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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:54:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:
@ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget.
124 Kills.
You'd think a "purely AV weapon" would be better at AV. No?
Swarm performance is abysmal, even when the very best of us give it our all.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:02:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:
@ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget.
124 Kills. You'd think a "purely AV weapon" would be better at AV. No? Swarm performance is abysmal, even when the very best of us give it our all.
Not when it fires and practically aims for you, no. Also the fact that it curves around buildings following our flight pattern almost perfectly, and that I have yet to see a swarm user who doesn't camp a single area hoping I'll go looking for him. I admit, I do.
But I think the matter here is that no matter what you or I say to convince each other of our arguments, we're not going to agree with each other. I think it's a fire and forget weapon that noob tube users want to spam like it's ham on Christmas (that was a terrible analogy), you... I'm not sure what you think, but it clearly doesn't fall in tandem with what I think.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:04:00 -
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I thoroughly enjoy seeing ADS pilots post as if surviving AV is difficult.
Getting a good laugh once in a while is very good for the mind, and soul.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2464
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:15:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I thoroughly enjoy seeing ADS pilots post as if surviving AV is difficult.
Getting a good laugh once in a while is very good for the mind, and soul.
Aren't you going to try to debunk why I think swarms are fine? You always seem to do that.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1010
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:23:00 -
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 yeah because it's a pain in the ass when a dropship survives 3 of my forge hits with barely any armor and on fire
you sure you want an Ishukone to 3-shot you, man?
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:29:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:
Swarm launchers
I fail to see why you guys want a buff, you already got the buff of minus extra swarms with comparable damage, the extra two missiles hurt you as you had to wait 1/3 longer to lock on to your target. And what did you sacrifice for it? I just did the math on a double damage modded Minmando pre-charlie, and post-charlie. I assumed that the stacking penalty is affected per tier, so 5% would be 4% pre-charlie. You lost 34 damage...
37HP*
Though it should be noted that nobody actually ran 2x Complex Damage Modifiers on the MinCom unless they had competent squad support, as you have no defensive capabilities whatsoever and are an EZ kill for anyone who shoots you in the back.
It's like putting 3 XT-1s on a Python. Sure you'll do some damage, but your just asking to get killed.
Derrith Erador wrote:Now onto my next point, why should a weapon that is fire and forget, can curve around buildings, and follow my flight pattern almost exactly unless I do some serious Yoda crap be buffed?
Maybe we were watching a different Star Wars, but quickly tapping R1, flicking the joystick up, and running in a straight line is not "Yoda crap".
Derrith Erador wrote:A lot of swarmers will say such things that will try to prove it takes skill to fire a swarm. The only three notable points I've ever noticed is:
1) It's about positioning
2) We have to remain undetected or we're dead.
3) You also have to deal with other infantry, and you're nearly unable to defend yourself
First off, all weapons are about positioning. You wouldn't ask someone with a rail rifle to take on an HMG in CQC and win, assuming they have equal skill in their fields.
All weapons includes the Swarm Launcher. You've literally admitted that the Swarm Launcher does require at least one skill to operate effectively, making your entire argument null. However I'll address the other points anyways.Another problem I've noticed that works in debunking points one and two is a behavior I've noticed in all swarmers, Never seen an exception to this. I've flown in hundreds of PC's, pubs and FW's alike.
This is a Toup+¬e Fallacy. Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. For example, I'm sure there are plenty of players who've never seen the "Giant GEK of Doom", but you and I both know that it's happened before.
The problem with this is that all swarmers tend to camp a single area, with no regard to stealth whatsoever. And all I have to do to find a swarm is to find his hive, it is almost always a guarantee that he/she is no less than 30 meters away from it.
And this, is an Association Fallacy. You haven't played with or against every single Swarm Launcher user in DUST 514, so you cannot make a valid claim that's all-inclusive.On the remaining undetected issue, I believe a Ludacris song will explain my feelings on this. Swarms launch a volley with a smoke trail, making it easy to find you, wouldn't it make sense to get the hell out of there, and strike from a different angle?
That's what your supposed to do. I've yet to see any complaining about it, so I fail to see why you've mentioned it. Though using hit-and-run tactics does require a multitude of skills (stealth, situational awareness, etc, etc,) so once again you've nullified your argument.
on fighting infantry and being nigh defenseless. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? If you're that concerned about it, bring a friend.
