The numbers are reasonable, and being a dyed-in-blood throat slitter of Ammarrians young and old i can't hate it, but i feel like you are really missing an opportunity to give the game and the races a strong identity here.

A problem for a later day, there are ways to make them more useful (more PG/CPU, less slots), more HP less PG/CPU to help new players, much cheaper ISK, etc.

The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout.

Did I mention he had a Boundless CR? The ridiculous amount of versatility they have over any other suits in the game completely makes up for any lack of HP compared to other races suits.

MM logi was fine, 240 vs GA/CA at 270 and Amarr at 300, 30 difference on both sides.

If I'm honest the Minmatar would benifit more from swapping shield delay statistics with the caldari.
It's kind of unfair the Caldari gets all of it.

I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness.

The only reason why I think their HP values are completely fine as is, is just how easily you can dual tank with them. A couple hours ago I saw an advanced assault running 350 shields and 450 armor and it still was faster than my unplated scout.

Mercenaries

We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente.

Excuse the format.

Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total
Medium Basic 150135285160140300
Medium Assault 200185385210190400
Heavy Commando300260560330290620
Heavy Basic 390370760410390800
Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870

The only fit I found on an ADV MinAssault that gets you to 450HP of Armor while remaining feasible is 1 Complex Armor Plate with a Complex Ferroscale Plate to boot. It's sprint speed (with max skills) is 7.4m/s

Even an Amarr Scout with no plating (7.71m/s) can out-run that fitting.

But then the Amarr scout don't get these 350hp shields and 450 armors soooo.....

I realized that this is a rather vague statement, so let me spell out what I'd like to see. First, let's look at the current Minmatar shield regen stats.

Assault/Medium Frame- 25/s, 6/8s delay
Logistics- 20/s, 4/6s delay
Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 20/s, 4/6s delay
Commando- 18/s, 6/10s delay
Scout/Light Frame- 40/s, 4/5s delay

Now, I've seen other people in this thread who say we should simply switch the Minmatar and Caldari stats out. I wish I could be in agreement, but that frankly is a very large nerf to the Caldari suits, who are already in a pretty good place, and a pretty substantial buff to the Minmatar at the same time would make them outclass the Caldari, which I wouldn't want to see. Leave the Caldari as is, and just buff the Minmatar. I would like to see:

Assault/Medium Frame- 30/s, 3/8s delay
Logistics- 25/s, 3/6s delay
Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 30/s, 3/6s delay
Commando- 20/s, 4/10s delay
Scout/Light Frame- 50/s, 2/5s delay

So the Assault and Logistics suits get +5/s, the Commando gets +2/s, and the Scout and Sentinel get +10/s. This brings their shield regen equivalent to Caldari, but the delay stats are where they are different. Their depleted delay stats stay where they currently are, still better than Gallente/Amarr, but not as good as the Caldari, whereas the non-depleted delay stats are better than the Caldari. My reasoning behind this is that the Minmatar are hit and run. You don't run into a room with the intent of toe-to-toe fighting, but you will take some damage, and they are able to go from half shields to full faster than any other suit. It really fits their fighting philosophy, in my opinion.

I disagree if your doing hit and run, your going to take a lot of damage in a very shot period of time, most Minmatar fits will have less shields than a caldari scout (400 Shields), you'll never see the benifit of these stat changes unless you tank large amounts of shield eHP.

That's not how hit and run works. If you do it right, you will take minimal damage, specifically why they have lower shields.

Which is also against the Minmatar doctrine. Minmatar don't need better shield regen because you have so little eHP you end with a lower downtime with the other suits.

No. That is just factually false. With maxed cores, from depleted shields it would take a Minassault 18seconds to fully regen, whereas it takes the Caldari 16.5seconds. And the Caldari are getting much more effect per second to boot. From half shields it takes the Minassault 11seconds and it takes the Caldari 9.7seconds. I'm not even mentioning the sentinel suits, where the disparity between Minmatar and Caldari full shield regen is massive.

I anything I would say the Depleted delay needs to be faster than the caldari, because the caldari prefer to pull out before their huge eHP buffer is depleted.

The Caldari's number one and only defense is in their shields, they have nothing without them. It would make sense for them to have the fastest depleted delay because they NEED their shields back right away or they will die. On the other hand, when the Minmatar shields are depleted, they have a semi-decent armor buffer left over, and a high speed to expedite them from danger.

A problem for a later day, there are ways to make them more useful (more PG/CPU, less slots), more HP less PG/CPU to help new players, much cheaper ISK, etc.

Well honestly even though Im MinHeavy, I personally see no problem with Caldari keeping both the shield buffer advantage and the shield recharge advantages. It's moot because until the shield depleted recharge issue is fixed that sexy 1second Depleted Shield Recharge Delay doesn't exist.

Thing is -- that's all inherent. The ONLY thing Min got is stamina regen. And it's cool - but not really on par with the other suit's skills.

But we have a slot layout that lends itself to variety. Sure we can'T SUPER brick tank like the gals and amar. And we can't SUPER shield tank, pop behind cover for 5 seconds and pop out full again like Caldari. But with creative module placement we are flexible enough to do either of the above at a reasonable level depending on situation.

But without PG/CPU we can't variety up our stuff -- so its really no surprise the Min Suits underperform vs other suits. Again - HP wont fix that for us...

Well honestly even though Im MinHeavy, I personally see no problem with Caldari keeping both the shield buffer advantage and the shield recharge advantages. It's moot because until the shield depleted recharge issue is fixed that sexy 1second Depleted Shield Recharge Delay doesn't exist.

Thing is -- that's all inherent. The ONLY thing Min got is stamina regen. And it's cool - but not really on par with the other suit's skills.

But we have a slot layout that lends itself to variety. Sure we can'T SUPER brick tank like the gals and amar. And we can't SUPER shield tank, pop behind cover for 5 seconds and pop out full again like Caldari. But with creative module placement we are flexible enough to do either of the above at a reasonable level depending on situation.

But without PG/CPU we can't variety up our stuff -- so its really no surprise the Min Suits underperform vs other suits. Again - HP wont fix that for us...

Mercenaries

We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente.

Excuse the format.

Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total
Medium Basic 150135285160140300
Medium Assault 200185385210190400
Heavy Commando300260560330290620
Heavy Basic 390370760410390800
Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870

Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok.

Its only 40 hp you that scared my min heavys gonna be shittng on you. Because you should be.

I don't think you read his post correctly. He was saying change it so that the 410shields/460armor would instead be 460shields/410armor. Not a nerf.

Still id rather have it on armor for a little logi support.

I don't think you read his post correctly. He was saying change it so that the 410shields/460armor would instead be 460shields/410armor. Not a nerf.