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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6456	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:19:00 - [1] - Quote Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1236	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:21:00 - [2] - Quote I take it all logistics will be looked at separately eventually (When is that by the way? Wasn't it slated for delta alongside commandos?) Aside from that it looks pretty okay. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2766	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:24:00 - [3] - Quote Seems legit, if speed values are untouched. Looking forward some logi love in hotfix echo. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6456	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:26:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I take it all logistics will be looked at separately eventually (When is that by the way? Wasn't it slated for delta alongside commandos?) Aside from that it looks pretty okay. CCP Rattati wrote: Hotfix Delta or later Sidearm rebalance Sniper Rifle review Efficacy bonuses Further slot based PG/CPU updates based on necessity, Scouts, Commandos, Logistics "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Francois Sanchez What The French Red Whines. 100	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:29:00 - [5] - Quote Nice. My Minmando is happy. Are you going to remove basic suits? Because they were already useless before (no bonus compared to specialized suits), but now there is moreover a big HP gap (especially between the medium suit and the assault) And I've always wondered why they were more expensive...

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6456	Posted - 2014.09.02 08:51:00 - [6] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: Nice. My Minmando is happy. Are you going to remove basic suits? Because they were already useless before (no bonus compared to specialized suits), but now there is moreover a big HP gap (especially between the medium suit and the assault) And I've always wondered why they were more expensive... A problem for a later day, there are ways to make them more useful (more PG/CPU, less slots), more HP less PG/CPU to help new players, much cheaper ISK, etc. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1037	Posted - 2014.09.02 09:25:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Excuse the format. FTFY Medium Basic 150+135(285) -> 160+140(300) Medium Assault 200+185(385) ->210+190(400) Heavy Commando 300+260(560) ->330+290(620) Heavy Basic 390+370(760) -> 410+390(800) Heavy Sentinel 390+435(825) ->410+460(870) Dust/Eve transfers
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4739	Posted - 2014.09.02 10:43:00 - [8] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Excuse the format. FTFY ... Rattati: You should also include the total ehp change. Medium Basic +15 Medium Assault +15 Heavy Commando +60 Heavy Basic +40 Heavy Sentinel +45 These numbers are going to look even more beastly with level 5 skills 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 728	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:18:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 looks good cannot wait to see the commando and logi buff/tweak list hopfully +1 slot on all commando and come extra cpu and pg.. so calmando basic can fit an armor repair as having to wait till advanced calmando to fit an armor repair is just bad mechanics or give them more HP/s repair on the suits themselves like 5hp/s on basic 10hp/s on adv and 15hp/s on pro.. this would open them up to useing kinkats and such.. as for logi.. caldari logi needs more cpu.. all logi need sidearms because of how much eHP everyone has now a days.. and more eHP for the logi suit.. and more definition for logi role.. IE all logi suit get the 10% rep distance and 5% rep amount minmatar get.. but also +1 or +2 CARRIED equipment per level and extra movement speed to compensate for having to brick tank cause of lack of eHP while following around rep targets [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3417	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:20:00 - [10] - Quote Don't see why it's needed personally, but I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2477	Posted - 2014.09.02 11:57:00 - [11] - Quote Its needed because of Minmatar fragility. They all have less total HP at all levels than all other dropsuit races before fitting. A slight buff to eHP means you wont have to brick min suits as hard and can focus on other things.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 534	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:26:00 - [12] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Its needed because of Minmatar fragility. They all have less total HP at all levels than all other dropsuit races before fitting. A slight buff to eHP means you wont have to brick min suits as hard and can focus on other things. i thought this was intended since they have the highest movement speeds?