Or just use a Commando. Though you shouldn't have to field 200% of the resources that the enemy fielded, especially with a weapon as lolworthy against ADSs as the SL.
If 1x = 2y, why would I use anything but Y?
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:35:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:
@ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget.
124 Kills. You'd think a "purely AV weapon" would be better at AV. No? Swarm performance is abysmal, even when the very best of us give it our all. Not when it fires and practically aims for you, no. Also the fact that it curves around buildings following our flight pattern almost perfectly, and that I have yet to see a swarm user who doesn't camp a single area hoping I'll go looking for him. I admit, I do. But I think the matter here is that no matter what you or I say to convince each other of our arguments, we're not going to agree with each other. I think it's a fire and forget weapon that noob tube users want to spam like it's ham on Christmas (that was a terrible analogy), you... I'm not sure what you think, but it clearly doesn't fall in tandem with what I think.
We can't hide behind past design decisions as justification for doing nothing about a present problem.
We may like how the Devs decided to design Swarms, but that doesn't grant us excuse to ignore their underperformance. If the item is in the game, and that item is broken, we should do what we can to try to fix that item. If we aren't willing or able to fix that item, then we should remove it from the game.
We point to skill requirement as justification for high-end performance (i.e. Scrambler Rifles, Nova Knives, ADS). But when have we ever pointed to skill requirement as justification for low-end performance? I am not conceding that swarms require no user skill, but even if they didn't, that isn't an excuse to leave them broken.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2464
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:28:00 -
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I had to cut the quotes, but this one is at you Atiim.
1)I did the math again, and it still shows 34 damage difference. But to be honest, it's three damage, one of us is off by three. Doesn't matter who. Is it really worth arguing over?
2)On your little technique on outrunning them, that's a terrible move, I wouldn't use that move to run from a hippo (again with these terrible analogies, I really should stop). You can be so much more useful to a team using Judge's technique (the flippy circle thing, screw it, we'll call it the rolling pig), it takes less time to get in back in the fight and clear reds off high ground and put links up so your blue chicks can camp the high and secure a letter.
3) So being wrong on one point nullifies nearly my whole argument? First off, I don't even think I'm wrong. And positioning isn't a skill thing, it's a common sense thing. I attribute skill to gun game, having good positioning with a weapon doesn't make you good at it, or skilled, hitting accurately all by yourself does, no matter where you are.
4) You have to remain undetected argument. Yes, that is what you're supposed to do, and I have seen people say this. Adipem Nothi said it himself in a thread similar to this (in that it was concerning ADS). Yes I have seen it, just don't remember where. I think features and ideas.
5) I have to admit I probably haven't played against every swarmer in the game, but I don't view the notion that this all becomes okay because one guy/girl out of 6000 (random number) does it right. It doesn't change the fact that nearly every time there is a hive, there is almost always a swarmer near. But who knows, you recently got a ammo buff, no? Maybe some swarmers may start doing it right for once, that will interesting for me. Besides, you don't become a swarmer by picking up a swarm launcher that you get for free, you become one by devoting yourself to it. Pilots, slayers, heavies and logis all have become who they are by devoting themselves to said role.
6) Minmando, to be honest, I thought that assaults should've gotten that bonus to weapons. They are the slayers after all. I think that commandos should have gotten a bonus to help their races weapons in it weak ranges. Galmando would have gotten a bonus to effective plasma range, calmando would have received a recoil bonus. Which would leave the min assault in a very interesting position, don't you think? They could start being mobile AV as their speed is greater than all medium frames and above, then they can follow the advice our great rapper Ludacris gave. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, but I'm sleepy and I'm going to watch an episode of Wedding Peach to see if I can stomach it.
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2464
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:32:00 -
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One more thing, no ADS pilot I respect puts three xt-1s on a python. Three reasons:
1) expensive
2) not enough tank
3) having two gunners makes it to where you have to decide between gunners, in that period where he is deciding, he can easily get rammed. It doesn't take that long.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13008
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
If 1x = 2y, why would I use anything but Y?[/i]
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Wait...... why wouldn't you want to use X? If you only need one of them to = 2y....... wouldn't it be all round simpler and generally more efficient to pick X?
