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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:00:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great. Well yeah they're still good, i do good with it, i could have been good with any scout class. my point IIIISSS that I spec'd into them for their PRECISION. perhaps you're more lacadaisacle about it, but it was the only reason i spent a mil+ isk on precision So fit the precision enhancers. It's what they're there for.
it's not the same, imagine playing final fantasy 10 another game thats all about customization with an extensive skill tree...and the game keeps ******* with those stats you made? you guys might be happy that you can just shoot things in an average fps...but i got into the game for the nice stats trees, but eh...
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:02:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Cal Scout is fine. I love it. I spent all the same SP, and it still works great. Well yeah they're still good, i do good with it, i could have been good with any scout class. my point IIIISSS that I spec'd into them for their PRECISION. perhaps you're more lacadaisacle about it, but it was the only reason i spent a mil+ isk on precision So fit the precision enhancers. It's what they're there for. it's not the same, imagine playing final fantasy 10 another game thats all about customization with an extensive skill tree...and the game keeps ******* with those stats you made? you guys might be happy that you can just shoot things in an average fps...but i got into the game for the nice stats trees, but eh...
Also another flaw about this, now that caldari main in range, it sucks even more, cus cal scouts only have 2 lows, which means not only do i have to use prec-modules that take up more space, they can barely utilize their new specialty effectively
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:03:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Yeah it got through a while ago. I just find this logic loop amusing.
your ignorance is amusing...now leave |
Boot Booter
Pure Evil.
879
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:09:00 -
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These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO.
Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:09:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Glitch116 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I main cal scouts too dude..and i personally notice the lack of precision unless im proto with 3 complex pre-enhancers...I dunno how you play them, though. my work horse fits at advanced is 1 complex extender 2 complex percision 1 complex kincat 1 complex damp cloak smg for rifles i go to 2 extenders 1 persicion 1 damp 1 range cloak compact Scp works great you just got to learn to spot cloakys with your eyes i dont have problems fighting people getting under my scans
Cloaky's are never a problem, i mean gallente used to be but since they're been somewhat nerfed in the hiding aspect, easy to spot them all, but even with both your fit, which are similar to mine, a few of my contacts do not show up on the radar like they used too, like i said only equivalent is when i go proto with 3 complex, precisions, and im a person that likes to set up R.E traps
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:14:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO.
Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot.
Like i keep saying, the balancige good..but i don't see the reason for changing the scout specialties.
and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..gah...even if i got the hot fixed version of the free precision, its what i chose to frackin spec into, im sorry if im a criminal for wanting to play Dust for what Dust excels in...but hay..YES im butthurt cus of the changes. |
Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:18:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. Yeah and there's where my problem is, I mained caldari it wasnt flavor of the month and i never felt op in the suit, I picked it for the disticnt want for precision. now it's been completely removed and given to the amarr and gallente classes. and I didnt so much mind the tweaks, what pissed me off was where the tweaks were sent. Like what was really the point of robbing the caldari scout completely of it's sight? dude i mean really? robbing the caldari suit of its sight? unless you have not figured it out there is precision enhancers.
anyone can equip precision enhancers..i chose cal cus it was inherent, now what?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3015
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:19:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:
and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..
That's your personal opinion, others would disagree.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1081
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:19:00 -
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by the way OP
let this be a lesson to you. sounds like you haven't been playing dust for very long.
CCP ******* NERFS EVERYTHING. GET USED TO IT.
Do you realize how many of us spent MORE than you did on your Cal Scout just on Assault Rifles before they were nerfed?
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:27:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:by the way OP
let this be a lesson to you. sounds like you haven't been playing dust for very long.
CCP ******* NERFS EVERYTHING. GET USED TO IT.
Do you realize how many of us spent MORE than you did on your Cal Scout just on Assault Rifles before they were nerfed?
again...weapon and stat nerfs, not a problem...
changing class roles, is a problem
gun toting one track minded casual ignoramus..i forgive you. and i havent learned anything...why even be so complacent with bad changes in a game anyways?
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Glitch116
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
140
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:34:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Glitch116 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Glitch116 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. as a cal scout my fits and roles never changed nothing changed about how you play the cal scout it just got rebalanced to fit with the rest of the suits the only time i could ok a respec is when basic content is add (as in racial vehicles) or if a suits role is completely changed and since the cal scout didnt change no to respec mate learn to use the cal scout I main cal scouts too dude..and i personally notice the lack of precision unless im proto with 3 complex pre-enhancers...I dunno how you play them, though. my work horse fits at advanced is 1 complex extender 2 complex percision 1 complex kincat 1 complex damp cloak smg for rifles i go to 2 extenders 1 persicion 1 damp 1 range cloak compact Scp works great you just got to learn to spot cloakys with your eyes i dont have problems fighting people getting under my scans Cloaky's are never a problem, i mean gallente used to be but since they're been somewhat nerfed in the hiding aspect, easy to spot them all, but even with both your fit, which are similar to mine, a few of my contacts do not show up on the radar like they used too, like i said only equivalent is when i go proto with 3 complex, precisions, and im a person that likes to set up R.E traps
while it is true that you dont pick things up like before being able to pick up almost every fit was too much the reason the cal lost its percision was because of its highslot lay out to stack percision on top of the bonus
my shotty fit up there could see every single minie, amarr, cal, and low end gal scouts and that is at advanced with only 2 mods it was to much for one suit to be able to shut down some many people
we have to accept that you cant see everything with passives alone
I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!!