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6463	Posted - 2014.09.02 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote They still have the lowest, just not disproportionately with Delta "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4119	Posted - 2014.09.02 13:21:00 - [14] - Quote How about this for formatting. Not great, but a little easier to read I think. Proposal: Shield, Armor [Total] \| prop Shield,prop Armor [prop Total] 150,135 [285] \| 160, 140 [300] Medium Basic 200, 185 [385] \| 210, 190[400] Medium Assault: 300, 260 [560] \| 330, 290[620] Heavy Commando: 390, 370 [760] \| 410, 390[800] Heavy Basic: 390, 435 [825] \| 410, 460[870] Heavy Sentinel: Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 188	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:06:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 My MinSent is happy. Thankyou The Blazing Intellect Machine
Derrith Erador 2548	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:18:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal / Shield/Armor/Total/prop Shield/prop Armor/prop Total Medium Basic 150 135 285 160 140 300 Medium Assault 200 185 385 210 190 400 Heavy Commando300 260 560 330 290 620 Heavy Basic 390 370 760 410 390 800 Heavy Sentinel 390 435 825 410 460 870 Tried fixing it, didn't work. The preacher of Betty White, may her pimp hand guide me.
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 223	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:23:00 - [17] - Quote Why no love for the Min logi ? Minmatar logi <3 Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 811	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:46:00 - [18] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Why no love for the Min logi ? Because their current 240 eHP is OP. Joking aside, all I want is their 30 HP that was taken for no reason with the release of Uprising. 120 Shield, 150 Armor. Make it happen please Rattati! Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 465	Posted - 2014.09.02 14:47:00 - [19] - Quote Great move, but why no change for min scout or logi? I get that they'll be looked at later but that seems like a separate issue.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 6482	Posted - 2014.09.02 15:08:00 - [20] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Why no love for the Min logi ? MM logi was fine, 240 vs GA/CA at 270 and Amarr at 300, 30 difference on both sides. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3319	Posted - 2014.09.02 15:39:00 - [21] - Quote I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2203	Posted - 2014.09.02 16:52:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 The numbers are reasonable, and being a dyed-in-blood throat slitter of Ammarrians young and old i can't hate it, but i feel like you are really missing an opportunity to give the game and the races a strong identity here. Moar ehp is like more porridge - it'll keep you alive longer but it is BORING AS HELL. The thing about buffing shield regen rate and decreasing the regen delay is that it forces a different playstyle, and the identity of the suits would come through forcefully in how you handle your merc and inform decisions about viable tactics, etc. This goes for the other races as well, but focusing on Minmatar here atm. I'm sure it makes your balancing job harder, but in the long run better racial identity is much better for the game. PSN: RationalSpark
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1238	Posted - 2014.09.02 17:12:00 - [23] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness. Also this, minmatar suits seem to have really crazy long delays for no justifiable reason. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Gabriel Ceja Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 48	Posted - 2014.09.02 19:18:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: They still have the lowest, just not disproportionately with Delta Hey they may still be weaker next to the others but heck I'll take it all my Minmatar suits thank you. Did you hear that fellow Minmatar were getting an extra layer of duct tape for our suits woooo!!! "Throw on the flux capacitor." activates fuel injector "WOOOOOO!!!"
