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Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "** you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2422	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:08:00 - [2] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "** you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell!
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:15:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "** you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell! well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:16:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "** you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell! well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3012	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:21:00 - [5] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet Yes, life is much less scary if things are always the same and never change. I want a game where I can spec into something overpowered and never have them take it away from me! Stop balance! Stop making things reasonable! Stop improving overall quality of the game! Make Flavor of the Month, Flavor of the FOREVER! IM PETER DINKLAGE AND THIS IS OUR DESTINY!
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1941	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:21:00 - [6] - Quote While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2425	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:23:00 - [7] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. sympathy level: Zero.
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:33:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet Yes, life is much less scary if things are always the same and never change. I want a game where I can spec into something overpowered and never have them take it away from me! Stop balance! Stop making things reasonable! Stop improving overall quality of the game! Make Flavor of the Month, Flavor of the FOREVER! IM PETER DINKLAGE AND THIS IS OUR DESTINY! Balancing is one thing, completely altering race stats without warning is another, and flavor of the month is just to keep the tryhards entertained and feel on top, also, weapons are usually the op things as of late, not so much the classes ..if you wanna troll at least be smart about it. but i digress...you can be a ninny and tell yourself these things all day. doesnt change my opinion of them not caring about the player choices in what's supposed to be a very choice driven game run by the community.
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:35:00 - [9] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. sympathy level: Zero. Dude no point to you being here...stop looking dumb
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3014	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:37:00 - [10] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Balancing is one thing, completely altering race stats without warning is another, and flavor of the month is just to keep the tryhards entertained and feel on top, also, weapons are usually the op things as of late, not so much the classes ..if you wanna troll at least be smart about it. but i digress...you can be a ninny and tell yourself these things all day. doesnt change my opinion of them not caring about the player choices in what's supposed to be a very choice driven game run by the community. I specced into Caldari Scout because I wanted a long range scanning platform, cause you know, Caldari are long range and all that jazz so.... How did they change that role?

Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:38:00 - [11] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Yeah and there's where my problem is, I mained caldari it wasnt flavor of the month and i never felt op in the suit, I picked it for the disticnt want for precision. now it's been completely removed and given to the amarr and gallente classes. and I didnt so much mind the tweaks, what pissed me off was where the tweaks were sent.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:39:00 - [12] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. When all weapons are balanced an sp refund wouldnt matter, right? Unless its really not balanced.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2428	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:40:00 - [13] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Dude no point to you being here...stop looking dumb People like you keep talking and saying stupid things, like "the FOTM chasers should get a respec" Kinda hard to resist the temptation to come in and weigh in.
Glitch116 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 140	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:40:00 - [14] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:40:00 - [15] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Balancing is one thing, completely altering race stats without warning is another, and flavor of the month is just to keep the tryhards entertained and feel on top, also, weapons are usually the op things as of late, not so much the classes ..if you wanna troll at least be smart about it. but i digress...you can be a ninny and tell yourself these things all day. doesnt change my opinion of them not caring about the player choices in what's supposed to be a very choice driven game run by the community. I specced into Caldari Scout because I wanted a long range scanning platform, cause you know, Caldari are long range and all that jazz so.... How did they change that role? stop baiting trolls...is it too much for an actual discussion?
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:42:00 - [16] - Quote Glitch116 wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I main cal scouts too dude..and i personally notice the lack of precision unless im proto with 3 complex pre-enhancers...I dunno how you play them, though.
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 712	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:43:00 - [17] - Quote NO...