deal with it
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:43:00 -
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while it is true that you dont pick things up like before being able to pick up almost every fit was too much the reason the cal lost its percision was because of its highslot lay out to stack percision on top of the bonus
my shotty fit up there could see every single minie, amarr, cal, and low end gal scouts and that is at advanced with only 2 mods it was to much for one suit to be able to shut down some many people
we have to accept that you cant see everything with passives alone [/quote]
I mean i'm not gonna lie, am a bit mad at losing all that sight, and yeah i felt a little OP though I didnt pick the cal for being op, i was just allured by being able to see, and i never felt totally OP, cus there were heavies, gallente, and all around really good players that would stomp me sometimes, but that wasnt my main issue. I would not be complaining if they had just nerfed the precision, that's fine, I understand that was a balancing thing. what grinds my gears is the role switching, it's not like the precision was taken away, it was given inexplicably to other classes that didnt ask for it and it's not what they spec'd into, and they took away what i spec'd into, and other than the devs just being uncertain hacks, I don't know why they completely removed the sight and gave it to two other scout classes |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3224
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Posted - 2014.08.30 20:44:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:While I don't agree with refunding SP for things like rebalancing weapons, I agree that there should have been a refund for Cal scouts after their change. They completely respeciallized the scout, changing its role completely. sympathy level: Zero.
While I share your opinion, I must admit that he is right.
Some suits have changed enough to require a respec. Kind of like when the logistics players gained a bonus for their racial equipment, but lost their passive repair (don't remember if they got a refund or not). |
ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
3245
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:10:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:
ooohh...so bold all of a sudden
and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet?
So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout?
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:20:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:
ooohh...so bold all of a sudden
and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet?
So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout?
Either the Gal or Amarr scout cus that's where my precision went...probably Gal cus they have a nice amount of precision and dampening.
Then again I would just, expect the dissapoint again and just not **** with being tactical ...might consider going minja like i used to be,...but im sorta expecting a nova knife or hacking role re-purposing ...ugh...i sometimes just don't wanna bother and wait on another game that wont **** on my choices.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
3245
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:46:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:
ooohh...so bold all of a sudden
and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet?
So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout? Either the Gal or Amarr scout cus that's where my precision went...probably Gal cus they have a nice amount of precision and dampening. Then again I would just, expect the dissapoint again and just not **** with being tactical ...might consider going minja like i used to be,...but im sorta expecting a nova knife or hacking role re-purposing ...ugh...i sometimes just don't wanna bother and wait on another game that wont **** on my choices.
So.. you sound a bit like you just want to try something new... this is what gets you crucified on the forums... even though dropsuits in this game are just a horrible design conceptually imo (2.5 months to unlock the first usable suit, and you have to go through 4 garbage suits first).
I wish they would just tiercide dropsuits once and for all, or normalize the slot layouts so people actually had some ******* options in dropsuit selection. Any suit before proto is complete and utter garbage and it sucks it was designed that way.
I think you'll see a respec drop at some point though... god they've gone through a complete pass on just about everything since 1.8 after Delta finishes and sidearms and logis are looked at.
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
597
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Posted - 2014.08.30 21:48:00 -
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Quote:I dont like developers doing what the playerbase wants them to do in the hotfixes
lol
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SGL Sidearm champion
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2433
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:17:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Yeah it got through a while ago. I just find this logic loop amusing. your ignorance is amusing...now leave
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Boot Booter
Pure Evil.
879
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:22:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Boot Booter wrote:These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO.
Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. Like i keep saying, the balancige good..but i don't see the reason for changing the scout specialties. and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..gah...even if i got the hot fixed version of the free precision, its what i chose to frackin spec into, im sorry if im a criminal for wanting to play Dust for what Dust excels in...but hay..YES im butthurt cus of the changes.
It was OP you herb.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
334
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:26:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, **** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ****** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "**** you, it's our free game"
Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing.
Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell!  well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet
You mean you want to go for the pvp? I almost threw up plauing that ****** pvp it reminded me pf cod and i wanted to kill whomever made cod pvp so ******.
Why?
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:34:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:
ooohh...so bold all of a sudden
and no...my point is still that i don't like the complete race class change, im still good as a scout, but i could be good with any scout, i choose cal for their specialty...is it getting through to you yet?
