How is it "bullocks" exactly?

Might as well call fluxes and a mass driver AV.

You have invested X amount of sp into swarm launchers to effectively fight vehicles.

0 sp and cheaper than a a broken shoebox gorgon does the job better.

As a longtime swarmer what is your opinion on this?

I'm a ADS pilot and it pisses me off when I get knocked out of the sky like this. but it is part of the game and because of this it is fare play.

with that being said the issue is not ramming it is the amount of damage that any dropship takes from any bump into anything it bumps at any speed. I have bumped a wall at what cant be more then 5 or 10 mph and lost all my shields and half my armor that's 900 shish shields and another 1500 armor from a low speed bump this don't make any sence in any way. I have hit walls in LAV's at much higher speeds and almost no damage.

I know being a beta vet that it was a lot worst at one point you could not look at a DS without it blowing up but on the other hand at the start of DS in this game they took no damage from hitting stuff other then the ground (my funny 1st flight 5sec long).

the fix is not removing the bump damage but dropping it some maybe 25% or maybe making it work by factoring in speed (moving closer or away from hit) and angle of hit and maybe weight of DS in the bump like when a LAV hits a tank I seen if you hit the tank and it's moving away you may not blow up but when it's moving at you your dead every time.

also since we are talking about bumping remove the insta death from touching the MCC with a DS nothing makes be madder then taking off touching the MCC and blowing up.

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat.

Its like engaging multiple reds with a heavy (ADS) and scrubby ol' SG scout (scrubby ramming DS) comes in and backstabs you its stupid. I think people should actually use the AV that was given to us not some cheap tactic

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat. Yes i should be able to take him on, but not on equal terms. A militia DS hits a top level ADS for more damage. That is backwards.

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat. Yes i should be able to take him on, but not on equal terms. A militia DS hits a top level ADS for more damage. That is backwards.

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat. Yes i should be able to take him on, but not on equal terms. A militia DS hits a top level ADS for more damage. That is backwards.

Only ADS's can Ram, that sounds sensible to me at least since you'd imagine an assault ship would be prepared to slam into walls or vehicles.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat.

Its like engaging multiple reds with a heavy (ADS) and scrubby ol' SG scout (scrubby ramming DS) comes in and backstabs you its stupid. I think people should actually use the AV that was given to us not some cheap tactic

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Every time you bring an ADS out, it's as good as lost.

If you're fighting a fair fight, one of you are doing it wrong.

CCP doesn't care as long as it's not game breaking. They're probably laughing at you, I know I am.

-Professional ADS pilot since 1.6

Allow scouts to squish you when they jump on your head. It's kind of like that.

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat. Yes i should be able to take him on, but not on equal terms. A militia DS hits a top level ADS for more damage. That is backwards.

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat. Yes i should be able to take him on, but not on equal terms. A militia DS hits a top level ADS for more damage. That is backwards.

i do NOT support it. Why? well, emergent game play is good. it brings new tactics to a battle and changes the status quo. Any game play has to be balanced. Emergent tactics like bomb trucks, or ramming dropships; or non emergant such as militia RR against Proto heavy have to be balanced in the same way.

The ramming dropship is a valid tactic but it by-passes balance. A cheap and disposable zero sp item causes as much damage as a high SP and expensive item. Two people clash, yet the damage done by militia is as much as the damage done by proto. This model does not exist elsewhere in DUST so should not exist here.

If I see a player in a proto suit and a gun killing everyone on the objective, I don't think "i better go get my militia suit and deal with this guy" the response had to scale with the threat. Yes i should be able to take him on, but not on equal terms. A militia DS hits a top level ADS for more damage. That is backwards.

Even a proto suit caught unaware or just unlucky can be killed by a MLT weapon. ISK shouldn't be the deciding factor in this sort of thing.

There may not be good examples in Dust, but in Eve there is an excellent example in Catalyst ganking. Using 10m worth of catalysts (destroyers with a long of firepower) can easily kill a +200m Exhumer even in the security of highsec. The difference being that the ADS can actually fight back.

They are similar in that to prevent them, you need to be paying attention to your surroundings, either watching D-scan and local or paying attention to what the enemy calls in or listening for another dropship's engines.

I kill proto suits on a fairly regular basis and i normally use a standard sentinel suit with blueprint mods and maybe an advanced hmg.
Its more about skill points than isk.

Even a proto suit caught unaware or just unlucky can be killed by a MLT weapon. ISK shouldn't be the deciding factor in this sort of thing.

And ISK is not the deciding factor as I posted. A militia DS can OHK a Proto ADS. This is not the case in any other area of DUST that has balance. Militia should not OHK proto. In the Sky, on the ground. It is not balanced.

And ISK is not the deciding factor as I posted. A militia DS can OHK a Proto ADS. This is not the case in any other area of DUST that has balance. Militia should not OHK proto. In the Sky, on the ground. It is not balanced.

And ISK is not the deciding factor as I posted. A militia DS can OHK a Proto ADS. This is not the case in any other area of DUST that has balance. Militia should not OHK proto. In the Sky, on the ground. It is not balanced.

And ISK is not the deciding factor as I posted. A militia DS can OHK a Proto ADS. This is not the case in any other area of DUST that has balance. Militia should not OHK proto. In the Sky, on the ground. It is not balanced.