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:44:00 - [18] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Dude no point to you being here...stop looking dumb People like you keep talking and saying stupid things, like "the FOTM chasers should get a respec" Kinda hard to resist the temptation to come in and weigh in. No im saying i dont approve of radical class role changes...stop over analyzing...we know you're way past smart.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3014	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:44:00 - [19] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Balancing is one thing, completely altering race stats without warning is another, and flavor of the month is just to keep the tryhards entertained and feel on top, also, weapons are usually the op things as of late, not so much the classes ..if you wanna troll at least be smart about it. but i digress...you can be a ninny and tell yourself these things all day. doesnt change my opinion of them not caring about the player choices in what's supposed to be a very choice driven game run by the community. I specced into Caldari Scout because I wanted a long range scanning platform, cause you know, Caldari are long range and all that jazz so.... How did they change that role? stop baiting trolls...is it too much for an actual discussion? It's an honest question, because for me, they didn't change anything, so I don't see an issue. You on the other hand are upset because they "change the role" that YOU defined the role to be. So it comes down to a matter of opinion of what the role of the Caldari scout actually is. You say its high precision scanning, I say I long range scanning. So which one of us is right?
SILENTSAM 69 SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION 712	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:44:00 - [20] - Quote Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great.

Crimson ShieId Psygod9 796	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:45:00 - [21] - Quote You've got four high slots, use them. The Caldari scout is still excellent at precision, it's just not the master in that roll anymore. It is, however, still one of the best scouts in the game. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 232	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:47:00 - [22] - Quote to be fair the only difference for the caldari is a precision enhancer in the highs instead of a tank mod which is a good thing. i think the caldari scout got off light as if you look at the rest of the suits mini has more PG than caldari. i know the QQ would have been epic but i think that your lucky the CPU and PG of the mini and caldari suits did not get changed if your a caldari scout user. honestly i don't see what the bitching is all about? although slightly weekend its still a top tier suit.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1081	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:49:00 - [23] - Quote OP thinks complex precision is useless on the scout with the best range Thinks OP is a n00b scout *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
taxi bastard Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 232	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:51:00 - [24] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Yeah and there's where my problem is, I mained caldari it wasnt flavor of the month and i never felt op in the suit, I picked it for the disticnt want for precision. now it's been completely removed and given to the amarr and gallente classes. and I didnt so much mind the tweaks, what pissed me off was where the tweaks were sent. Like what was really the point of robbing the caldari scout completely of it's sight? dude i mean really? robbing the caldari suit of its sight? unless you have not figured it out there is precision enhancers.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2428	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:54:00 - [25] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Dude no point to you being here...stop looking dumb People like you keep talking and saying stupid things, like "the FOTM chasers should get a respec" Kinda hard to resist the temptation to come in and weigh in. No im saying i dont approve of radical class role changes...stop over analyzing...we know you're way past smart. I ain't analyzing sh*t. You're the one complaining that it's unfair that Cal Scouts have to choose between awesome vision, gank or tank. Sounds like they're performing as intended and I still find myself getting killed by the little bastards so they arent exactly annihilated wholesale. Or is it you want to be able to do everything?
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:55:00 - [26] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great. Well yeah they're still good, i do good with it, i could have been good with any scout class. my point IIIISSS that I spec'd into them for their PRECISION. perhaps you're more lacadaisacle about it, but it was the only reason i spent a mil+ isk on precision
Glitch116 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 140	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:55:00 - [27] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Glitch116 wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I main cal scouts too dude..and i personally notice the lack of precision unless im proto with 3 complex pre-enhancers...I dunno how you play them, though. my work horse fits at advanced is 1 complex extender 2 complex percision 1 complex kincat 1 complex damp cloak smg for rifles i go to 2 extenders 1 persicion 1 damp 1 range cloak compact Scp works great you just got to learn to spot cloakys with your eyes i dont have problems fighting people getting under my scans I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2428	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:56:00 - [28] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great. Well yeah they're still good, i do good with it, i could have been good with any scout class. my point IIIISSS that I spec'd into them for their PRECISION. perhaps you're more lacadaisacle about it, but it was the only reason i spent a mil+ isk on precision So fit the precision enhancers. It's what they're there for.
