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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:17:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, **** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ****** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "**** you, it's our free game"
Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing.
Cannot wait till Destiny comes out.
Clearly you shouldn't have skilled into those things then, as you obviously didn't really want them. These hotfixes aren't 'breaking the game' or 'ruining everything', they are shoring up imbalances where they exist. Even I will agree to not liking some of the changes (no splash on forges, increased AV lethality) but it doesn't mean they're appropriate.
You went for the caldari scout because it was the most overpowered and provided a constant 75m wallhack while remaining invisible to most people. You weren't in it because you wanted the suit, you were in it because you wanted to be top dog and you should have seen the inevitable nerf coming.
CCP is not obligated to give you a 'refund' as they make a disclaimer in the EULA that 'we can and will change the properties of this game whenever we feel like it, with or without prior notice', they don't make these changes for no reason however.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Cogadh Draco
WarRavens
82
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:36:00 -
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Hmm, DUST really is just an experiment, why expect a full(or even half) proof game? Things like this happen, you either go with the flow or not at all. Or in odd cases a mix of both... Anywho, this is really just to check up on imbalances and attempt balances. If CCP allowed us to respec every time the scales tipped, there wouldn't be any chance of diversity in the game.
Now allowing respecs when new racial gear comes out is fine, but not every time things get patched... |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2572
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:36:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, **** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ****** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "**** you, it's our free game"
Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing.
Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. Clearly you shouldn't have skilled into those things then, as you obviously didn't really want them. These hotfixes aren't 'breaking the game' or 'ruining everything', they are shoring up imbalances where they exist. Even I will agree to not liking some of the changes (no splash on forges, increased AV lethality) but it doesn't mean they're appropriate. You went for the caldari scout because it was the most overpowered and provided a constant 75m wallhack while remaining invisible to most people. You weren't in it because you wanted the suit, you were in it because you wanted to be top dog and you should have seen the inevitable nerf coming. CCP is not obligated to give you a 'refund' as they make a disclaimer in the EULA that 'we can and will change the properties of this game whenever we feel like it, with or without prior notice', they don't make these changes for no reason however. But if they wanted to, they could.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. That's a promise.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1178
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:05:00 -
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^balance changes aren't worthy of refunds. Complete tree redesigns sure, but balance changes? really?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
3039
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:05:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Only when it affects you right.
Tanker/Logi/Assault
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:13:00 -
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It does make me a little nervous. I only have so much sp, and I'm scared to skill into any weapons or suits because I don't want them to get nerfed next update.
But at the same time, I like how every update changes the meta of the game. it's like a new game every time!!! Which, really, when you realize that we'll never get new weapons, suits or vehicles, a hot fix is desperately needed every other month or so.
btw, I want a "hot fix" soooo hot, it fixes everything.
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
146
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Posted - 2014.08.31 02:18:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO.
Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot.
I agree. Gal scouts shouldn't get free dampening - - I mean, they already have 4 lows. Give them something else for their highs (just like Cal Scouts), like buff to sidearm damage mods. Now that's balanced everyone. |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2572
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Posted - 2014.08.31 02:19:00 -
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Riruodo wrote:It does make me a little nervous. I only have so much sp, and I'm scared to skill into any weapons or suits because I don't want them to get nerfed next update.
But at the same time, I like how every update changes the meta of the game. it's like a new game every time!!! Which, really, when you realize that we'll never get new weapons, suits or vehicles, a hot fix is desperately needed every other month or so.
btw, I want a "hot fix" soooo hot, it fixes everything. I have a fix that hot.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. That's a promise.
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Glitch116
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
140
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:37:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:while it is true that you dont pick things up like before being able to pick up almost every fit was too much the reason the cal lost its percision was because of its highslot lay out to stack percision on top of the bonus my shotty fit up there could see every single minie, amarr, cal, and low end gal scouts and that is at advanced with only 2 mods it was to much for one suit to be able to shut down some many people we have to accept that you cant see everything with passives alone
I mean i'm not gonna lie, am a bit mad at losing all that sight, and yeah i felt a little OP though I didnt pick the cal for being op, i was just allured by being able to see, and i never felt totally OP, cus there were heavies, gallente, and all around really good players that would stomp me sometimes, but that wasnt my main issue. I would not be complaining if they had just nerfed the precision, that's fine, I understand that was a balancing thing. what grinds my gears is the role switching, it's not like the precision was taken away, it was given inexplicably to other classes that didnt ask for it and it's not what they spec'd into, and they took away what i spec'd into, and other than the devs just being uncertain hacks, I don't know why they completely removed the sight and gave it to two other scout classes[/quote]
the reason the gal and amarr got the persicion bouns is because they have only 2 high slots to make do with this prevents them from getting the super low scan the cal could the cal scout still has the highest number of high slot to use for persicion mods it can still work and perform the same role THE ROLE OF THE CAL SCOUT NEVER CHANGED the amarr scout needed a role so it got some help in the regards but the cal scout is still a percsion large area scan platform that it has always been CCP didnt switch roles they just rebalanced things so that the other suits could get a niche as well
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
680
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:44:00 -
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I'd like a respec across the board just as much as the next person, but after having been with the AR and Caldari logi way back, I learned quick. I put SP across all classes of suits and so many types of weapons that I have basically become nerf proof. Now when they take something down to the ground, I can just swap it out for something else.
