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Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 533	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:17:00 - [1] - Quote Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3592	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:21:00 - [2] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload It just took me to imgur no pic, might be on my end though. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
2k2y Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:22:00 - [3] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload It just took me to imgur no pic, might be on my end though. The link is not working for me either.
Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 533	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:23:00 - [4] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload It just took me to imgur no pic, might be on my end though. Sorry, works now.
Duke Noobiam S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 163	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:23:00 - [5] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload Well it's not actually matchmaking, it's improved team balancing. Specifically, they added logic to handle squads in the balancing algorithm. This means that new players can still be put in matches with experienced players, but the teams should be relatively equal in strength even when players are deploying in squads How do you kill that which has no life?

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7356	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:25:00 - [6] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload Well it's not actually matchmaking, it's improved team balancing. Specifically, they added logic to handle squads in the balancing algorithm. This means that new players can still be put in matches with experienced players, but the teams should be relatively equal in strength even when players are deploying in squads 100% correct "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 533	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:26:00 - [7] - Quote The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway.
Newbs With Bewbs xx The Fairies xx 82	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:29:00 - [8] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. Because CCP know I'd stop playing otherwise I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 535	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:33:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Created an alt yesterday and have just finished an ambush where I was put up against LHughes and his core locus grenades. http://m.imgur.com/upload Well it's not actually matchmaking, it's improved team balancing. Specifically, they added logic to handle squads in the balancing algorithm. This means that new players can still be put in matches with experienced players, but the teams should be relatively equal in strength even when players are deploying in squads 100% correct Fair enough! I just feel as though it didn't work to well in this instance.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7356	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:36:00 - [10] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 535	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:39:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) Sorry I don't get ya? I posted a pic of the teams in op. I think you can see the top ten on both sides, I guess there the important ones to take note of.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 7357	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:41:00 - [12] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) Sorry I don't get ya? I posted a pic of the teams in op. I think you can see the top ten on both sides, I guess there the important ones to take note of. link didn't work, works now "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 535	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:47:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) Sorry I don't get ya? I posted a pic of the teams in op. I think you can see the top ten on both sides, I guess there the important ones to take note of. link didn't work, works now I must admit, the scores and kd on both teams actually do seem quite well balanced, but I'd be interested to know why Hughes was in amongst us all, he stuck out like a sore thumb.
REDBACK96USMC Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 50	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:55:00 - [14] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) Sorry I don't get ya? I posted a pic of the teams in op. I think you can see the top ten on both sides, I guess there the important ones to take note of. link didn't work, works now I must admit, the scores and kd on both teams actually do seem quite well balanced, but I'd be interested to know why Hughes was in amongst us all, he stuck out like a sore thumb. Because he is a tweener. Not quiet up there with the Elite but better than a large majority.
Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 535	Posted - 2014.09.18 15:57:00 - [15] - Quote And let's not forget LHughes is ranked 31st In the all time kills leader boards. He's the last person a new guy wants to face off against.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4186	Posted - 2014.09.18 16:02:00 - [16] - Quote My guess is because of the relatively low number of players, there is no way to confine players like this to matches without noobs. I am assuming that his higher Mu was offset by a disproportional number of lower Mu players on his team such that the teams would be balanced relative to one another. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Newbs With Bewbs xx The Fairies xx 82	Posted - 2014.09.18 16:10:00 - [17] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) Sorry I don't get ya? I posted a pic of the teams in op. I think you can see the top ten on both sides, I guess there the important ones to take note of. link didn't work, works now I must admit, the scores and kd on both teams actually do seem quite well balanced, but I'd be interested to know why Hughes was in amongst us all, he stuck out like a sore thumb. Because the player base is too small they were the only players searching for battle at that time. Player base is too small for any kind of match making unless you're willing to wait for games (I'm not) Lets do abit of quick math: 3000 players online at any one time (avg) 3 batlle servers 5 game "sessions" so 3000/3 = 1000 players per server 1000/5= 200 players per "session" per server So 200 players playing the same server & game mode as you. Considering you spend about 10 mins in game and 2 searching whenever you search for a gamethat leaves about 40 players searching in the two minute time frame as you. Not enough players = Not enough Players = Game is dieing. Hope this helped Notes 1.Game session I counted Ambush, Domination, Skirmish & FW as 2 (Faction vs another Faction) 2. Results don't even include AFkers or PC I am LHughes. Did you like your handjob?
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3483	Posted - 2014.09.18 16:28:00 - [18] - Quote Newbs With Bewbs Because the player base is too small they were the only players searching for battle at that time. Player base is too small for any kind of match making unless you're willing to wait for games (I'm not) Lets do abit of quick math: 3000 players online at any one time (avg) 3 batlle servers 5 game "sessions" so 3000/3 = 1000 players per server 1000/5= 200 players per "session" per server So 200 players playing the same server & game mode as you. Considering you spend about 10 mins in game and 2 searching whenever you search for a gamethat leaves about 40 players searching in the two minute time frame as you. Not enough players = Not enough Players = Game is dieing. Hope this helped [:8) wrote: Notes 1.Game session I counted Ambush, Domination, Skirmish & FW as 2 (Faction vs another Faction) 2. Results don't even include AFkers or PC I'd wait .5-1 minute of waiting for a match. I, also, want my warbarge back. Gives me time to leave a game without bringing shame within the opposite team EDIT: What the hell is wrong with my quote? Lol
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 880	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:23:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. tell me at least 3 characters on that battle and send to [email protected] and I will verify why. I will even answer you here :) Nothing is perfect, the majority of matches have been even and fun, though there's still been a few hiccups. Game I just got out of had several small squads of players on the opposing team, WarRavens, Skill of god, Dust Brasil, two or three of each, and they completely wrecked the team of randoms I ended up on. One guy in a Cal scout went 31/0, the rest did okay, had a few logi suits bringing them in points, but it wasn't even really a fight. Only ones who got decent KD/R's were the snipers or those who were bringing in tanks. Everyone else was decimated. Overall though, the stomp seems to be turning into the exception, rather than the norm. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1896	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:32:00 - [20] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: The majority of my team were milita, so how did Hughes get put on the other side in his cko scout against a bunch of newbs fresh out of academy, well I was anyway. Looking at the teams, they are probably as well balanced as they could be, short of making Hughes swap teams halfway through...

postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 35	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:36:00 - [21] - Quote That picture seem balanced/not big difference in kills globaly=balace "The human being was not chosen to be a god..the god himself should become a human being."
nicholas73 Glitched Connection 207	Posted - 2014.09.18 17:53:00 - [22] - Quote Maybe the gear used should also be taken into account?? I don't know how you can do it but it would be really helpful. Imagine 2 teams with relatively equal strength based on their Mu score, but one team uses full proto and the other team is broke and running militia or basic gear. It would still be a stomping with equal skills. The gear used is equally important in Dust, so the matchmaking system of other games don't work for dust. Proud member of Glitched Connection
Spaceman-Rob New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 538	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:07:00 - [23] - Quote Just to be clear, i think team balancing is 100 times better than it was before, I was just a little shocked and surprised to have seen and had to go up against a top 100 player in my milita suit. I guess it's my lack of understanding of how the new team balancing works that led me to start this thread, never expected it to get a blue tag and I'm a little embarrassed it has done
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2824	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:08:00 - [24] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Maybe the gear used should also be taken into account?? I don't know how you can do it but it would be really helpful. Imagine 2 teams with relatively equal strength based on their Mu score, but one team uses full proto and the other team is broke and running militia or basic gear. It would still be a stomping with equal skills. The gear used is equally important in Dust, so the matchmaking system of other games don't work for dust. Its almost impossible to match by gear. Just because someone CAN do it doesn't mean they WILL. I burn through protocrap fast when a tank driver offends me by surviving my onslaught but by and large I don't bother with anything over STD. ADV if I'm feeling particularly froggy.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:08:00 - [25] - Quote my 10 mil merc got stomped into the ground last night. switched to the 17 mil merc and the matches were close and tough. then one game on this merc at 25 mil and i did the stomping. already sent pics to feedback of my 10 mil merc also play as strangeland stranger larlac theest gauntlett5478
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 250	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:11:00 - [26] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Maybe the gear used should also be taken into account?? I don't know how you can do it but it would be really helpful. Imagine 2 teams with relatively equal strength based on their Mu score, but one team uses full proto and the other team is broke and running militia or basic gear. It would still be a stomping with equal skills. The gear used is equally important in Dust, so the matchmaking system of other games don't work for dust. yeah but how can you do it like that? just because someone has access to proto doesn't mean they will/want/or have the isk to run it. a couple other things. being a logi and in a npc corp i have a 1.0 K/D, and a high loss ratio. but i am top 50 i think in all time WP. i usually run solo, or join squads at the beginning of battle. am i going to get majority nubs like that now? also, sounds like those who run solo will have a higher chance to be with nubs. there was about 15 games straight where not a single ambush started with a squad.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2826	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:17:00 - [27] - Quote It doesn't separate the newberries from the bittervets. It makes it so each team has approximately the same number of bittervets, newberries and premades on each side. So if you have 10 solo murdermachines, and a squad of murdermachines for 16 murdermachines one team will get a squad + 2 murder engines. The other team will get the other eight murder engines. The rest of the eight slots will be filled by everyone else. Its a balancing algorithm, not player segregation.
Kaeru Nayiri Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.09.18 18:39:00 - [28] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Maybe the gear used should also be taken into account?? I don't know how you can do it but it would be really helpful. Imagine 2 teams with relatively equal strength based on their Mu score, but one team uses full proto and the other team is broke and running militia or basic gear. It would still be a stomping with equal skills. The gear used is equally important in Dust, so the matchmaking system of other games don't work for dust. If people spend more ISK to push the win for their team, They deserve the win. I don't think this is a good mindset for balance. The issue with protostomping is when it is done without any good reason. If someone has the extra cash or doesn't die, they just don't have a reason to downgrade their equipment and use proto every spawn of every match. However in any given match, a player should be allowed to up the ante and win the match for their contractor.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 540	Posted - 2014.09.18 20:11:00 - [29] - Quote nicholas73 wrote: Maybe the gear used should also be taken into account?? I don't know how you can do it but it would be really helpful. Imagine 2 teams with relatively equal strength based on their Mu score, but one team uses full proto and the other team is broke and running militia or basic gear. It would still be a stomping with equal skills. The gear used is equally important in Dust, so the matchmaking system of other games don't work for dust. the most important stat missing in the Dust is the isk efficiency ratio. how much isk are we destroying and losing per clone? it should also be a collective stat for corps as well. so we can see truly, who the more effective players and corps are. running proto and stomping std and adv gear doesnt make you good. stomping adv and proto gear while running std gear makes you good. dust doesnt acknowledge this. for a game that is primarily about making money as effectively as possible, dust does do anything to showcase this.
SKULL ERASER Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 19	Posted - 2014.09.18 20:14:00 - [30] - Quote Yes, obviously fixed because its announcement thread was locked immediately after a second dev agreed that the patch was awesome, and also because ambush is still filled with Japanese/weeaboo proto squads. Hurdle the living, trample the dead.



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