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:57:00 - [29] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Dude no point to you being here...stop looking dumb People like you keep talking and saying stupid things, like "the FOTM chasers should get a respec" Kinda hard to resist the temptation to come in and weigh in. No im saying i dont approve of radical class role changes...stop over analyzing...we know you're way past smart. I ain't analyzing sh*t. You're the one complaining that it's unfair that Cal Scouts have to choose between awesome vision, gank or tank. Sounds like they're performing as intended and I still find myself getting killed by the little bastards so they arent exactly annihilated wholesale. Or is it you want to be able to do everything? ooohh...so bold all of a sudden and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2428	Posted - 2014.08.30 19:59:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah it got through a while ago. I just find this logic loop amusing.

Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:00:00 - [31] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great. Well yeah they're still good, i do good with it, i could have been good with any scout class. my point IIIISSS that I spec'd into them for their PRECISION. perhaps you're more lacadaisacle about it, but it was the only reason i spent a mil+ isk on precision So fit the precision enhancers. It's what they're there for. it's not the same, imagine playing final fantasy 10 another game thats all about customization with an extensive skill tree...and the game keeps ******* with those stats you made? you guys might be happy that you can just shoot things in an average fps...but i got into the game for the nice stats trees, but eh...
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:02:00 - [32] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: SILENTSAM 69 wrote: Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great. Well yeah they're still good, i do good with it, i could have been good with any scout class. my point IIIISSS that I spec'd into them for their PRECISION. perhaps you're more lacadaisacle about it, but it was the only reason i spent a mil+ isk on precision So fit the precision enhancers. It's what they're there for. it's not the same, imagine playing final fantasy 10 another game thats all about customization with an extensive skill tree...and the game keeps ******* with those stats you made? you guys might be happy that you can just shoot things in an average fps...but i got into the game for the nice stats trees, but eh... Also another flaw about this, now that caldari main in range, it sucks even more, cus cal scouts only have 2 lows, which means not only do i have to use prec-modules that take up more space, they can barely utilize their new specialty effectively
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:03:00 - [33] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Yeah it got through a while ago. I just find this logic loop amusing. your ignorance is amusing...now leave
Boot Booter Pure Evil. 879	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:09:00 - [34] - Quote These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO. Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:09:00 - [35] - Quote Glitch116 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Glitch116 wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I main cal scouts too dude..and i personally notice the lack of precision unless im proto with 3 complex pre-enhancers...I dunno how you play them, though. my work horse fits at advanced is 1 complex extender 2 complex percision 1 complex kincat 1 complex damp cloak smg for rifles i go to 2 extenders 1 persicion 1 damp 1 range cloak compact Scp works great you just got to learn to spot cloakys with your eyes i dont have problems fighting people getting under my scans Cloaky's are never a problem, i mean gallente used to be but since they're been somewhat nerfed in the hiding aspect, easy to spot them all, but even with both your fit, which are similar to mine, a few of my contacts do not show up on the radar like they used too, like i said only equivalent is when i go proto with 3 complex, precisions, and im a person that likes to set up R.E traps
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:14:00 - [36] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO. Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. Like i keep saying, the balancige good..but i don't see the reason for changing the scout specialties. and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..gah...even if i got the hot fixed version of the free precision, its what i chose to frackin spec into, im sorry if im a criminal for wanting to play Dust for what Dust excels in...but hay..YES im butthurt cus of the changes.
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:18:00 - [37] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Yeah and there's where my problem is, I mained caldari it wasnt flavor of the month and i never felt op in the suit, I picked it for the disticnt want for precision. now it's been completely removed and given to the amarr and gallente classes. and I didnt so much mind the tweaks, what pissed me off was where the tweaks were sent. Like what was really the point of robbing the caldari scout completely of it's sight? dude i mean really? robbing the caldari suit of its sight? unless you have not figured it out there is precision enhancers. anyone can equip precision enhancers..i chose cal cus it was inherent, now what?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3015	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:19:00 - [38] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT.. That's your personal opinion, others would disagree.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1081	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:19:00 - [39] - Quote by the way OP let this be a lesson to you. sounds like you haven't been playing dust for very long. CCP ***** NERFS EVERYTHING. GET USED TO IT. Do you realize how many of us spent MORE than you did on your Cal Scout just on Assault Rifles before they were nerfed? Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:27:00 - [40] - Quote bamboo x wrote: by the way OP let this be a lesson to you. sounds like you haven't been playing dust for very long. CCP ******* NERFS EVERYTHING. GET USED TO IT. Do you realize how many of us spent MORE than you did on your Cal Scout just on Assault Rifles before they were nerfed? again...weapon and stat nerfs, not a problem... changing class roles, is a problem gun toting one track minded casual ignoramus..i forgive you. and i havent learned anything...why even be so complacent with bad changes in a game anyways?