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2081	Posted - 2014.09.02 23:33:00 - [25] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: I take it all logistics will be looked at separately eventually (When is that by the way? Wasn't it slated for delta alongside commandos?) Aside from that it looks pretty okay. When Uprising 1.8 dropped all Medium Frames were hurting. Glad to see Assaults finally make it out. It really was disgusting yesterday while at a buddy's place yesterday (Labor Day). His Assault had on a plate and was still faster than my Minmatar Logi who only uses Ferroscale. It didn't help the newly improved Light Complex Damage Modifiers made things even worse. If a decision has been made to ignore the health issue then some other parts of the stat-line and/or skills needs more bacon. Otherwise the next hotfix is DOA. Likes are my candy and in these forums every day is Halloween. XD Sweets for everyone! Forums > Game
Jace Kaisar 82	Posted - 2014.09.03 00:34:00 - [26] - Quote Where is my Scout? I'm a Spooky Scary Ghost Before you ask, yes this is me.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2237	Posted - 2014.09.03 01:53:00 - [27] - Quote Can you buff the scout to have exactly 360 shield HP with 3x complex shields? Thanks Yes, I do have OCD. Also, please buff regen instead of HP...switching Cal and Min regen rates and shield delays would be awesome "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 399	Posted - 2014.09.03 04:08:00 - [28] - Quote No scout? :/ That's really disappointing. I'm all for buffing minmatar recharge speed and delays instead of health if you're willing to go that route, it'll retain the minmatar's place in the eHP continuum while allowing them to better function in there role. I'd kill for some efficacy bonuses to rechargers, energizers and regulators. Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 1065	Posted - 2014.09.03 04:23:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Why no love for the Min logi ? MM logi was fine, 240 vs GA/CA at 270 and Amarr at 300, 30 difference on both sides. I'm assuming Min logistics will be buffed to have the best speed and stamina regen and best shield regen rates and amount to compensate being easier to kill than basics. It takes more SP and isk to run logistics compared to an assault. Yet it isn't 'necessary' to buff them? Doesn't the investment count for anything? But it's perfectly ok to buff assaults that just got 150 more eHP and slots at zero cost? I'm sensing major favoritism. You rattatai,have present zero legit reasons to keep logistics nerfed beyond 'quid pro quo' statements. Tell me that logistics is getting nothing while costing the most investment and i'll biomass tomorrow. I've sat through being nerfed,i've sat through FOTM leaving logistics a ragged and dirty stain because of the FOTM prevention nerfs,i refuse to sit through anymore. If there is nothing for logistics in this next update i'm biomassing and i'll go play a game that respects support and actually desires their game to succeed. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 387	Posted - 2014.09.03 05:51:00 - [30] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, please buff regen ~~instead of~~ as well as HP...switching Cal and Min regen rates and shield delays would be awesome FTFY Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.

bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 387	Posted - 2014.09.03 05:57:00 - [31] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: The numbers are reasonable, and being a dyed-in-blood throat slitter of Ammarrians young and old i can't hate it, but i feel like you are really missing an opportunity to give the game and the races a strong identity here. That's beautiful, man. :'-) Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2014.09.03 05:57:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Francois Sanchez wrote: Nice. My Minmando is happy. Are you going to remove basic suits? Because they were already useless before (no bonus compared to specialized suits), but now there is moreover a big HP gap (especially between the medium suit and the assault) And I've always wondered why they were more expensive... A problem for a later day, there are ways to make them more useful (more PG/CPU, less slots), more HP less PG/CPU to help new players, much cheaper ISK, etc. What do you mean less slots more cpu/pg?I have plenty of cpu/pg on my min heavy frame if anything add an extra low or something.It doesnt even get any resist bonuses a little extra speed or armor on a low slot wouldnt be op.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 387	Posted - 2014.09.03 06:07:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: I take it all logistics will be looked at separately eventually (When is that by the way? Wasn't it slated for delta alongside commandos?) Aside from that it looks pretty okay. CCP Rattati wrote: Hotfix Delta or later Sidearm rebalance Sniper Rifle review Efficacy bonuses Further slot based PG/CPU updates based on necessity, Scouts, Commandos, Logistics On necessity... - for all Scouts: nerf CPU/PG and bonus fitting of EWAR mods - for MinMandos: buff eHP and speed - for all Logis: buff eHP and speed Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1098	Posted - 2014.09.03 08:24:00 - [34] - Quote The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout. Did I mention he had a Boundless CR? The ridiculous amount of versatility they have over any other suits in the game completely makes up for any lack of HP compared to other races suits. Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3078	Posted - 2014.09.03 16:08:00 - [35] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout. Did I mention he had a Boundless CR? The ridiculous amount of versatility they have over any other suits in the game completely makes up for any lack of HP compared to other races suits. As a minmatar assault I would take a regen buff over an ehp buff any day. Currently if you run a minmatar suit it's caldari counter part can achieve not only higher shields but higher regen. This not only doesn't apply with the lore Amarr: High armor low rep Gal: low armor high rep Cal: high shields slow recharge Min: low shields high recharge You'll see a lot more people actually running the suit how it's supposed to dual tanked with a preference to shields as opposed to what it is now dual tanked with a preference to armor. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3440	Posted - 2014.09.03 21:20:00 - [36] - Quote If I'm honest the Minmatar would benifit more from swapping shield delay statistics with the caldari. It's kind of unfair the Caldari gets all of it. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 294	Posted - 2014.09.03 21:26:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Why no love for the Min logi ? MM logi was fine, 240 vs GA/CA at 270 and Amarr at 300, 30 difference on both sides. All due respect if you actually believe that it's past time you quit living in data-analysis-land and spend a month living solely in Logistics-ville. We are running around in an environment weaponized to address 600 average hp frames. Not. Good. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 2088	Posted - 2014.09.04 01:32:00 - [38] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: If I'm honest the Minmatar would benifit more from swapping shield delay statistics with the caldari. It's kind of unfair the Caldari gets all of it. Think of it is way, the Minmatar gets it all when it comes to speed and endurance. They also enjoy a better set of fitting options. Personally I'm fine with any eHP buff for the Minmatar Logi ALT. Things have gotten so crazy I have to double stack shield extenders. If anything else is fitted he dies to everything. Likes are my candy and in these forums every day is Halloween. XD Sweets for everyone! Forums > Game
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 173	Posted - 2014.09.04 01:38:00 - [39] - Quote Minmatar suits Ehp buffs are on point Especially on the minmando suits! I also like the assaults even number to 400 ehp will full stats. I have no qualms here However, the only discrepancy is that the min shield delays are the same values of armor suits and that is not good for a suit that fights with its shield even though it has a tendency to duel tank for versatility sake The caldari and minmatar are supposed to be best shield users so the regen delays should be better on these suits vs armor suits From a game-play perspective i can understand why caldari has the best shield and lowest delays because the focus of the suit is shield and armor tanking is a back seat (people do it in game anyway but it's part of the whole ehp meta-game in dust). The minmatar can duel tank but it still focuses on shield rather than armor. So i propose a shield delay change as well. Some say the values should be reversed but i think it would just as fine to lower the delays to be a bit worse than caldari but better in comparison to the gal and amarr suits. Right now i believe the delays for assaults and commando suits are( im can't think of sentinel suits ATM) 6 sec shield recharge delay 10 sec shield deplete recharge delay both of these are too high for a suit with a focus on shield protection I think they both should be lower i believe 4-5 second delay 6-7 second deplete delay The minmatar will be mid ground on shield so the focus is there but not enough to be an overwhelming advantage if a fitting focuses on armor tank because they still have the lowest ehp even when tanked and obvious compromises. i think shield regen is fine but a slight buff wouldn't hurt Something to think about in echo if too late to implement in delta 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3331	Posted - 2014.09.04 01:42:00 - [40] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness. I realized that this is a rather vague statement, so let me spell out what I'd like to see. First, let's look at the current Minmatar shield regen stats. Assault/Medium Frame- 25/s, 6/8s delay Logistics- 20/s, 4/6s delay Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 20/s, 4/6s delay Commando- 18/s, 6/10s delay Scout/Light Frame- 40/s, 4/5s delay Now, I've seen other people in this thread who say we should simply switch the Minmatar and Caldari stats out. I wish I could be in agreement, but that frankly is a very large nerf to the Caldari suits, who are already in a pretty good place, and a pretty substantial buff to the Minmatar at the same time would make them outclass the Caldari, which I wouldn't want to see. Leave the Caldari as is, and just buff the Minmatar. I would like to see: Assault/Medium Frame- 30/s, 3/8s delay Logistics- 25/s, 3/6s delay Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 30/s, 3/6s delay Commando- 20/s, 4/10s delay Scout/Light Frame- 50/s, 2/5s delay So the Assault and Logistics suits get +5/s, the Commando gets +2/s, and the Scout and Sentinel get +10/s. This brings their shield regen equivalent to Caldari, but the delay stats are where they are different. Their depleted delay stats stay where they currently are, still better than Gallente/Amarr, but not as good as the Caldari, whereas the non-depleted delay stats are better than the Caldari. My reasoning behind this is that the Minmatar are hit and run. You don't run into a room with the intent of toe-to-toe fighting, but you will take some damage, and they are able to go from half shields to full faster than any other suit. It really fits their fighting philosophy, in my opinion. SP Sinks? Fixed.