That being said, I actually like the current Cal Scout bonus better than the old one of precision. Sure precision was helpful, but the new one suits my overall style much better, although I am not too pleased about the upcoming CR demolishing for percentages.
Why am I still here yet?
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1169
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:01:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Nah brah. I still wreck everyone with my Cal Scout, I'm glad that CCP didn't force me to go Amarr Scout or some BS. The Cal Scout, in my experience, is either a CQC Master or a Long Range Pro, you should never be fighting at 20-50 meters in a Cal Scout. |
JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
87
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Posted - 2014.08.31 13:56:00 -
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I started playing Dust514 in December 2012 and in all this time never wanted a respec. I feel sorry for the OP, not because he got a mild nerf but because he's a whiny tryhard. The constant chase of the win button makes me nauseous |
zzZaXxx
D3ATH CARD
457
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Posted - 2014.08.31 19:29:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, **** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ****** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "**** you, it's our free game"
Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing.
Cannot wait till Destiny comes out.
I cannot wait for Destiny so I can have your stuff. But seriously I'd be pissed too and I hope they do give us a respec, but hopefully they'll iterate on logis and commandos first! Hotfix Echo I guess.......
And by the way as Caldari Scout you still have the range, so add 2 complex precision enhancers (makes room for kincat) and you're looking at this:
Scan Profile 26.78 dB (don't knock it!) Scan Precision 23.79 dB Scan Radius 45m
Here's the protofit:
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/740/7334
Still have to be an Amarr scout if you want to see dampened Caldari or Gallente scouts, but otherwise you can see everything within 45m and get to it quick. |
Gemini Cuspid
127
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Posted - 2014.08.31 23:23:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:I started playing Dust514 in December 2012 and in all this time never wanted a respec. I feel sorry for the OP, not because he got a mild nerf but because he's a whiny tryhard. The constant chase of the win button makes me nauseous Wanting a respec doesn't actually involve that for some. It's like playing a game based off Animal Farm:
yesterday it was cloak and scout that was good, today its heavy with HMG. yesterday it was a maddy, today it isn't
Players invest in what they are seeing in the current and not how the developers will change the game. While I can don't care about changes and except them, everything in the game has been touched, modified, hotfixed, updated and so on. Changes to grenades affected how we have more options to deal with vehicles. Additions to the game with the CR & RR made the AR stil la relatively obsolete weapon.
I still don't have an idea what the goal/function a logi can play and support roles in this game are diminished by the fact that scouts and heavies are the dominant class.
It's one thing to say you want a respec to invest all of your points into a "winning combo" and it's another to say most of the areas you've invested in have been changed and are not obsolete. I would like to have my 3 grenades back ty. And yes I would like to have improvements to logi as a while made too. While we're there, why do AR's so underperform versus it's "counter~parts"?
Players like myself don't mind kicking back and enjoying the game but it becomes annoying when multiple areas of the game have been modified since beta that make skill investment in it obsolete. |
Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
385
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:28:00 -
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All this circle jerking... I picked the calscout suit because it looks sexy sexy as hell at prototype level vOv.
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
791
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Posted - 2014.09.01 00:58:00 -
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I currently have 3 rifles at prof 5 - 2 have been nerfed so far the 3rd due for a nerf in delta... |
CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1443
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Posted - 2014.09.01 01:03:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely.
Man every role I have speced into since beta has changed. I dont like it, sometimes its been for the good, other times they have outright killed my playstyle.
Lets see, Marauder tanks,then the old Laser rifle then the Tac Ar, then Caldari suits (specifically the assault n logi) then the Gallente Scout suit and its long range passives I speced into....
so yea its always changing. I don't mind change when it is reasonable and documented but sometimes it has seemed very much like knee jerk reactions :(
I will admit that after the LR nerf (i think it was around that time) I DID switch to the Tac AR as part of the meta (I mean it was an awesome long range rifle) all of the rest of the stuff I was in way ahead of the times. So no I am not a jump on the bandwagon kind of guy. Unless of course being inspired by CalamityJane and others back in beta to spec into the Gallente suit all the way back then is considered meta whoring too?
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