Try, try, try to think deeper than one match. If your high kdr NP plays other high kdr players, someone's kdr goes up while someone else's kdr goes down. All the time. Every time. In every match. For everyone.

Think. I know it hurts, but think.

Again also for the hundredth time:

>Thinks a tps open world mmo is a fps lobby shooter.

No just no, understand please that there is something called game design. Also understand, that its a well studied field especially for game developers. Also understand that you can't just copy one system from another genre and it miraculously work well. Like i've used a million times before, how popular would online monopoly be if players were given rising dollar amounts at the start of every game based upon how long they have been playing? Eve is an open world anarchic cluster **** designed around ganking. Dust is a lobby shooter...

The way Dust has been an utter failure in the NPE department has statistically and objectively proven my point.

Take your welcome to New Eden and shove it up your ass. You may not care, but CCP as a company that needs to make money should care. If you want Legion to fail, then by all means keep supporting a bad system.

I've played FPS games on PC and consoles for 20 years now. If Legion keeps the current sp system, especially if it transfers dust sp over to Legion, this game will nose dive even if it is on PC. Don't come crying to me when you realize you burned down New Eden's chance of branching and integrating with shooters. CCP hasn't even greenlit Legion and they sure as hell will pull the plug if it ends up averaging a couple thousand players like Dust. You gotta be willing to drop a couple thousand dollars a month on Legion if you want them to keep it running.

If you feel the sp disparity is no big deal. Create an alt, give it no isk, and use it for the next couple of months alone. Don't play a few games then say eh not feeling it let me play my main! No, if you want to stand by your bullshit then you play for a couple of months only on that alt and see if you still feel sp isn't a big deal.

"But how will I grind out the sp cap on my main then?" Why would you need to? You just said you only really need about 4-5 million sp to be effective.

>Eve is a growing playerbase.

After 10 years in the MMO online genre known for getting millions of subscribers and practically being able to found its own country if subscribers were citizens Eve has extremely and slowly grown. Eve is the kind of example you don't want to use for player growth.

I agree. The NPE is absolutely terrible.

Don't start with this I'm not hostile bullshit. You just said welcome to New Eden, this is a go to statement of saying go **** yourself HTFU that is perpetuated here and in Eve. I don't really care if you aren't hostile I'm going to obviously be hostile because you are dismissive.

Here's the thing and its the truth. You're bad at this game if you think having unlocked multiple proto fits is not an advantage. If you spent 47 million sp and can only perform one role, I'm either going to call bullshit, or you haven't spent most of your sp. Believe it or not, as the game drags on and players get more sp more players are capable of fielding the best gear with higher passive buffs giving them an inherent advantage. You may approve of this and you may not, and either way I don't care as I have no real affinity for the success of Legion, I'm just trying to be realistic for CCP if they actually want it to succeed and to be honest with how tight lipped CCP has been about sp character transfers, I think they know they will have to reset as well or even restructure the sp system. What I don't like and is apart of what you have claimed in your posts that made me hostile, was that 4-5 million sp is all it takes to be competitive. I'm sorry no, if you think versatility in multiple proto roles isn't necessary when the battlefield is changing then you are non-competitve, which again is fine. But don't claim to understand things that you don't. The advantage of having millions upon millions of sp is that a player can fit 30 different proto kitted role changing fits that will hard counter other opponents. Because in an asymmetric fps, hard counters will always be present.

I know their different generes, but the reason I CAN'T get into other FPSs the way I could dust is that [b]I get to advance my character[/b

You mean you aren't very good and need to gain passive buffs to make you feel like you are accomplishing something.

not follow a pre determined get this gun, get this scope, get this drone, get this claymore, etc. The choices are made by me, not a programmer in [insert country] following the "Holy Book of FPS Design"

It's called FOTM, and its always been a problem. Its also exacerbated by the sp system where vets can always easily find and use the FOTM as their sp total rises.

Um no if i tank all day wery day ans kill 25 ppl with a blaster without dying then my kdr goes up this doesn't just apply to tanking. Your idea is invalid and stupid and like i said only COD babies measure their skills by kdr.

Two words.

Militia Shotgun.

Honestly I like the game but how are you going to keep someone interested in a game when they don't stand a chance at being useful other than being cannon fodder.

You don't. That's why this game's playerbase has been utter crap since the moment it came out of Beta.

If CCP actually wants to save this game, and simply isn't bidding time trying to keep us happy until Legion, NPE needs to be it's top priority, and the way that is achieved is via meta-level capped matches.

Ambush: Meta-level 2 gear
Skirmish/Doms: Meta-level 6-8 gear
Factional Warfare/PC: Meta-level 10 gear

Basically, you can bring in gear up to a certain meta-level, but never more -- the suit would simply appear red in your inventory, and you wouldn't be able to spawn in with it. This helps to bridge the gap between 5-10 mil SP players and 30-50 mil SP vets. It allows a noob to concentrate on building core skills and weapon proficiencies, thereby allowing a noob to become more competitive in a shorter period of time, for certain types of matches.

Also, another benefit of the above system is that all the loudmouths in the playerbase that continually state whenever this topic comes up, "Gear doesn't matter", would be able to join matches with lower-level gear, and prove it.

A second tier academy would solve a lot of these issues. It would be like the other public game modes but restricted to players under some SP threshold (I think 5mill is a good cutoff). It would be the only mode checked by default. This would give new players a refuge from protostompers, but still allow them the option to play in more competitive modes if they want. By the time they've hit the cap for this mode they should be able to field a reasonably competitive advanced fit with some core skills. The reason why you don't just extend the existing academy is because you don't want to have players with 4.9mill SP stomping players who are launching DUST for the first time.

Don't start with this I'm not hostile bullshit. You just said welcome to New Eden, this is a go to statement of saying go **** yourself HTFU that is perpetuated here and in Eve. I don't really care if you aren't hostile I'm going to obviously be hostile because you are dismissive.

Here's the thing and its the truth. You're bad at this game if you think having unlocked multiple proto fits is not an advantage. If you spent 47 million sp and can only perform one role, I'm either going to call bullshit, or you haven't spent most of your sp. Believe it or not, as the game drags on and players get more sp more players are capable of fielding the best gear with higher passive buffs giving them an inherent advantage. You may approve of this and you may not, and either way I don't care as I have no real affinity for the success of Legion, I'm just trying to be realistic for CCP if they actually want it to succeed and to be honest with how tight lipped CCP has been about sp character transfers, I think they know they will have to reset as well or even restructure the sp system. What I don't like and is apart of what you have claimed in your posts that made me hostile, was that 4-5 million sp is all it takes to be competitive. I'm sorry no, if you think versatility in multiple proto roles isn't necessary when the battlefield is changing then you are non-competitve, which again is fine. But don't claim to understand things that you don't. The advantage of having millions upon millions of sp is that a player can fit 30 different proto kitted role changing fits that will hard counter other opponents. Because in an asymmetric fps, hard counters will always be present.

I know their different generes, but the reason I CAN'T get into other FPSs the way I could dust is that [b]I get to advance my character[/b

You mean you aren't very good and need to gain passive buffs to make you feel like you are accomplishing something.

not follow a pre determined get this gun, get this scope, get this drone, get this claymore, etc. The choices are made by me, not a programmer in [insert country] following the "Holy Book of FPS Design"

It's called FOTM, and its always been a problem. Its also exacerbated by the sp system where vets can always easily find and use the FOTM as their sp total rises.