Atiim 11850	Posted - 2014.09.05 03:26:00 - [41] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout. The only fit I found on an ADV MinAssault that gets you to 450HP of Armor while remaining feasible is 1 Complex Armor Plate with a Complex Ferroscale Plate to boot. It's sprint speed (with max skills) is 7.4m/s Even an Amarr Scout with no plating (7.71m/s) can out-run that fitting. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 222	Posted - 2014.09.05 04:10:00 - [42] - Quote As a MiniHeavy myself I have to admit I dont think we need an HP buff. We are a tad squishie sure. But that is more due to slot layouts and the viability of shield tanking than anything. Instead of HP - i'd say we're better off with a small PG/CPU buff. That'll let us have a bit more flexibility with fits and give more variety of MinHeavy Types. And we maintain our squishiness which is a Minmatar thing.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 721	Posted - 2014.09.05 13:35:00 - [43] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Since you've removed the native Minmatarr ehp penalties, are you going to remove the Amarr native speed penalities ? To keep balance between Amarr and Minmatarr dropsuits.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 721	Posted - 2014.09.05 13:37:00 - [44] - Quote Atiim wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout. The only fit I found on an ADV MinAssault that gets you to 450HP of Armor while remaining feasible is 1 Complex Armor Plate with a Complex Ferroscale Plate to boot. It's sprint speed (with max skills) is 7.4m/s Even an Amarr Scout with no plating (7.71m/s) can out-run that fitting. But then the Amarr scout don't get these 350hp shields and 450 armors soooo.....
Atiim 11859	Posted - 2014.09.05 13:44:00 - [45] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Atiim wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout. The only fit I found on an ADV MinAssault that gets you to 450HP of Armor while remaining feasible is 1 Complex Armor Plate with a Complex Ferroscale Plate to boot. It's sprint speed (with max skills) is 7.4m/s Even an Amarr Scout with no plating (7.71m/s) can out-run that fitting. But then the Amarr scout don't get these 350hp shields and 450 armors soooo..... Nor should it, as Scouts are not meant to have high eHP. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3452	Posted - 2014.09.05 14:11:00 - [46] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Logi Bro wrote: I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness. I realized that this is a rather vague statement, so let me spell out what I'd like to see. First, let's look at the current Minmatar shield regen stats. Assault/Medium Frame- 25/s, 6/8s delay Logistics- 20/s, 4/6s delay Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 20/s, 4/6s delay Commando- 18/s, 6/10s delay Scout/Light Frame- 40/s, 4/5s delay Now, I've seen other people in this thread who say we should simply switch the Minmatar and Caldari stats out. I wish I could be in agreement, but that frankly is a very large nerf to the Caldari suits, who are already in a pretty good place, and a pretty substantial buff to the Minmatar at the same time would make them outclass the Caldari, which I wouldn't want to see. Leave the Caldari as is, and just buff the Minmatar. I would like to see: Assault/Medium Frame- 30/s, 3/8s delay Logistics- 25/s, 3/6s delay Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 30/s, 3/6s delay Commando- 20/s, 4/10s delay Scout/Light Frame- 50/s, 2/5s delay So the Assault and Logistics suits get +5/s, the Commando gets +2/s, and the Scout and Sentinel get +10/s. This brings their shield regen equivalent to Caldari, but the delay stats are where they are different. Their depleted