So... if you got this respec you want so bad. What would you have spec'd into instead of Cal Scout? Either the Gal or Amarr scout cus that's where my precision went...probably Gal cus they have a nice amount of precision and dampening. Then again I would just, expect the dissapoint again and just not **** with being tactical ...might consider going minja like i used to be,...but im sorta expecting a nova knife or hacking role re-purposing ...ugh...i sometimes just don't wanna bother and wait on another game that wont **** on my choices. So.. you sound a bit like you just want to try something new... this is what gets you crucified on the forums... even though dropsuits in this game are just a horrible design conceptually imo (2.5 months to unlock the first usable suit, and you have to go through 4 garbage suits first). I wish they would just tiercide dropsuits once and for all, or normalize the slot layouts so people actually had some ******* options in dropsuit selection. Any suit before proto is complete and utter garbage and it sucks it was designed that way. I think you'll see a respec drop at some point though... god they've gone through a complete pass on just about everything since 1.8 after Delta finishes and sidearms and logis are looked at.
Not being crucified so much as forums tend to be full of nimrods that are happy with any game that has a shooty thing and a K/D ratio, but i digress, and no i dont want anything different, i want consistency in this game and dont wanna feel like im working too obsesively at playing a constantly changing game. but all the other things you said are about right. and i hope you're right about the respec
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Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:35:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, **** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ****** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "**** you, it's our free game"
Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing.
Cannot wait till Destiny comes out. I cannot wait till Destiny comes out so we can wish you a fond farewell! well, GOOD ...stick with your ever changing upredictable game that cares less about your decisions...i'm going triple A halo >: D please bring the red carpet You mean you want to go for the pvp? I almost threw up plauing that ****** pvp it reminded me pf cod and i wanted to kill whomever made cod pvp so ******.
And you're fine with bullet lag and game bugs? good for you...masocism is a thing |
Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:36:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Boot Booter wrote:These hotfixes have probably been the single best thing ever to happen to this game. We actually have some semblance of balance now. Last major thing is sidearms and commandos IMO.
Plus don't you have a ton of high slots as a cal scout, Idk for putting precision enhancers on? Oh wait you wanted your free precision and 400 shield, sorry I forgot. Like i keep saying, the balancige good..but i don't see the reason for changing the scout specialties. and YES i wanted my free precision, it was the POINT of the SUIT..gah...even if i got the hot fixed version of the free precision, its what i chose to frackin spec into, im sorry if im a criminal for wanting to play Dust for what Dust excels in...but hay..YES im butthurt cus of the changes. It was OP you herb.
No you just sucked at killing caldaris... |
Rush Inamras
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:38:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:OP thinks complex precision is useless on the scout with the best range
Thinks OP is a n00b scout
ur mums a noob
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BlazeXYZ
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
177
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:43:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Am I the only one that's starting to get a little irritated by the constant hot "fixes" with no sp refunds? it's like, **** everything I had to grind for over months, screw carefully and strategically placing all that hard earned sp into what personally works for me. Trying to enjoy this game but ccp is making it a chore. I don't care if the game is free and feels like an experiment of their first foray into the fps genre, these are really ****** game design choices, folks have bought enough aur and put enough time into this game to deserve a bit better treatment than "**** you, it's our free game"
Though in the back of my head i feel like this is a balancing thing...but you do not totally change the properties of each race and not give a refund. I went caldari for the precision cus it's something I really wanted, even maxed out my precision enhancer modules...now it doesnt mean a damn thing.
Cannot wait till Destiny comes out.
LOL
The Blazing Intellect Machine
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1943
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:48:00 -
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To everyone saying use precision enhancers,
You're idiots.
Even with 4 complex enhancers you're not anywhere near even the Amarr scout, which every scout can still get under. The problem is the stacking penalty, at the third you're at ~50% effectiveness. The forth is almost useless since it's such a small bonus to small numbers and it's rounded up. |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
3201
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:36:00 -
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OP what if you told you the current concept of how E-War works is fundamentally game breaking.
Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun...
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2697
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:40:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:OP what if I told you the current concept of how E-War works is fundamentally game breaking.
What if I told you Dampeners were amarrian gifts the gallente inherited
Also matrix ftw
Roles mastered- HAV/ADS/LDS/Forum Lord/Working on Assault
Pinned down? Let my tank scatter enemies for you v(^_^)v
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:57:00 -
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Stopped reading at "with no SP refunds".
How about instead of just spending every SP, you save some for those rainy days or the light bulb that will come on later. Also, while CCP has not given out respecs in quite some time and plan not to, they have been providing SP events so that you can still gain enough SP, along with your bonus login, to compensate for not giving out refunds.
So I guess when you went "waaaaaaah", somebody was always there to give you wanted without you learning a thing about preventing the waaaaah.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
797
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:10:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:To everyone saying use precision enhancers,
You're idiots.
Even with 4 complex enhancers you're not anywhere near even the Amarr scout, which every scout can still get under. The problem is the stacking penalty, at the third you're at ~50% effectiveness. The forth is almost useless since it's such a small bonus to small numbers and it's rounded up.
You talk as if everyone in the average game uses profile dampeners. The vast majority of people don't even bother with dampeners, even the scouts who are built for dampening rarely run those things. A pair of precision enhancers will pick up the majority of players, with maybe one in ten scouts actually using enough dampeners to avoid those scans.
Keep in mind this game doesn't consist of scouts alone. There are plenty of other suits on the field, and a single precision enhancer will pick most of them up.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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