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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:53:00 -
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Keeriam Miray wrote:And Dust community was actually voting for those ppl to be in CPM... well i guess they got what they deserve.
And then some.
Soraya and IWS are quite possibly the best CPM we've ever had.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 03:55:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Why are we forced to spend beeping piles of SP on our ADS Skills while AV hardly spends half as much? Obviously the one that requires more skill should have a greater reward.
Well, this will be entertaining.
What skills do you think an AVer spends SP on?
Juno Tristan wrote:
Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something?
{Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough}
That's a null point, as he's referring to the Swarm Launcher, not a Secondary Weapon.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:06:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Let's see, AV and Flux Grenades. Swarm Launcher/ Forge Gun, Proficiency & Ammo. ADS on the other hand buy #3 Standard Drop ships. #3 ADS (as AV would go for 5 so do Pilots), #5 Python and Incubus. Armor and Shields up to 5. Optimization and other boosts. Without finishing all the Armor & Shield skills we have to buy, let's move onto turrets. #5 Missle, Blaster, Rail. Reload for Missles. Proficiency 3 (likely 5) for gunners. I think I've gotten the idea of who spends more SP but who knows? I may be wrong.  Edit: AV may also use Proto Nano's.
How are you going to fit an AV weapon without a Dropsuit?
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:13:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:
Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits.
The same could be said about vehicles.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:15:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all odf them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down.
Again, how are you going to use your Swarm Launcher without a Dropsuit? And most importantly, how are you going to get 3 hits off when each of your locks take 1.2s?
Now that I think of it, how are you even investing into Swarm Launchers when you don't have Weaponry II and Light Weaponry IV?
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:18:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Atiim wrote:Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:
Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits.
The same could be said about vehicles. The Assault Dropship is mainly used for Assault and Transport. The same cannot be said for the Dropship as there are MANY more uses for a Dropsuit.
Doesn't change the fact that Small Turrets, and their secondary skills can be used with any vehicle in DUST 514, along with their Core Skills.
The only thing Dropsuits can do that Dropships cannot is repair, resupply, and hack objectives.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:20:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:
If you are to calculate my theory then you will prove my point even more. Even with all the extra stuff that you claimed ADS is still more SP. And, there are Basic/Militia suits provided to you as of beginning the game. You are welcome to calculate it as I am to lazy but you will +1 my point.
You want me to calculate your ADS rig vs my AV rig in terms of SP investment?
Be bright back. 
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:59:00 -
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Python w/Small Missile Launcher
- Vehicle Command III
- Assault Dropships V
- Caldari Assault Dropships V
- Vehicle Upgrades III
- Vehicle Shield Upgrades V
- Shield Fitting Optimization V
- Shield Regeneration V
- Vehicle Core Upgrades V
- Core Grid Management V
- Engine Core Calibration V
- Vehicle Electronics V
- Vehicle Engineering V
- Turret Operation I
- Small Turret Operation V
- Small Missile Launcher Operation V
- Small Missile Launcher Proficiency IV
- Small Missile Launcher Ammo Capacity V
- Small Missile Launcher Reload Systems V
- Small Missile Launcher Fitting Optimization V
Total: 18,605,440 SP
Commando w/Swarm Launcher
- Dropsuit Command III
- Minmatar Heavy Dropsuits III
- Minmatar Commando Dropsuits V
- Dropsuit Upgrades IV
- Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades V
- Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V
- Shield Extension V
- Shield Regulation V
- Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V
- Armor Repair Systems V
- Armor Plating V
- Dropsuit Core Upgrades V
- Dropsuit Electronics V
- Precision Enhancement V
- Profile Dampening V
- Range Amplification V
- Dropsuit Engineering V
- Nanocircuitry V
- Weaponry IV
- Explosives V
- Demolition V
- Handheld Weapon Upgrades V
- Light Weapon Operation V
- Swarm Launcher Operation V
- Swarm Launcher Proficiency V
- Swarm Launcher Reload Systems V
- Swarm Launcher Ammo Capacity V
- Swarm Launcher Fitting Optimization V
- Combat Rifle Operation V
- Combat Rifle Proficiency III
- Combat Rifle Ammo Capacity V
Total: 25,837,440 SP
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Lucky for you, I need this thing called sleep. So while I won't be able to continue disproving your biased assertions any further at the moment, I'll be happy to continue refuting your nonsense in about 8hrs.
o7
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