delay stats stay where they currently are, still better than Gallente/Amarr, but not as good as the Caldari, whereas the non-depleted delay stats are better than the Caldari. My reasoning behind this is that the Minmatar are hit and run. You don't run into a room with the intent of toe-to-toe fighting, but you will take some damage, and they are able to go from half shields to full faster than any other suit. It really fits their fighting philosophy, in my opinion. I disagree if your doing hit and run, your going to take a lot of damage in a very shot period of time, most Minmatar fits will have less shields than a caldari scout (400 Shields), you'll never see the benifit of these stat changes unless you tank large amounts of shield eHP. Which is also against the Minmatar doctrine. Minmatar don't need better shield regen because you have so little eHP you end with a lower downtime with the other suits. I anything I would say the Depleted delay needs to be faster than the caldari, because the caldari prefer to pull out before their huge eHP buffer is depleted. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3337	Posted - 2014.09.05 17:04:00 - [47] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree if your doing hit and run, your going to take a lot of damage in a very shot period of time, most Minmatar fits will have less shields than a caldari scout (400 Shields), you'll never see the benifit of these stat changes unless you tank large amounts of shield eHP. That's not how hit and run works. If you do it right, you will take minimal damage, specifically why they have lower shields. Which is also against the Minmatar doctrine. Minmatar don't need better shield regen because you have so little eHP you end with a lower downtime with the other suits. No. That is just factually false. With maxed cores, from depleted shields it would take a Minassault 18seconds to fully regen, whereas it takes the Caldari 16.5seconds. And the Caldari are getting much more effect per second to boot. From half shields it takes the Minassault 11seconds and it takes the Caldari 9.7seconds. I'm not even mentioning the sentinel suits, where the disparity between Minmatar and Caldari full shield regen is massive. I anything I would say the Depleted delay needs to be faster than the caldari, because the caldari prefer to pull out before their huge eHP buffer is depleted. The Caldari's number one and only defense is in their shields, they have nothing without them. It would make sense for them to have the fastest depleted delay because they NEED their shields back right away or they will die. On the other hand, when the Minmatar shields are depleted, they have a semi-decent armor buffer left over, and a high speed to expedite them from danger. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.09.05 23:59:00 - [48] - Quote Well honestly even though Im MinHeavy, I personally see no problem with Caldari keeping both the shield buffer advantage and the shield recharge advantages. It's moot because until the shield depleted recharge issue is fixed that sexy 1second Depleted Shield Recharge Delay doesn't exist. Thing is -- that's all inherent. The ONLY thing Min got is stamina regen. And it's cool - but not really on par with the other suit's skills. But we have a slot layout that lends itself to variety. Sure we can'T SUPER brick tank like the gals and amar. And we can't SUPER shield tank, pop behind cover for 5 seconds and pop out full again like Caldari. But with creative module placement we are flexible enough to do either of the above at a reasonable level depending on situation. But without PG/CPU we can't variety up our stuff -- so its really no surprise the Min Suits underperform vs other suits. Again - HP wont fix that for us...
