammo Capacity V Small Missile Launcher Reload Systems V Small Missile Launcher Fitting Optimization V Total: 18,605,440 SP Commando w/Swarm Launcher Dropsuit Command III Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III Minmatar Commando Dropsuits V Dropsuit Upgrades IV Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V Shield Extension V Shield Regulation V Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V Armor Repair Systems V Armor Plating V Dropsuit Core Upgrades V Dropsuit Electronics V Precision Enhancement V Profile Dampening V Range Amplification V Dropsuit Engineering V Nanocircuitry V Weaponry IV Explosives V Demolition V Handheld Weapon Upgrades V Light Weapon Operation V Swarm Launcher Operation V Swarm Launcher Proficiency V Swarm Launcher Reload Systems V Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V Combat Rifle Operation V Combat Rifle Proficiency III Combat Rifle Ammo Capacity V Total: 25,837,440 SP --- Lucky for you, I need this thing called sleep. So while I won't be able to continue disproving your biased assertions any further at the moment, I'll be happy to continue refuting your nonsense in about 8hrs. o7 You don't need half those skills.... Tanker/Logi/Assault
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3335	Posted - 2014.09.28 05:07:00 - [72] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: What is the KDR Average? Logic wants me to assume it is 1.0, but this game... Logically, to me, average for the entire game would have to be just under 1.0. Because every kill counted counts as a death somewhere, plus suicides, which don't grant anyone a kill. A 1 K/D is pretty awful, I can achieve a 4+ using a fricking assault suit. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 83	Posted - 2014.09.28 05:09:00 - [73] - Quote Atiim wrote: Python w/Small Missile Launcher Total: 18,605,440 SP Total: 25,837,440 SP --- Lucky for you, I need this thing called sleep. So while I won't be able to continue disproving your biased assertions any further at the moment, I'll be happy to continue refuting your nonsense in about 8hrs. o7 Rather than get antagonistic I'll just say, losing 1 ADS per match is not ISK positive so pilots can't run vehicles every match and every spawn. Their investment brings them no benefits outside of the vehicle, your chosen AV fit has a lot of overlap with AI
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3829	Posted - 2014.09.29 14:01:00 - [74] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: What is the KDR Average? Logic wants me to assume it is 1.0, but this game... Logically, to me, average for the entire game would have to be just under 1.0. Because every kill counted counts as a death somewhere, plus suicides, which don't grant anyone a kill. A 1 K/D is pretty awful, I can achieve a 4+ weekly K/D using a fricking assault suit. Yes, but mathematics teaches us, for every kill you score, someone else is hence taking a death. So average KDR is about 1. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 40	Posted - 2014.09.29 15:15:00 - [75] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. Actually 1 AV should be greater than one ADS :\
Vesta Opalus Kang Lo Holding 40	Posted - 2014.09.29 15:43:00 - [76] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. /aplause You forget that many players can just train up their AV and then spam it at will. We're dealing with the difference between a player who wants to play a role and power players that just go pull out whatever to get a kill. This game has been ruined by that. Force infantry to stick to the AV role in a match then we'll talk. I'll say again, the answer is to have greater contrast between offense and defense. If you equip for defense then you won't be so good at offense but will be able to take the hits. If you go offense then one AV equals one vehicle. It is wrong to make AV so powerful when one can simply skill it up as a FOTM, reequip at a depot or on respawn then go right back to being non-AV. In the meantime I am still trying to run a dropship. Why would anyone choose to play a role all game that is completely ineffective at removing the threat it faces? AV can't kill a properly driven vehicle, even after the newest hotfix, unless the vehicle driver is a complete moron or there are so many AV players opposing him that they kill him in one volley. As long as AV is just an area denial tool instead of a killing vehicle tool, there will be no real deterrent on vehicles and no real reason to play AV. I don't know anyone who trains up their AV to spam it at will. What I have experienced is training into AV to help my poor blueberries not get farmed by invincible killing machines, and finding that that AV is completely ineffective. So I start up a vehicle alt to counter vehicles with their only valid counter, more vehicles. After seeing how mindnumbingly easy it is to run a tank or dropship, I decide not to play that alt anymore because its so boring being invincible to almost everything the enemy can throw at you. I go back to my main infantry character, after ignoring and evading vehicles constantly for a few weeks who are completely ruining the game for everyone who isnt in a vehicle, I grudgingly spec into a new kind of AV (forge guns, because swarms shouldnt be able to kill anything apparently) just so I can give my team a chance in hell of not getting farmed for the half minute during which I can run forge or swarms before some infantry come and slaughter me because I set off the "COME ** ME" sign of using AV. Thats the real experience of using AV right there. Pilots who claim being a swarmer is some kind of easy mode kill farming fit are the biggest cunts in dust. Firing off a swarm is equivalent to setting off fireworks that spell out MURDER ME in the sky above you. My swarm fits name is Suffering, or at least it was before I deleted it. The things are complete **. Even now any competent pilot can get away from them unless 3+ people are firing them at you.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3829	Posted - 2014.09.29 16:14:00 - [77] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles. Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player. If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP. Actually 1 AV should be greater than one ADS :\ I'd agree AV, a class designed specifically to kill v ehicles, should probably have a little bit of an advantage, but it needs to be a fight that either one can win. The big thing vehicles have on their side though, is the ability to leave an engagement. AV needs damage to compensate. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.


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