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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:13:00 -
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If Swarms are fine and oh-so-easy, how is it they performed so poorly in the Expert Challenge?
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:54:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote: @ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget.
124 Kills. You'd think a "purely AV weapon" would be better at AV. No?
Swarm performance is abysmal, even when the very best of us give it our all.
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:35:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Derrith Erador wrote: @ adipem Nothi: The swarm is a pure AV weapon. If you look at the stats and damage towards infantry, it was never meant to kill infantry by design. That is why it didn't fare so well in kills, as it wasn't supposed to kill anything but vehicles. I still maintain that swarms having a lock on feature make me think that it shouldn't get anything buffed, at least damage wise. I will still view it as fire and forget.
124 Kills. You'd think a "purely AV weapon" would be better at AV. No? Swarm performance is abysmal, even when the very best of us give it our all. Not when it fires and practically aims for you, no. Also the fact that it curves around buildings following our flight pattern almost perfectly, and that I have yet to see a swarm user who doesn't camp a single area hoping I'll go looking for him. I admit, I do. But I think the matter here is that no matter what you or I say to convince each other of our arguments, we're not going to agree with each other. I think it's a fire and forget weapon that noob tube users want to spam like it's ham on Christmas (that was a terrible analogy), you... I'm not sure what you think, but it clearly doesn't fall in tandem with what I think.
We can't hide behind past design decisions as justification for doing nothing about a present problem.
We may like how the Devs decided to design Swarms, but that doesn't grant us excuse to ignore their underperformance. If the item is in the game, and that item is broken, we should do what we can to try to fix that item. If we aren't willing or able to fix that item, then we should remove it from the game.
We point to skill requirement as justification for high-end performance (i.e. Scrambler Rifles, Nova Knives, ADS). But when have we ever pointed to skill requirement as justification for low-end performance? I am not conceding that swarms require no user skill, but even if they didn't, that isn't an excuse to leave them broken.
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:28:00 -
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Pray tell, Taki: What other statistics are available for our reference?
Some statistics I'd be interested in seeing ...
# of ADS wrecked by Swarms alone # of Swarmers killed by ADS
Total value of ADS killed by infantry Total value of all infantry killed by ADS
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:00:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Pray tell, Taki: What other statistics are available for our reference?
Some statistics I'd be interested in seeing ...
# of ADS wrecked by Swarms alone # of Swarmers killed by ADS
Total value of ADS killed by infantry Total value of all infantry killed by ADS Go ask ccp but a kill implies the player died and with a swarm launcher the only way it kills is if the player stays inside the vehicle or is next to it with low enough health since you cant target infantry
Fun as they'd be to discuss, those statistics won't be made available to we plebes. What is readily available (in addition to the expert challenge results) is the demeanor of pilots as it relates to this supposed counter ...
Following 1.7, most pilots -- yourself included -- expressed approval with the state of swarms. They insisted that Swarms were fine. They insisted that swarmers were doing it wrong. They insisted that no improvements be made to Swarms.
Today, most pilots -- yourself included -- express approval with the state of swarms. They insist that Swarms are fine. They insist that swarmers are doing it wrong. They insist that no improvements be made to Swarms.
What -- if anything -- does pilot demeanor tell is about the state of swarms?
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Posted - 2014.08.22 16:14:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Excuses Excuses Excuses
I see you're having trouble following ... let's add context:
If Scouts get hot-and-bothered about Heavies ... And Heavies get hot-and-bothered about Scouts ... How is it that Pilots can be happy with the state of Swarms?
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