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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ACT1ON BASTARD
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.22 05:57:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:@ action: I've used the range amp, it works fine for me. And if you're so certain that I've never flown before, ask me a derp question that is at least chrome build and beyond. I was flying when damage mods were passive, when blaster turrets were the greatest thing since sliced bread, and during that era ironically, rockets were very underrated, as rockets in that day were still awesome. I was around when rockets didn't count as explosive damage, and you could still be revived after being shot by it. Long story short, range amps work for me, I guess they don't work for you. If that's how you roll, fine.
@ massive, I thank you for the compliment. You're a pretty scary forger yourself. But in truth, there are pilots out there that can probably do the things I do better than I can. heck, I've even been trying to teach some people to fly recently, and to be honest, I don't think that good of a job, not a bad job mind you, but I could do better.
@ that one kitty: Show me an ADS pilot that flies in a straight line to avoid swarms. I never said that this should be a good way to dodge them, in fact, any pilot that does that deserves to die.
@ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget. Range amps arent for dropships. I use them on my Amarr logi. Which is my main pilot suit. I thought that would've been common sense, you and Takahiro got it wrong too. My mistake.
I wasnt aware dropsuit mods applied to vehicles.Can i get a dev to confirm this |
Riptalis
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
49
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Posted - 2014.08.22 09:15:00 -
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Collision damage is my biggest concern. That's one issue that hasn't been given a thought by CCP. Yes, ADS are faster but simply love-tapping a Python with a MLT dropship and making it go boom is non negotiable. Needs fix! Delta?
Logistics ak.0
ADS Pilot
PSN: Riptalis
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Atiim
11566
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Posted - 2014.08.22 11:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
If 1x = 2y, why would I use anything but Y?[/i]
Wait...... why wouldn't you want to use X? If you only need one of them to = 2y....... wouldn't it be all round simpler and generally more efficient to pick X?
I mean to say X. 
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2289
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Posted - 2014.08.22 11:33:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Swarms are pretty solidly inferior to every other weapon in the game. Particularly when you consider than yes, while swarms arc around buildings, they also hit those buildings more often than not, and that forge gunners can near insta-hit you with ease. Additionally, when you consider the fact that swarms are the only weapon in the game that can't fire at infantry, and also happens to suck at AV, you wonder why they exist at all.
My theory is that they used to be useful, therefore they had to be nerfed into the ground.
I miss the days when having a STD or militia LAV untanked meant death if there was a decent gunner on the field. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3917
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:
@ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget.
124 Kills. You'd think a "purely AV weapon" would be better at killing vehicles. No? Swarm performance is abysmal, even when the very best of us give it our all.
Looks like we have some grade A bullshit here
Kills 124
What is a kill? Its when the player dies and has to respawn
Can you not die in a vehicle? Yes
Can you not die in a vehicle even when it blows up? Yes, you just exit the vehicle before it actually blows up
124 kills means 124 ppl stayed in there vehicle until it blew up while everyone else jumped out
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:28:00 -
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Pray tell, Taki:
What other statistics are available for our reference?
Some statistics I'd be interested in seeing ...
# of ADS wrecked by Swarms alone
# of Swarmers killed by ADS
Total value of ADS killed by infantry
Total value of all infantry killed by ADS
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3925
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:59:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Pray tell, Taki:
What other statistics are available for our reference?
Some statistics I'd be interested in seeing ...
# of ADS wrecked by Swarms alone
# of Swarmers killed by ADS
Total value of ADS killed by infantry
Total value of all infantry killed by ADS
Go ask ccp but a kill implies the player died and with a swarm launcher the only way it kills is if the player stays inside the vehicle or is next to it with low enough health since you cant target infantry |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:00:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Pray tell, Taki:
What other statistics are available for our reference?
Some statistics I'd be interested in seeing ...
# of ADS wrecked by Swarms alone
# of Swarmers killed by ADS
Total value of ADS killed by infantry
Total value of all infantry killed by ADS Go ask ccp but a kill implies the player died and with a swarm launcher the only way it kills is if the player stays inside the vehicle or is next to it with low enough health since you cant target infantry
Fun as they'd be to discuss, those statistics won't be made available to we plebes. What is readily available (in addition to the expert challenge results) is the demeanor of pilots as it relates to this supposed counter ...