Glitch116 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 140	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:34:00 - [41] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Glitch116 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Glitch116 wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I main cal scouts too dude..and i personally notice the lack of precision unless im proto with 3 complex pre-enhancers...I dunno how you play them, though. my work horse fits at advanced is 1 complex extender 2 complex percision 1 complex kincat 1 complex damp cloak smg for rifles i go to 2 extenders 1 persicion 1 damp 1 range cloak compact Scp works great you just got to learn to spot cloakys with your eyes i dont have problems fighting people getting under my scans Cloaky's are never a problem, i mean gallente used to be but since they're been somewhat nerfed in the hiding aspect, easy to spot them all, but even with both your fit, which are similar to mine, a few of my contacts do not show up on the radar like they used too, like i said only equivalent is when i go proto with 3 complex, precisions, and im a person that likes to set up R.E traps while it is true that you dont pick things up like before being able to pick up almost every fit was too much the reason the cal lost its percision was because of its highslot lay out to stack percision on top of the bonus my shotty fit up there could see every single minie, amarr, cal, and low end gal scouts and that is at advanced with only 2 mods it was to much for one suit to be able to shut down some many people we have to accept that you cant see everything with passives alone I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:43:00 - [42] - Quote while it is true that you dont pick things up like before being able to pick up almost every fit was too much the reason the cal lost its percision was because of its highslot lay out to stack percision on top of the bonus my shotty fit up there could see every single minie, amarr, cal, and low end gal scouts and that is at advanced with only 2 mods it was to much for one suit to be able to shut down some many people we have to accept that you cant see everything with passives alone [/quote] I mean i'm not gonna lie, am a bit mad at losing all that sight, and yeah i felt a little OP though I didnt pick the cal for being op, i was just allured by being able to see, and i never felt totally OP, cus there were heavies, gallente, and all around really good players that would stomp me sometimes, but that wasnt my main issue. I would not be complaining if they had just nerfed the precision, that's fine, I understand that was a balancing thing. what grinds my gears is the role switching, it's not like the precision was taken away, it was given inexplicably to other classes that didnt ask for it and it's not what they spec'd into, and they took away what i spec'd into, and other than the devs just being uncertain hacks, I don't know why they completely removed the sight and gave it to two other scout classes
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3224	Posted - 2014.08.30 20:44:00 - [43] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. sympathy level: Zero. While I share your opinion, I must admit that he is right. Some suits have changed enough to require a respec. Kind of like when the logistics players gained a bonus for their racial equipment, but lost their passive repair (don't remember if they got a refund or not).
