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Monkey MAC wrote:

I disagree if your doing hit and run, your going to take a lot of damage in a very shot period of time, most Minmatar fits will have less shields than a caldari scout (400 Shields), you'll never see the benifit of these stat changes unless you tank large amounts of shield eHP.

That's not how hit and run works. If you do it right, you will take minimal damage, specifically why they have lower shields.

Which is also against the Minmatar doctrine. Minmatar don't need better shield regen because you have so little eHP you end with a lower downtime with the other suits.

No. That is just factually false. With maxed cores, from depleted shields it would take a Minassault 18seconds to fully regen, whereas it takes the Caldari 16.5seconds. And the Caldari are getting much more effect per second to boot. From half shields it takes the Minassault 11seconds and it takes the Caldari 9.7seconds. I'm not even mentioning the sentinel suits, where the disparity between Minmatar and Caldari full shield regen is massive.

I anything I would say the Depleted delay needs to be faster than the caldari, because the caldari prefer to pull out before their huge eHP buffer is depleted.

The Caldari's number one and only defense is in their shields, they have nothing without them. It would make sense for them to have the fastest depleted delay because they NEED their shields back right away or they will die. On the other hand, when the Minmatar shields are depleted, they have a semi-decent armor buffer left over, and a high speed to expedite them from danger.


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Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3319	Posted - 2014.09.02 15:39:00 - [1] - Quote I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3331	Posted - 2014.09.04 01:42:00 - [2] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I said it in a previous thread, but I'd just like to reiterate: if you are going to buff Minmatar across the board, as a Minmatar user, I think it would be much more beneficial for the suits to receive shield recharge and/or recharge delay buffs rather than eHP buffs. I don't know about other people, but I definitely didn't choose the Minmatar for their tanky-ness. I realized that this is a rather vague statement, so let me spell out what I'd like to see. First, let's look at the current Minmatar shield regen stats. Assault/Medium Frame- 25/s, 6/8s delay Logistics- 20/s, 4/6s delay Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 20/s, 4/6s delay Commando- 18/s, 6/10s delay Scout/Light Frame- 40/s, 4/5s delay Now, I've seen other people in this thread who say we should simply switch the Minmatar and Caldari stats out. I wish I could be in agreement, but that frankly is a very large nerf to the Caldari suits, who are already in a pretty good place, and a pretty substantial buff to the Minmatar at the same time would make them outclass the Caldari, which I wouldn't want to see. Leave the Caldari as is, and just buff the Minmatar. I would like to see: Assault/Medium Frame- 30/s, 3/8s delay Logistics- 25/s, 3/6s delay Sentinel/Heavy Frame- 30/s, 3/6s delay Commando- 20/s, 4/10s delay Scout/Light Frame- 50/s, 2/5s delay So the Assault and Logistics suits get +5/s, the Commando gets +2/s, and the Scout and Sentinel get +10/s. This brings their shield regen equivalent to Caldari, but the delay stats are where they are different. Their depleted delay stats stay where they currently are, still better than Gallente/Amarr, but not as good as the Caldari, whereas the non-depleted delay stats are better than the Caldari. My reasoning behind this is that the Minmatar are hit and run. You don't run into a room with the intent of toe-to-toe fighting, but you will take some damage, and they are able to go from half shields to full faster than any other suit. It really fits their fighting philosophy, in my opinion. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3337	Posted - 2014.09.05 17:04:00 - [3] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I disagree if your doing hit and run, your going to take a lot of damage in a very shot period of time, most Minmatar fits will have less shields than a caldari scout (400 Shields), you'll never see the benifit of these stat changes unless you tank large amounts of shield eHP. That's not how hit and run works. If you do it right, you will take minimal damage, specifically why they have lower shields. Which is also against the Minmatar doctrine. Minmatar don't need better shield regen because you have so little eHP you end with a lower downtime with the other suits. No. That is just factually false. With maxed cores, from depleted shields it would take a Minassault 18seconds to fully regen, whereas it takes the Caldari 16.5seconds. And the Caldari are getting much more effect per second to boot. From half shields it takes the Minassault 11seconds and it takes the Caldari 9.7seconds. I'm not even mentioning the sentinel suits, where the disparity between Minmatar and Caldari full shield regen is massive. I anything I would say the Depleted delay needs to be faster than the caldari, because the caldari prefer to pull out before their huge eHP buffer is depleted. The Caldari's number one and only defense is in their shields, they have nothing without them. It would make sense for them to have the fastest depleted delay because they NEED their shields back right away or they will die. On the other hand, when the Minmatar shields are depleted, they have a semi-decent armor buffer left over, and a high speed to expedite them from danger. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3349	Posted - 2014.09.10 20:42:00 - [4] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Mercenaries We are basically just increasing eHP of these Minmatar dropsuits, to keep consistency between Amarr and Caldari/Gallente vs Minmatar and Caldari/Gallente. Excuse the format. Proposal ShieldArmorTotalprop Shieldprop Armorprop Total Medium Basic 150135285160140300 Medium Assault 200185385210190400 Heavy Commando300260560330290620 Heavy Basic 390370760410390800 Heavy Sentinel 390435825410460870 Switch the new HP values of the Minmatar Sentinel for it to be shield focused and then it's ok. Its only 40 hp you that scared my min heavys gonna be shittng on you. Because you should be. I don't think you read his post correctly. He was saying change it so that the 410shields/460armor would instead be 460shields/410armor. Not a nerf. SP Sinks? Fixed.
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 3349	Posted - 2014.09.10 21:52:00 - [5] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Still id rather have it on armor for a little logi support. You can still have logi support with 410 armor. It would be 512 armor with maxed cores. I'd rather if we had more shields, then we could change the damage reduction of plasma on armor to a reduction of plasma on shields. Doesn't make much sense the way we have it now. SP Sinks? Fixed.