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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2153	Posted - 2014.09.22 19:01:00 - [151] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: message truncated, bad idea that OP should feel bad for saying This is a pointless and silly idea, and the reason you haven't got a dev response is because it is pointless and silly. Also: Posting in a stealth "nerf proto and/or slayer scout" thread. Thank you for the bump. You're entitled to your own opinion no matter how wrong it may be. I'll take your lack of explanation on how this idea is bad as an admission that you realize your opinion is wrong. kthxbai!! "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9518	Posted - 2014.09.23 01:54:00 - [152] - Quote Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: message truncated, bad idea that OP should feel bad for saying This is a pointless and silly idea, and the reason you haven't got a dev response is because it is pointless and silly. Also: Posting in a stealth "nerf proto and/or slayer scout" thread. I support the idea of a simulated market for Dust on the grounds that Dust will not be getting an ACTUAL secondary market anymore -- that's going for Project Legion instead if you haven't heard -- therefore your argument is invalid. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2154	Posted - 2014.09.23 19:28:00 - [153] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: message truncated, bad idea that OP should feel bad for saying This is a pointless and silly idea, and the reason you haven't got a dev response is because it is pointless and silly. Also: Posting in a stealth "nerf proto and/or slayer scout" thread. I support the idea of a simulated market for Dust on the grounds that Dust will not be getting an ACTUAL secondary market anymore -- that's going for Project Legion instead if you haven't heard -- therefore your argument is invalid. I like how they said it is a stealth nerf thread. They obviously don't realize how terrible a nerf it would be since prices would constantly shift on a week to week basis. What is prohibitively expensive one week will be adjusted after a few weeks and buying patterns trend towards something else. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
a brackers Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 53	Posted - 2014.09.24 22:02:00 - [154] - Quote Bump Proto dropship pilot The sandbox shooter
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 574	Posted - 2014.09.25 00:21:00 - [155] - Quote This would be hilarious. +1 I still would like a player trading system to be implemented, though. This + player trading = almost functional player market! Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 4379	Posted - 2014.09.25 00:26:00 - [156] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Jarod Garamonde Jr wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: message truncated, bad idea that OP should feel bad for saying This is a pointless and silly idea, and the reason you haven't got a dev response is because it is pointless and silly. Also: Posting in a stealth "nerf proto and/or slayer scout" thread. I support the idea of a simulated market for Dust on the grounds that Dust will not be getting an ACTUAL secondary market anymore -- that's going for Project Legion instead if you haven't heard -- therefore your argument is invalid. Seriously though, if this were in any way a nerf to proto and slayer scouts, I would be pointing that out, especially as a scout. What this would most likely do is increase the price on anything considered FOTM and reward many people who stick to a style even if it is unpopular. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2156	Posted - 2014.09.25 15:31:00 - [157] - Quote ahem, now that Delta is out of the way, should we start talking about Echo? "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 9544	Posted - 2014.09.25 21:54:00 - [158] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: ahem, now that Delta is out of the way, should we start talking about Echo? I agree. Now is the time to revive this topic with a proto-level nanite injector. And once again I support this idea. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3717	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:02:00 - [159] - Quote I will restate this, and also point out that continually making new threads linking to this is spam. Soraya Xel wrote: The thing to bear in mind with an idea like this, is that you'd either have some dude at CCP having to set the prices on every item in the game every week (a full-time job), or they'd have to develop an entirely new method for updating the price on items in the backend. Either way, it's a much larger investment than it may seem. I love the idea, but my immediate thought on viewing it, is that there are smaller time investment projects than can reap far better rewards for the players than this. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 9544	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:08:00 - [160] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I will restate this, and also point out that continually making new threads linking to this is spam. Soraya Xel wrote: The thing to bear in mind with an idea like this, is that you'd either have some dude at CCP having to set the prices on every item in the game every week (a full-time job), or they'd have to develop an entirely new method for updating the price on items in the backend. Either way, it's a much larger investment than it may seem. I love the idea, but my immediate thought on viewing it, is that there are smaller time investment projects than can reap far better rewards for the players than this. The practical choice would be to develop an automated script that updates the market every week. CCP already has the metrics on which suits, modules, weapons, and equipment are using during a specific period. It might take a while to apply such a script but that's why this topic was brought up a little while ago so that we can get the conversation started. If it doesn't get implemented by Echo, I'm fine with that as long as it's done right. Considering how well done the previous hotfixes are, I'm confident it can be done right this time. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3717	Posted - 2014.09.25 22:22:00 - [161] - Quote Every idea does not get a CCP response. Continuing to spam the forums does not change that fact. o_O Yes, it would require a script. A script that would add more overhead to the downtime process, and probably be bug-prone, and cause significant issues. The cost of developing the script would be high for the return on investment, and it would also enable additional whining as people pitched fits about their fits being expensive, and income not being high enough to compensate. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 6	Posted - 2014.09.26 01:57:00 - [162] - Quote Bump Dust 5/14