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3245	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:10:00 - [44] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: ooohh...so bold all of a sudden and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet? So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout? B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:20:00 - [45] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: ooohh...so bold all of a sudden and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet? So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout? Either the Gal or Amarr scout cus that's where my precision went...probably Gal cus they have a nice amount of precision and dampening. Then again I would just, expect the dissapoint again and just not ** with being tactical ...might consider going minja like i used to be,...but im sorta expecting a nova knife or hacking role re-purposing ...ugh...i sometimes just don't wanna bother and wait on another game that wont ** on my choices.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3245	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:46:00 - [46] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: ooohh...so bold all of a sudden and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet? So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout? Either the Gal or Amarr scout cus that's where my precision went...probably Gal cus they have a nice amount of precision and dampening. Then again I would just, expect the dissapoint again and just not ** with being tactical ...might consider going minja like i used to be,...but im sorta expecting a nova knife or hacking role re-purposing ...ugh...i sometimes just don't wanna bother and wait on another game that wont on my choices. So.. you sound a bit like you just want to try something new... this is what gets you crucified on the forums... even though dropsuits in this game are just a horrible design conceptually imo (2.5 months to unlock the first usable suit, and you have to go through 4 garbage suits first). I wish they would just tiercide dropsuits once and for all, or normalize the slot layouts so people actually had some ***** options in dropsuit selection. Any suit before proto is complete and utter garbage and it sucks it was designed that way. I think you'll see a respec drop at some point though... god they've gone through a complete pass on just about everything since 1.8 after Delta finishes and sidearms and logis are looked at. B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 597	Posted - 2014.08.30 21:48:00 - [47] - Quote Quote: I dont like developers doing what the playerbase wants them to do in the hotfixes lol Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2433	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:17:00 - [48] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Yeah it got through a while ago. I just find this logic loop amusing. your ignorance is amusing...now leave Sorry pubbie. I don't take orders from you. Ever.
Boot Booter Pure Evil. 879	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:22:00 - [49] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Boot Booter wrote: These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO. Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. Like i keep saying, the balancige good..but i don't see the reason for changing the scout specialties. and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..gah...even if i got the hot fixed version of the free precision, its what i chose to frackin spec into, im sorry if im a criminal for wanting to play Dust for what Dust excels in...but hay..YES im butthurt cus of the changes. It was OP you herb. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 334	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:26:00 - [50] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than " you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell! well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet You mean you want to go for the pvp? I almost threw up plauing that ** pvp it reminded me pf cod and i wanted to kill whomever made cod pvp so ****. Why?

Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:34:00 - [51] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: ooohh...so bold all of a sudden and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet? So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout? Either the Gal or Amarr scout cus that's where my precision went...probably Gal cus they have a nice amount of precision and dampening. Then again I would just, expect the dissapoint again and just not ** with being tactical ...might consider going minja like i used to be,...but im sorta expecting a nova knife or hacking role re-purposing ...ugh...i sometimes just don't wanna bother and wait on another game that wont on my choices. So.. you sound a bit like you just want to try something new... this is what gets you crucified on the forums... even though dropsuits in this game are just a horrible design conceptually imo (2.5 months to unlock the first usable suit, and you have to go through 4 garbage suits first). I wish they would just tiercide dropsuits once and for all, or normalize the slot layouts so people actually had some ***** options in dropsuit selection. Any suit before proto is complete and utter garbage and it sucks it was designed that way. I think you'll see a respec drop at some point though... god they've gone through a complete pass on just about everything since 1.8 after Delta finishes and sidearms and logis are looked at. Not being crucified so much as forums tend to be full of nimrods that are happy with any game that has a shooty thing and a K/D ratio, but i digress, and no i dont want anything different, i want consistency in this game and dont wanna feel like im working too obsesively at playing a constantly changing game. but all the other things you said are about right. and i hope you're right about the respec
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:35:00 - [52] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than " you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell! well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet You mean you want to go for the pvp? I almost threw up plauing that ** pvp it reminded me pf cod and i wanted to kill whomever made cod pvp so ****. And you're fine with bullet lag and game bugs? good for you...masocism is a thing
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:36:00 - [53] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Boot Booter wrote: These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO. Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. Like i keep saying, the balancige good..but i don't see the reason for changing the scout specialties. and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..gah...even if i got the hot fixed version of the free precision, its what i chose to frackin spec into, im sorry if im a criminal for wanting to play Dust for what Dust excels in...but hay..YES im butthurt cus of the changes. It was OP you herb. No you just sucked at killing caldaris...