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:46:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Francois Sanchez wrote: Nice. My Minmando is happy. Are you going to remove basic suits? Because they were already useless before (no bonus compared to specialized suits), but now there is moreover a big HP gap (especially between the medium suit and the assault) And I've always wondered why they were more expensive... A problem for a later day, there are ways to make them more useful (more PG/CPU, less slots), more HP less PG/CPU to help new players, much cheaper ISK, etc. Ahh allow them to fit better modules...than they can with measly sp..but less over all modules..i love this idea..where come from..was this solution a brainchild of soneone working for ccp. **** when did yall start getting good ideas again GG GfuckingG no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 149	Posted - 2014.09.06 13:47:00 - [50] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Well honestly even though Im MinHeavy, I personally see no problem with Caldari keeping both the shield buffer advantage and the shield recharge advantages. It's moot because until the shield depleted recharge issue is fixed that sexy 1second Depleted Shield Recharge Delay doesn't exist. Thing is -- that's all inherent. The ONLY thing Min got is stamina regen. And it's cool - but not really on par with the other suit's skills. But we have a slot layout that lends itself to variety. Sure we can'T SUPER brick tank like the gals and amar. And we can't SUPER shield tank, pop behind cover for 5 seconds and pop out full again like Caldari. But with creative module placement we are flexible enough to do either of the above at a reasonable level depending on situation. But without PG/CPU we can't variety up our stuff -- so its really no surprise the Min Suits underperform vs other suits. Again - HP wont fix that for us... You name makes me giggle no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil

BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 205	Posted - 2014.09.06 19:56:00 - [51] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: Well honestly even though Im MinHeavy, I personally see no problem with Caldari keeping both the shield buffer advantage and the shield recharge advantages. It's moot because until the shield depleted recharge issue is fixed that sexy 1second Depleted Shield Recharge Delay doesn't exist. Thing is -- that's all inherent. The ONLY thing Min got is stamina regen. And it's cool - but not really on par with the other suit's skills. But we have a slot layout that lends itself to variety. Sure we can'T SUPER brick tank like the gals and amar. And we can't SUPER shield tank, pop behind cover for 5 seconds and pop out full again like Caldari. But with creative module placement we are flexible enough to do either of the above at a reasonable level depending on situation. But without PG/CPU we can't variety up our stuff -- so its really no surprise the Min Suits underperform vs other suits. Again - HP wont fix that for us... +1 The Blazing Intellect Machine
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 755	Posted - 2014.09.07 19:51:00 - [52] - Quote looks good. they really do need a bit of love, beginning to like the look of HF:D Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1213	Posted - 2014.09.09 16:27:00 - [53] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok. Alldin Kan has joined the battle!
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 135	Posted - 2014.09.09 19:30:00 - [54] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok. Its only 40 hp you that scared my min heavys gonna be shittng on you. Because you should be.
Tyrunis Bloodstone Anubis Prime Syndicate 33	Posted - 2014.09.10 09:54:00 - [55] - Quote As a minmatar heavy, I'm very happy with these changes. Now I have a little bit of a more fighting chance against other racial variants. Speed will remain unchanged, right?
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3349	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:42:00 - [56] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok. Its only 40 hp you that scared my min heavys gonna be shittng on you. Because you should be. I don't think you read his post correctly. He was saying change it so that the 410shields/460armor would instead be 460shields/410armor. Not a nerf. SP Sinks? Fixed.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:37:00 - [57] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok. Its only 40 hp you that scared my min heavys gonna be shittng on you. Because you should be. I don't think you read his post correctly. He was saying change it so that the 410shields/460armor would instead be 460shields/410armor. Not a nerf. Still id rather have it on armor for a little logi support.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3349	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:52:00 - [58] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Still id rather have it on armor for a little logi support. You can still have logi support with 410 armor. It would be 512 armor with maxed cores. I'd rather if we had more shields, then we could change the damage reduction of plasma on armor to a reduction of plasma on shields. Doesn't make much sense the way we have it now. SP Sinks? Fixed.
taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 261	Posted - 2014.09.11 10:49:00 - [59] - Quote love the EHP buff to mini comando, but with the assault i would prefer a sheild re-gen bonus instead of the EHP.
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1150	Posted - 2014.09.13 13:20:00 - [60] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok. Its only 40 hp you that scared my min heavys gonna be shittng on you. Because you should be. I don't think you read his post correctly. He was saying change it so that the 410shields/460armor would instead be 460shields/410armor. Not a nerf. I would rather t be more armor based so the minmatar will still have 2/2 shield/armor suits so we won't have 3/4 being shield based with the exception if the commando. SP earned perday/week



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