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2162	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:34:00 - [163] - Quote In lieu of a Blue Tag, could we get some correspondence on the topic via a CPM member? Your constituency desires answers and Dev input, go poke CCP with a stick until they produce. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3758	Posted - 2014.09.26 16:53:00 - [164] - Quote I want to say I recall bringing up the idea, and it was not thought of as practical. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:22:00 - [165] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I want to say I recall bringing up the idea, and it was not thought of as practical. Elaborate please, I am sure there are many of us who would like to know why. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3758	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:29:00 - [166] - Quote I explained in an earlier post in the thread why it would be a lot of work. But the reason "I want to say" and not "I did", is I can't find a conversation log that says I brought it up with the devs, because it's a lot of chat to search through. But I think I did, because I recall doing so. Personally, I think they could accomplish much more useful improvements to the game with a lot less work than this. It's not to say it's a bad idea, but just to say there are better ones, and CCP has to prioritize. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:33:00 - [167] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I explained in an earlier post in the thread why it would be a lot of work. But the reason "I want to say" and not "I did", is I can't find a conversation log that says I brought it up with the devs, because it's a lot of chat to search through. But I think I did, because I recall doing so. Personally, I think they could accomplish much more useful improvements to the game with a lot less work than this. It's not to say it's a bad idea, but just to say there are better ones, and CCP has to prioritize. What "much more useful improvements to the game" can be done in less than the ~20 minutes I would imagine it would take someone versed in the codebase to write out >50 lines (too many?) of script? Please, I would love to know, especially seeing as how that would mean that we should be getting all sorts of "useful improvements to the game" soon since they can all be done in less than ~20 minutes. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3760	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:48:00 - [168] - Quote The problem is where you believe the sum total of this is >50 lines of code and ~20 minutes of dev time. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.26 17:56:00 - [169] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The problem is where you believe the sum total of this is >50 lines of code and ~20 minutes of dev time. ;) It's more than query->math->write? Really? "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3764	Posted - 2014.09.26 18:54:00 - [170] - Quote Yes. Really. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:24:00 - [171] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Yes. Really. Why then was I led to believe otherwise by someone with CCP in their name rather than CPM? Or are you saying that CCP is too incompetent to write a simple script? "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3765	Posted - 2014.09.26 19:34:00 - [172] - Quote Well, for one, there's a somewhat bad track record of weird screw ups during events that require scripts, like reward distribution or SP cap modification being done wrong. But I mean, there's QA, it adds yet another thing to weekly downtime maintenance, designing the pricing system, ensuring it doesn't price certain things out of usable existence, etc. You also risk people considering it cash-grabby since the AUR prices won't move. (Suddenly, the best way to buy popular fits becomes AUR.) You're also talking about a system that needs to be tied into EVE's market system, which is where our market resides, so it probably has to be run by people in Iceland too. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.27 19:04:00 - [173] - Quote Back again. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.28 19:02:00 - [174] - Quote Still waiting on a blue tag rather than intangibles from someone with no blue tag. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16882	Posted - 2014.09.29 00:59:00 - [175] - Quote How about once again. I hate to say it and being mean about it. CPM had loved the idea and we shopped it and ultimately the answer despite our support is. No! Move on put your creative energy into something else. This is just another case of awesome idea dead in the water. Similar to placeholders idea for missing suits models. Trying to rally more support for this idea is only going to end in tragedy. There is no victory here. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
Halla Murr Skullbreakers 3dge of D4rkness. 2	Posted - 2014.09.29 01:28:00 - [176] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How about once again. I hate to say it and being mean about it. CPM had loved the idea and we shopped it and ultimately the answer despite our support is. No! Move on put your creative energy into something else. This is just another case of awesome idea dead in the water. Similar to placeholders idea for missing suits models. Trying to rally more support for this idea is only going to end in tragedy. There is no victory here. Is there a particular reason for the No!, or is it just a flat, 'you can't have nice things'? What I'm driving at is, is there a good, developmental reason for this ides to be denied, or is it simply that CCP does not want to expend the resources on a game they gutted in May?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9587	Posted - 2014.09.29 02:07:00 - [177] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Well, for one, there's a somewhat bad track record of weird screw ups during events that require scripts, like reward distribution or SP cap modification being done wrong. But I mean, there's QA, it adds yet another thing to weekly downtime maintenance, designing the pricing system, ensuring it doesn't price certain things out of usable existence, etc. You also risk people considering it cash-grabby since the AUR prices won't move. (Suddenly, the best way to buy popular fits becomes AUR.) You're also talking about a system that needs to be tied into EVE's market system, which is where our market resides, so it probably has to be run by people in Iceland too. Now that you put it that way I think I can see why then it might not be practical. I just realized that CCP is not always known for creating flawless scripts here. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9587	Posted - 2014.09.29 02:11:00 - [178] - Quote Halla Murr wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: How about once again. I hate to say it and being mean about it. CPM had loved the idea and we shopped it and ultimately the answer despite our support is. No! Move on put your creative energy into something else. This is just another case of awesome idea dead in the water. Similar to placeholders idea for missing suits models. Trying to rally more support for this idea is only going to end in tragedy. There is no victory here. Is there a particular reason for the No!, or is it just a flat, 'you can't have nice things'? What I'm driving at is, is there a good, developmental reason for this ides to be denied, or is it simply that CCP does not want to expend the resources on a game they gutted in May? I think we can get an idea on the 'why' with what IWS said about things on the market being error prone and possibly exploitable. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2194	Posted - 2014.10.21 11:34:00 - [179] - Quote lulz, OP still getting likes.... Gò¡Gê¬Gò«(Gùú_Gùó)Gò¡Gê¬Gò«
Mahal Daj Mahal Tactical Enterprises 83	Posted - 2014.10.21 15:26:00 - [180] - Quote Food for thought, what if the ideas above are implemented, but the Eve side ONLY uses the item types: Militia Infantry Weapons, Basic Infantry Weapons, Advanced Infantry Weapons, Complex Infantry Weapons. These would be added to the market by selling into the NCP vendor Eve-Side equation ANY weapon of the class, and purchased back as ANY weapon in the class. This could begin the transition without a mature marketplace (where every single item is bought and sold individually) The weapon caches could even represent nanite-clusters and blueprints, which construct the weapons as a 'package' (to help with the lore). -daj I'd love to see the market, but the effects on FW from a very minimal Dust-side effect was huge. I hope CCP has a plan. See my Post on Crashes: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2413361#post2413361



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