Rush Inamras Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:38:00 - [54] - Quote bamboo x wrote: OP thinks complex precision is useless on the scout with the best range Thinks OP is a n00b scout ur mums a noob
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 177	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:43:00 - [55] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "** you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. LOL The Blazing Intellect Machine
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1943	Posted - 2014.08.30 22:48:00 - [56] - Quote To everyone saying use precision enhancers, You're idiots. Even with 4 complex enhancers you're not anywhere near even the Amarr scout, which every scout can still get under. The problem is the stacking penalty, at the third you're at ~50% effectiveness. The forth is almost useless since it's such a small bonus to small numbers and it's rounded up.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 3201	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:36:00 - [57] - Quote OP what if you told you the current concept of how E-War works is fundamentally game breaking. Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun... Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2697	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:40:00 - [58] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: OP what if I told you the current concept of how E-War works is fundamentally game breaking. What if I told you Dampeners were amarrian gifts the gallente inherited Also matrix ftw Roles mastered- HAV/ADS/LDS/Forum Lord/Working on Assault Pinned down? Let my tank scatter enemies for you v(^_^)v
Michael Arck 5319	Posted - 2014.08.30 23:57:00 - [59] - Quote Stopped reading at "with no SP refunds". How about instead of just spending every SP, you save some for those rainy days or the light bulb that will come on later. Also, while CCP has not given out respecs in quite some time and plan not to, they have been providing SP events so that you can still gain enough SP, along with your bonus login, to compensate for not giving out refunds. So I guess when you went "waaaaaaah", somebody was always there to give you wanted without you learning a thing about preventing the waaaaah. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 797	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:10:00 - [60] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: To everyone saying use precision enhancers, You're idiots. Even with 4 complex enhancers you're not anywhere near even the Amarr scout, which every scout can still get under. The problem is the stacking penalty, at the third you're at ~50% effectiveness. The forth is almost useless since it's such a small bonus to small numbers and it's rounded up. You talk as if everyone in the average game uses profile dampeners. The vast majority of people don't even bother with dampeners, even the scouts who are built for dampening rarely run those things. A pair of precision enhancers will pick up the majority of players, with maybe one in ten scouts actually using enough dampeners to avoid those scans. Keep in mind this game doesn't consist of scouts alone. There are plenty of other suits on the field, and a single precision enhancer will pick most of them up. Nova Knives are best sidearm.

MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1178	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:17:00 - [61] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than " you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. Clearly you shouldn't have skilled into those things then, as you obviously didn't really want them. These hotfixes aren't 'breaking the game' or 'ruining everything', they are shoring up imbalances where they exist. Even I will agree to not liking some of the changes (no splash on forges, increased AV lethality) but it doesn't mean they're appropriate. You went for the caldari scout because it was the most overpowered and provided a constant 75m wallhack while remaining invisible to most people. You weren't in it because you wanted the suit, you were in it because you wanted to be top dog and you should have seen the inevitable nerf coming. CCP is not obligated to give you a 'refund' as they make a disclaimer in the EULA that 'we can and will change the properties of this game whenever we feel like it, with or without prior notice', they don't make these changes for no reason however. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Cogadh Draco WarRavens 82	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:36:00 - [62] - Quote Hmm, DUST really is just an experiment, why expect a full(or even half) proof game? Things like this happen, you either go with the flow or not at all. Or in odd cases a mix of both... Anywho, this is really just to check up on imbalances and attempt balances. If CCP allowed us to respec every time the scales tipped, there wouldn't be any chance of diversity in the game. Now allowing respecs when new racial gear comes out is fine, but not every time things get patched...
