It was on top of the food chain without skills.

I couldn't aim worth a crap and managed to still get a single ads past game wide kdr average.

Again, you're still trying to argue you should need two people to kill you.

At any given time, maybe three to five people can even damage your ADS. Meanwhile, all 16 people on the team can kill an AV user. And you're going to cry about having to watch for threats around you?

What is the KDR Average?
Logic wants me to assume it is 1.0, but this game...

One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles.

Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player.

If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP.

If you guys wouldnt have made swarms, militia or proto, bane of the skys it would have been fine. i already died in 3 hits to any AV, now i just have no hope.

and again WHY ARE THE NO AV WITH SHIELD BONUS DAMAGE????? Do you guys hate the incubus and madrugers THAT much?

Plasma cannon with damage mods.

I thought the ADS was a light aerial vehicle not a flying tank. it should die fast to AV like a LAV

Here's what I think. Its been so long since you've seen a scrub Pilot that you're scared of well trained Pilots. In the Pilot chat I'm currently in, we share complex opinions and views on certain things and I think you would see what I am conveying better if you were in there. Also, you probably lack the teamwork to even compose some good AV. I don't think 1 person on AV should be able to destroy one Dropship. if that is the case then why doesn't the Proto Swarm cost 200k? Why didn't it Cost 322k before HF Delta. Why do people continue to think that 1 AV = 1 ADS. 1 ADS > 1 AV. You don't realize that AV is trying to put 1 AV Logi on the job to take care of there ADS issues.

And Dust community was actually voting for those ppl to be in CPM... well i guess they got what they deserve.

Sooner or later almost every pilot who complains about AV reveals this belief, one AV player should not be able to kill a vehicle. This is why I take most pilot's complaints with a grain of salt.

First:

ADSs are a glass cannon. You pilots treat it like it should a be a flying tank.

Stop HOVERING for long periods of time and be smart. ADSs weren't and will never be Gunships. You guys cry that you have so much skill because you have to watch out for threats.... guess what. So does everyone in Dust. It's a little thing called Situational Awareness and anyone that has played Dust for long periods of time will have developed that trait. Not just pilots.

Do strafing runs. That was CCP's intended role for the ADS

Stop crying because you can't hover over an area packed with enemies and kill them all and quickly flee at the moment of even slight counter against you. That makes you look like a scrub that was only using the ADS to farm infantry and help up your KDR.

If you needed the 50% rate of fire Python missile skill to kill infantry WITH missiles then you should stop playing all together. Small missiles on a Dropship/ADS have been an OP combo for months. But the Python was OP in terms on how fast it could let high alpha damage with little to no threat. Also if I can perform extremely good in my ADV missile Incubus that has no bonus to missils whatsoever, why do you need the 50% rate of fire bonus on your Python that has Proto missiles?

All these changes were long coming and I warned you all to minimise ADS infantry farming exploits or else the ADS would get nerfed. But all you pilots decided to still use to farm infantry. Now that the changes have come and it is a little harder for you to farm infantry and you are whining about it, either stop flying or leave the game. We don't need anymore try-hard scrubs in this game.

PS: I'm an ADS pilot. One of the very first. They were the first thing I skilled into when Uprising made it's debut because I love to be the pilot of aanything that resembles a jet. Back then, there were so few of us. Even for months ADS pilots were a rarity in games. But when there was one, you could see how skilled they were.

Then 1.7 dropped. I startred seeing more and more ADSs. 8 out of 10 matches were packing 1 or 2 ADSs. When tanks got nerfed in 1.8 and Railguns Alpha. Almost every match had an ADS farming infantry and destroying vehicles in the field with no risk to them because they needed no maneuvers to counter AV. Just hit the AB and fly high up to the ceiling and wait for health to comeback.

The ever increasing spam of ADS per match made it seem like it was starting to be a FOTM. Most of these pilots presented no skills whatsoever. Just use a Python with missils and anyone woul go up to 30-0 a match. Now that said FOTM ha been made to require skill and timing to dodge AV you guys cry? HTFU and learn how to dodge AV instead of spaming the AB and heading towards the ceilingor redline.

Most of the time I'm using my Incubus with the Ion Cannon. I try to use both Python and Incubus to get both sides of the story. Although, now with the Python being the acceleration mobile and the Incubus being the speed mobile the Python isn't living up to its name. Its terrible at acceleration right now and that destroys the fair bond between the Incubus and the Python. Also, vehicles have to deal with Gorgon Ramming and Jihad Jeeps. They have to deal with Installations and other things. I do realize what AV deals with but that cannot be ignored. Although one thing I do see trending is CCP taking the general ideas. As in if there was 4 Logi's in the game being destroyed by all other things and the Logi's complained "OP" CCP would listen to everyone else since the other L's have a lot more numbers. Look at the "Light Attack Vehicle" (LAV). The LAV has turned into a joyride jeep and why is that? Because there is no-one (probably) besides me that actually uses it as an attack vehicle.

And then some.

Soraya and IWS are quite possibly the best CPM we've ever had.

Well the Plasma Cannon doesn't count as a weapon but I do use it for the most part.

/aplause

One AV person, who's fitting (swarms) can only damage vehicles and nothing else, is incredibly specialized in killing vehicles. They should kill vehicles.

Why should one player in a dropship require multiple players to kill? One player equals one player.

If 1 ADS does not equal 1 AV, than 1 ADS is OP.

Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something?

{Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough}

Why are we forced to spend beeping piles of SP on our ADS Skills while AV hardly spends half as much? Obviously the one that requires more skill should have a greater reward.

Maybe if you didn't fit swarms on a Logi, you could like, use a sidearm or something?

{Cough} Commandos {Cough}{Cough}

Well, this will be entertaining.

What skills do you think an AVer spends SP on?


That's a null point, as he's referring to the Swarm Launcher, not a Secondary Weapon.

Let's see, AV and Flux Grenades. Swarm Launcher/ Forge Gun, Proficiency & Ammo.
ADS on the other hand buy #3 Standard Drop ships. #3 ADS (as AV would go for 5 so do Pilots), #5 Python and Incubus. Armor and Shields up to 5. Optimization and other boosts. Without finishing all the Armor & Shield skills we have to buy, let's move onto turrets. #5 Missle, Blaster, Rail. Reload for Missles. Proficiency 3 (likely 5) for gunners. I think I've gotten the idea of who spends more SP but who knows? I may be wrong.

Edit: AV may also use Proto Nano's.

How are you going to fit an AV weapon without a Dropsuit?

Yes but see the Dropsuit can be used for anything else. There is no designated AV suit. So that really doesn't count as part of AV. I've seen Proto Swarms on Basic suits.

Also, the lv3 Swarm does well enough. Checking I looked at almost all my accounts and all odf them have at least lv3 Swarms. Now that hardly takes anything. You don't have to be devoted in order to buy an Advanced swarm and effortlessly drop an ADS where the Pilot has to be devoted to throwing piles of SP down.