Edit: Oh, that -20% against armor everyone likes to point out as a weakness, is a joke. The ScR still does just as much damage after it's -20% as the RR does to armor with it's +10%.

so the best answer is to make it as useless as the standard sniper? That thing is a joke most assaults and all heavies just laugh and find cover for a second.... I really don't want its rate of fire nerfed. I want a program installed where if button presses of a single button exceed X it denies your controller from being used until you shut it off and restart the controller. It would stop turbo controllers from even being used. The turbo turds are the issue not the scrambler.

What exactly would that number be 8,9,10?
What about people who reach those manually?

This is exactly why it's needs a harsher ROF cap, because people can and will achieve these values, and absolutely obliterate.
It's that or nerf the damage.

You've obviously never used the ScR if you think that. RR is full auto and can out range the ScR AND doesnt have to worry about overheat. That -20 also kills any hope of a ranged engagement because it stacks with the range penalty so any attempt to engage past optimum is often met with only 20-40% of damage applied which is pathetic. Heavies are pretty much immune to the gun because not enough damage can be applied before the over heat triggers if you die to scramblers in a heavy your just plain bad.

Does this make you feel any better?

It's always been considered AWESOME, now people are starting to use it as all the old fotms have been nerfed...

So you're suggestion is to punish players who have skill and learned to master a gun. That's a great way to go about things. Sorry your to good so we have to destroy the thing you've spent months practising with.

This pretty much sums up my feelings of the forums unfortunately I find myself having to come here to have any sort of voice or meaningful opinion. But that's not why I'm here.

I'm here to ask you- no to beg you to actually think for yourselves and not to listen to the vocal fear mongering minority that is demanding this amazing rifle be cast down to the depth of implayability. This work of art has stood untouched for over 6 months since 1.8 and not once, not a single time has it ever been consider OP, for a long while it was considered the exact opposite and buffs were actual considered! This gun is arguably the most BALANCED gun in the game and the flak I will receive for saying just that will cement my opinion of the forum. The Amarr Assault has always had this bonus and again it was never complained about never once uttered as OP.

But for some unfathomable reason with the advent of hot-fix Charlie where not a single statistic on the Scrambler rifle has changed it has suddenly become more OP then any gun in the game. More OP the the Rail Rifle of Combat Rifle?!

I am telling you, as someone who's stuck with you since beta through thick and thin, if you destroy the viability of this weapon I will leave and never look back. Destiny is only weeks away it won't be hard. Tweak it if you have to, appease the minority with a tiny nerf to rate of fire OR dispersion. BUT please don't give in and ruin the one gun that has kept me playing since its release.

Well said... The funny thing is, people advocating these changes are the same people who screams "OP" every single update/Build... Finally after a long time i'm seeing so many different weapons on the kill feed... It's nice and it shows something... A close enough balance... All the Scrubs are just crying over the Weapon they haven't specced into...

What exactly would that number be 8,9,10?
What about people who reach those manually?

This is exactly why it's needs a harsher ROF cap, because people can and will achieve these values, and absolutely obliterate.
It's that or nerf the damage.

It's not that I think that, it's that I know that. Do the math and you'll see the the Adv ScR does around 1 point more damage to armor than the Adv RR and the proto ScR does around .5 more damage to armor than the proto RR. And if you're engaging any weapon within their optimum while they're outside of yours, well that's just idiotic. Like I said, any semi competent person that uses it properly will wreck anything that comes at them, even heavies.

This pretty much sums up my feelings of the forums unfortunately I find myself having to come here to have any sort of voice or meaningful opinion. But that's not why I'm here.

I'm here to ask you- no to beg you to actually think for yourselves and not to listen to the vocal fear mongering minority that is demanding this amazing rifle be cast down to the depth of implayability. This work of art has stood untouched for over 6 months since 1.8 and not once, not a single time has it ever been consider OP, for a long while it was considered the exact opposite and buffs were actual considered! This gun is arguably the most BALANCED gun in the game and the flak I will receive for saying just that will cement my opinion of the forum. The Amarr Assault has always had this bonus and again it was never complained about never once uttered as OP.

But for some unfathomable reason with the advent of hot-fix Charlie where not a single statistic on the Scrambler rifle has changed it has suddenly become more OP then any gun in the game. More OP the the Rail Rifle of Combat Rifle?!

I am telling you, as someone who's stuck with you since beta through thick and thin, if you destroy the viability of this weapon I will leave and never look back. Destiny is only weeks away it won't be hard. Tweak it if you have to, appease the minority with a tiny nerf to rate of fire OR dispersion. BUT please don't give in and ruin the one gun that has kept me playing since its release.

Again a rail rifle is full auto has better range and doesnt have to worry about overheat. It can easily just keep firing its entire mag without thought while the scrambler has to get in range and watch for overheat while tapping the trigger repeatedly. It takes skill and practice to do all thouse things simultaniously where as i can pick up a RR turn off my brain and go 30/4 without breaking a sweat.

The ScR fires faster than the RR does so it being full auto doesn't mean a thing. And while the RR doesn't have an overheat it does have a pretty mean kick which makes staying on target at long range slightly difficult unless they're standing still. The overheat on the ScR is only a problem in CQC and when you're outnumbered or facing a heavy (but that makes you an idiot).

Also, lol at it taking "skill"; the only thing that takes skill in this game is consistently hitting people at long range with the MD & PC.

The ScR fires faster than the RR does so it being full auto doesn't mean a thing. And while the RR doesn't have an overheat it does have a pretty mean kick which makes staying on target at long range slightly difficult unless they're standing still. The overheat on the ScR is only a problem in CQC and when you're outnumbered or facing a heavy (but that makes you an idiot).

Also, lol at it taking "skill"; the only thing that takes skill in this game is consistently hitting people at long range with the MD & PC.

why not just lower its ammo to 25 . hell charge shot does hell'va lot of damage .

You can only fire as fast as you pull the trigger and when doing that you're going to overheat because overheat is a major problem in every single engagement. If you want to avoid it you'll be firing SIGNIFICANTLY slower then a Rail Rifle. And dont even give me the bullshit about recoil because its so easy to control and if you can only hit stationary targets with it you really should be making comments about balance of weapons you haven't even used.

Not only that but your a hypocrite by saying that controlling the recoil takes skill which you then say nothing in the game beside MDs & PCs take.

So you're suggestion is to punish players who have skill and learned to master a gun. That's a great way to go about things. Sorry your to good so we have to destroy the thing you've spent months practising with.

Saying something is slightly difficult isn't the same as saying it takes skill and I didn't say you could only hit stationary targets with it. I'd also like to point out that in my first post I said that I went 22/0 on a vehicle alt with no infantry skills (the kind of character that dies as fast as you can blink) using the militia ScR. I'm not talking out my ass, I have experience with the weapon and am currently skilling into the amarr assault with the hope that I can properly abuse it before it's nerfed.

You're only going to overheat pulling the trigger as fast as you can before killing who you're shooting at if they're far away or a heavy; anything else will be dead shortly after you start firing.