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2572	Posted - 2014.08.31 00:36:00 - [63] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than " you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. Clearly you shouldn't have skilled into those things then, as you obviously didn't really want them. These hotfixes aren't 'breaking the game' or 'ruining everything', they are shoring up imbalances where they exist. Even I will agree to not liking some of the changes (no splash on forges, increased AV lethality) but it doesn't mean they're appropriate. You went for the caldari scout because it was the most overpowered and provided a constant 75m wallhack while remaining invisible to most people. You weren't in it because you wanted the suit, you were in it because you wanted to be top dog and you should have seen the inevitable nerf coming. CCP is not obligated to give you a 'refund' as they make a disclaimer in the EULA that 'we can and will change the properties of this game whenever we feel like it, with or without prior notice', they don't make these changes for no reason however. But if they wanted to, they could. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole** game. That's a promise.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 1178	Posted - 2014.08.31 01:05:00 - [64] - Quote ^balance changes aren't worthy of refunds. Complete tree redesigns sure, but balance changes? really? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3039	Posted - 2014.08.31 01:05:00 - [65] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Only when it affects you right. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Riruodo Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 60	Posted - 2014.08.31 01:13:00 - [66] - Quote It does make me a little nervous. I only have so much sp, and I'm scared to skill into any weapons or suits because I don't want them to get nerfed next update. But at the same time, I like how every update changes the meta of the game. it's like a new game every time!!! Which, really, when you realize that we'll never get new weapons, suits or vehicles, a hot fix is desperately needed every other month or so. btw, I want a "hot fix" soooo hot, it fixes everything. My other car is Utena
iliel 0uter.Heaven 146	Posted - 2014.08.31 02:18:00 - [67] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO. Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. I agree. Gal scouts shouldn't get free dampening - - I mean, they already have 4 lows. Give them something else for their highs (just like Cal Scouts), like buff to sidearm damage mods. Now that's balanced everyone.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2572	Posted - 2014.08.31 02:19:00 - [68] - Quote Riruodo wrote: It does make me a little nervous. I only have so much sp, and I'm scared to skill into any weapons or suits because I don't want them to get nerfed next update. But at the same time, I like how every update changes the meta of the game. it's like a new game every time!!! Which, really, when you realize that we'll never get new weapons, suits or vehicles, a hot fix is desperately needed every other month or so. btw, I want a "hot fix" soooo hot, it fixes everything. I have a fix that hot. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. That's a promise.
Glitch116 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 140	Posted - 2014.08.31 06:37:00 - [69] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: while it is true that you dont pick things up like before being able to pick up almost every fit was too much the reason the cal lost its percision was because of its highslot lay out to stack percision on top of the bonus my shotty fit up there could see every single minie, amarr, cal, and low end gal scouts and that is at advanced with only 2 mods it was to much for one suit to be able to shut down some many people we have to accept that you cant see everything with passives alone I mean i'm not gonna lie, am a bit mad at losing all that sight, and yeah i felt a little OP though I didnt pick the cal for being op, i was just allured by being able to see, and i never felt totally OP, cus there were heavies, gallente, and all around really good players that would stomp me sometimes, but that wasnt my main issue. I would not be complaining if they had just nerfed the precision, that's fine, I understand that was a balancing thing. what grinds my gears is the role switching, it's not like the precision was taken away, it was given inexplicably to other classes that didnt ask for it and it's not what they spec'd into, and they took away what i spec'd into, and other than the devs just being uncertain hacks, I don't know why they completely removed the sight and gave it to two other scout classes[/quote] the reason the gal and amarr got the persicion bouns is because they have only 2 high slots to make do with this prevents them from getting the super low scan the cal could the cal scout still has the highest number of high slot to use for persicion mods it can still work and perform the same role THE ROLE OF THE CAL SCOUT NEVER CHANGED the amarr scout needed a role so it got some help in the regards but the cal scout is still a percsion large area scan platform that it has always been CCP didnt switch roles they just rebalanced things so that the other suits could get a niche as well I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 680	Posted - 2014.08.31 06:44:00 - [70] - Quote I'd like a respec across the board just as much as the next person, but after having been with the AR and Caldari logi way back, I learned quick. I put SP across all classes of suits and so many types of weapons that I have basically become nerf proof. Now when they take something down to the ground, I can just swap it out for something else. That being said, I actually like the current Cal Scout bonus better than the old one of precision. Sure precision was helpful, but the new one suits my overall style much better, although I am not too pleased about the upcoming CR demolishing for percentages. Why am I still here yet?

Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1169	Posted - 2014.08.31 13:01:00 - [71] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Nah brah. I still wreck everyone with my Cal Scout, I'm glad that CCP didn't force me to go Amarr Scout or some BS. The Cal Scout, in my experience, is either a CQC Master or a Long Range Pro, you should never be fighting at 20-50 meters in a Cal Scout.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 87	Posted - 2014.08.31 13:56:00 - [72] - Quote I started playing Dust514 in December 2012 and in all this time never wanted a respec. I feel sorry for the OP, not because he got a mild nerf but because he's a whiny tryhard. The constant chase of the win button makes me nauseous
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 457	Posted - 2014.08.31 19:29:00 - [73] - Quote Rush Inamras wrote: Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, ** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "** you, it's our free game" Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing. Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait for Destiny so I can have your stuff. But seriously I'd be pissed too and I hope they do give us a respec, but hopefully they'll iterate on logis and commandos first! Hotfix Echo I guess....... And by the way as Caldari Scout you still have the range, so add 2 complex precision enhancers (makes room for kincat) and you're looking at this: Scan Profile 26.78 dB (don't knock it!) Scan Precision 23.79 dB Scan Radius 45m Here's the protofit: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/740/7334 Still have to be an Amarr scout if you want to see dampened Caldari or Gallente scouts, but otherwise you can see everything within 45m and get to it quick.
Gemini Cuspid 127	Posted - 2014.08.31 23:23:00 - [74] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: I started playing Dust514 in December 2012 and in all this time never wanted a respec. I feel sorry for the OP, not because he got a mild nerf but because he's a whiny tryhard. The constant chase of the win button makes me nauseous Wanting a respec doesn't actually involve that for some. It's like playing a game based off Animal Farm: yesterday it was cloak and scout that was good, today its heavy with HMG. yesterday it was a maddy, today it isn't Players invest in what they are seeing in the current and not how the developers will change the game. While I can don't care about changes and except them, everything in the game has been touched, modified, hotfixed, updated and so on. Changes to grenades affected how we have more options to deal with vehicles. Additions to the game with the CR & RR made the AR stil la relatively obsolete weapon. I still don't have an idea what the goal/function a logi can play and support roles in this game are diminished by the fact that scouts and heavies are the dominant class. It's one thing to say you want a respec to invest all of your points into a "winning combo" and it's another to say most of the areas you've invested in have been changed and are not obsolete. I would like to have my 3 grenades back ty. And yes I would like to have improvements to logi as a while made too. While we're there, why do AR's so underperform versus it's "counter~parts"? Players like myself don't mind kicking back and enjoying the game but it becomes annoying when multiple areas of the game have been modified since beta that make skill investment in it obsolete.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 385	Posted - 2014.09.01 00:28:00 - [75] - Quote All this circle jerking... I picked the calscout suit because it looks sexy sexy as hell at prototype level vOv. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 791	Posted - 2014.09.01 00:58:00 - [76] - Quote I currently have 3 rifles at prof 5 - 2 have been nerfed so far the 3rd due for a nerf in delta...
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1443	Posted - 2014.09.01 01:03:00 - [77] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Man every role I have speced into since beta has changed. I dont like it, sometimes its been for the good, other times they have outright killed my playstyle. Lets see, Marauder tanks,then the old Laser rifle then the Tac Ar, then Caldari suits (specifically the assault n logi) then the Gallente Scout suit and its long range passives I speced into.... so yea its always changing. I don't mind change when it is reasonable and documented but sometimes it has seemed very much like knee jerk reactions :( I will admit that after the LR nerf (i think it was around that time) I DID switch to the Tac AR as part of the meta (I mean it was an awesome long range rifle) all of the rest of the stuff I was in way ahead of the times. So no I am not a jump on the bandwagon kind of guy. Unless of course being inspired by CalamityJane and others back in beta to spec into the Gallente suit all the way back then is considered meta whoring too? -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!


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