Following 1.7, most pilots -- yourself included -- expressed approval with the state of swarms.
They insisted that Swarms were fine.
They insisted that swarmers were doing it wrong.
They insisted that no improvements be made to Swarms.
Today, most pilots -- yourself included -- express approval with the state of swarms.
They insist that Swarms are fine.
They insist that swarmers are doing it wrong.
They insist that no improvements be made to Swarms.
What -- if anything -- does pilot demeanor tell is about the state of swarms?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3929
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:08:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Pray tell, Taki:
What other statistics are available for our reference?
Some statistics I'd be interested in seeing ...
# of ADS wrecked by Swarms alone
# of Swarmers killed by ADS
Total value of ADS killed by infantry
Total value of all infantry killed by ADS Go ask ccp but a kill implies the player died and with a swarm launcher the only way it kills is if the player stays inside the vehicle or is next to it with low enough health since you cant target infantry Fun as they'd be to discuss, those statistics won't be made available to we plebes. What is readily available (in addition to the expert challenge results) is the demeanor of pilots as it relates to this supposed counter ... Following 1.7, most pilots -- yourself included -- expressed approval with the state of swarms. They insisted that Swarms were fine. They insisted that swarmers were doing it wrong. They insisted that no improvements be made to Swarms. Today, most pilots -- yourself included -- express approval with the state of swarms. They insist that Swarms are fine. They insist that swarmers are doing it wrong. They insist that no improvements be made to Swarms. What -- if anything -- does pilot demeanor tell is about the state of swarms?
Swarms can still be fired invisible
Swarms can still track around cover and corners
Swarms can stop on a dime and do a 180 turn and then go back to full speed
Swarms are still buggy as ****, not 1.0 buggy but still annoying
Also 1.0 swarm users insisted that swarms were fine and pilots were doing it wrong
Still doesnt mean ****, swarms do not lock onto infantry, pilots have a chance to jump out of the vehicle before it explodes and your going away from your point
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:14:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:
Excuses
Excuses
Excuses
I see you're having trouble following ... let's add context:
If Scouts get hot-and-bothered about Heavies ...
And Heavies get hot-and-bothered about Scouts ...
How is it that Pilots can be happy with the state of Swarms?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5806
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:31:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:All I have to say: this is what happens when CCP listens to its community.
CCP knew ADSs would cause issues with game balance, and they wanted to remove them with the rest of the vehicle variants.
The community bitched about it, so CCP kept them in game.
Lo and behold, the ADS is still ******* up game balance. So you whining about it instead of offering a solution is going to help? I'm saying CCP should go ahead and remove assault dropships like they wanted to in the first place. They aren't consistent enough with the rest of the game to balance properly. Vehicles arent consistent enough now
what I'm saying is the assault dropships are essentially Tech 2 vehicles, when the rest of the vehicles are Tech 0.
We need to build our way up to them, and balance on the way up.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:37:00 -
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XT-1 Missiles have a base of 500 HP worth of Splash Damage.
That's why ADSs are OP as hell.
I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
3176
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:51:00 -
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Riptalis wrote:Collision damage is my biggest concern. That's one issue that hasn't been given a thought by CCP. Yes, ADS are faster but simply love-tapping a Python with a MLT dropship and making it go boom is non negotiable. Needs fix! Delta?
Don't collide with crud, dude. I'd love if my RAV4 just bounced off other cars on the highway, but it doesn't work like that. And on the ridiculous end, dropships don't blow up like they should, leaving lots of dropship pilots and passengers plenty of time to abandon ship and avoid death.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2472
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:57:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:XT-1 Missiles have a base of 500 HP worth of Splash Damage.
That's why ADSs are OP as hell.
*358 splash, and that isn't putting into account the damage buff skill we get.
358+ 35= 393 is our max splash raw, if your concern is that it may be possible to reach nearly 500 splash damage, use shields.
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
466
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:14:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Cass Caul wrote:XT-1 Missiles have a base of 500 HP worth of Splash Damage.
That's why ADSs are OP as hell. *358 splash, and that isn't putting into account the damage buff skill we get. 358+ 35= 393 is our max splash raw, if your concern is that it may be possible to reach nearly 500 splash damage, use shields.
This.
It takes alot of shots to kill my CalHeavy and that's if they don't let me regen which happens quickly. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3355
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:31:00 -
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Forge guns are fine, if you can lime up all 3 shots that Pilot is dead in the water. That's all I'm saying on that matter.
As for the Swarm vs Afterburner argument.
Both sides have perfectly valid points which the other can only reply with 'tin foil hats' or whining.
I think it's perfectly fair, that a dropship shouldn't be capable of staight up out running a swarm volley, especially if said volley is launched less than 50m from you, or is already in the air. Too many times can pilots just outrun the 2 volleys in the air, of which only 1 is required, that is simply not fair, I have outmanoeuvred and outclassed that pilot, he should be laid to rites. But he isn't as such I believe a Swarm Launcher speed buff and/or an afterburner nerf is entirely justified.
Secondly I think the current tracking ability of swarms is absurd, no matter what you do you simply can't outmanoeuvre them, it would bring more skill to both roles, if the swarm launcher can be dodged. As such I believe a turning circle nerf is also perfectly justified.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2475
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:00:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
As for the Swarm vs Afterburner argument.
Both sides have perfectly valid points which the other can only reply with 'tin foil hats' or whining.
I think it's perfectly fair, that a dropship shouldn't be capable of staight up out running a swarm volley, especially if said volley is launched less than 50m from you, or is already in the air. Too many times can pilots just outrun the 2 volleys in the air, of which only 1 is required, that is simply not fair, I have outmanoeuvred and outclassed that pilot, he should be laid to rites. But he isn't as such I believe a Swarm Launcher speed buff and/or an afterburner nerf is entirely justified.
Secondly I think the current tracking ability of swarms is absurd, no matter what you do you simply can't outmanoeuvre them, it would bring more skill to both roles, if the swarm launcher can be dodged. As such I believe a turning circle nerf is also perfectly justified.
You know, our fair princess Zatata said much the same to me over Skype. And to be fair, he raised a valid point with the acceleration of swarms, and I just tested Atiims avoidance move, it's sadly possible this can happen, lets noob pilots have an easy way out, and be less useful, padding their KD.
Anyway, long story short, I guess an acceleration boost is fine to swarms, but I see no point in buffing anything else.
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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MassiveNine
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
897
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:35:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:@ action: I've used the range amp, it works fine for me. And if you're so certain that I've never flown before, ask me a derp question that is at least chrome build and beyond. I was flying when damage mods were passive, when blaster turrets were the greatest thing since sliced bread, and during that era ironically, rockets were very underrated, as rockets in that day were still awesome. I was around when rockets didn't count as explosive damage, and you could still be revived after being shot by it. Long story short, range amps work for me, I guess they don't work for you. If that's how you roll, fine.
@ massive, I thank you for the compliment. You're a pretty scary forger yourself. But in truth, there are pilots out there that can probably do the things I do better than I can. heck, I've even been trying to teach some people to fly recently, and to be honest, I don't think that good of a job, not a bad job mind you, but I could do better.
@ that one kitty: Show me an ADS pilot that flies in a straight line to avoid swarms. I never said that this should be a good way to dodge them, in fact, any pilot that does that deserves to die.
@ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget. Range amps arent for dropships. I use them on my Amarr logi. Which is my main pilot suit. I thought that would've been common sense, you and Takahiro got it wrong too. My mistake. I wasnt aware dropsuit mods applied to vehicles.Can i get a dev to confirm this
They don't. Dropsuit mods also don't just become useless once you get into the seat of a vehicle though. If he equips all proto range enhancements on his dropsuit, it's ridiculous to think they wouldn't work while he's flying through the air. It's not being applied to the vehicle, they are working in tandem.
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:All I have to say: this is what happens when CCP listens to its community.
CCP knew ADSs would cause issues with game balance, and they wanted to remove them with the rest of the vehicle variants.
The community bitched about it, so CCP kept them in game.
Lo and behold, the ADS is still ******* up game balance.
I fail to see how the Logistics dropship caused enough balance issues to warrant removal...
Rather than fixing anything, they took the easy way out and removed content from the game...
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Cass Caul wrote:XT-1 Missiles have a base of 500 HP worth of Splash Damage.
That's why ADSs are OP as hell.
So... it's not the ADS that is overpowered...
Why are we trying to nerf the ADS again? When the turret is possibly the issue?
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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