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Viziam1 Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:51:00 - [1] - Quote So I've heard a lot of things about Dust514 and CCP games. So I figured what the heck I'd give it a try and see what all the hype was about. One thing I learned very quick is that as a new player its pointless to even think about having a chance on the battle field. Every match is the exact same, que up for a match and get you face kicked in the whole match by people who are running prototype gear and what players call officer weapons. I don't expect to lead the boards or anything but i would like to be able to play a match and have a fighting chance. I understand some of these guys have been playing for a couple of years and have the skills to run the best gear in the game, but where does that leave the new players. I spawn in and get shot once (twice if I'm lucky) and that's it. I see people that just want to hide in the red line and use a sniper rifle because i guess they are scared of getting there suit dirty, but that's a waist of time when your whole team decides to do that. Or they stay on the MCC and spin in circles. I just feel that new players don't even have a fighting chance. All we are doing is feeding the Veteran players free kills. Public matches are VERY unbalanced as far as new players having the ability to have a fighting chance. As the game is right now you are basically asking a 5 year old to go play in the NFL and win MVP in the Super Bowl. I stand a snowballs chance in a blast furnace at being useful on the battle field against all of these proto running people, I like the game. I guess that new players just have to spend there time getting their face kicked in and ask politely "Please Sir can I have some more". Honestly I like the game but how are you going to keep someone interested in a game when they don't stand a chance at being useful other than being cannon fodder.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 946	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote Two words. Militia Shotgun. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:58:00 - [3] - Quote I agree. The NPE is absolutely terrible. Awhile back, I biomassed my main character. I decided to give Hotfix C a try this weekend with the Forum Alt I made after I biomassed, and was completely blown away by how insanely hard it is to compete as a new character. I can only imagine how bad it would be for people that don't know where to put SP, have little map knowledge, and generally don't understand the ins and outs of Dust yet. I've barely been able to keep above a 2.0 K/D, which is pretty bad for me.
Viziam1 Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:58:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Two words. Militia Shotgun. I don't see a shotgun being the answer to the whole problem. But ill give it a try.
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 727	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:01:00 - [5] - Quote Best way is to just follow the guys in black gear and steal all thier kills. Get a rail rifle and gank every red berry they gun for. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Zindorak 1.U.P 632	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:01:00 - [6] - Quote 3 words Militia Rail rifle Pokemon master
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2875	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:03:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly man the best thing you can do for yourself is join a corp. Playing with a group of veteran players will greatly reduce the disadvantage you feel from a lack of gear and SP, and provide a more enjoyable experience overall. People on the forums can be douchy, but there are a lot of really great corps out there that will gladly take you in and show you the ropes.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote Zindorak wrote: 3 words Militia Rail rifle The Militia ScR is quite good as well. The smaller mag goes practically unnoticed. Damn thing basically carried me through the first 15 matches.
Zindorak 1.U.P 632	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:04:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Zindorak wrote: 3 words Militia Rail rifle The Militia ScR is quite good as well. The smaller mag goes practically unnoticed. Damn thing basically carried me through the first 15 matches. yea that too Pokemon master
Tectonic Fusion 2020	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:08:00 - [10] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Zindorak wrote: 3 words Militia Rail rifle The Militia ScR is quite good as well. The smaller mag goes practically unnoticed. Damn thing basically carried me through the first 15 matches. yea that too Militia Combat Rifle? No? No love?

Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2489	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:10:00 - [11] - Quote Two words: kdr matchmaking fixes this. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Beh!
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1156	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:31:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Honestly man the best thing you can do for yourself is join a corp. Playing with a group of veteran players will greatly reduce the disadvantage you feel from a lack of gear and SP, and provide a more enjoyable experience overall. People on the forums can be douchy, but there are a lot of really great corps out there that will gladly take you in and show you the ropes. this is the best advice to get you through that ruff first 2 months as a new player. by putting 5 vets in your squad they have the gear to fight off tank, ADS, and other proto tryhards on the other side and that leaves you free to kill people on a less hardcore LVL . also for some reason when you go into games by yourself the matchmakeing will all ways put you on a bad team with other random players. we all got smashed when we were new but if you can make it over the hump you will find a game that is rich in fun. send a application in to KILL-EM-QUICK i spend a lot of my time training new players. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
castba Merc-0107 576	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:42:00 - [13] - Quote Grab a light frame Equip injector Equip armour repair tool Equip mlt rail or scrambler rifle Spam ambush and focus on reviving and repping blue/green dots and provide support fire when needed. You will learn effective support positioning while adding WP & SP faster than if you tried to be a killer which will allow you to skill into whatever you really want to use.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4714	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:46:00 - [14] - Quote The best thing a new player can do is get a squad.
saxonmish Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.08.19 04:55:00 - [15] - Quote Ive always said this, its not fair. but when you become the proto stomper you'll love it, honestly. I didnt get my first infantry proto stuff till like 7 months into the game but when i did i got messages saying im ruining the game and decreasing the player base :P My advice is come back if you can't do it now,cos when you come back your character will have so much built up sp you can just skill into what you want. but yea i'm one of those proto stompers i run proto every match and my song for after a clan match is 'Noobs glorious noobs, noobs made out of paper' lol its true tho the matchmaking suks SLAYER.
TheDarthMa94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 471	Posted - 2014.08.19 05:01:00 - [16] - Quote Here, have a 'like' Sith Lord "So, what are we going to do next? Something good? Something bad? A bit of both?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 297	Posted - 2014.08.19 05:05:00 - [17] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Two words: kdr matchmaking fixes this. Not really because then you can have a newberry that is great in the academy and gets a high kdr. Then what happens? The newberry that was good at fighting other newberries has to fight high kdr scrubs. Next why it would be bad would be logis dont usually have high kdrs so they will be put against low kdr newberries. Find another way cause only cod scrubs measure your skills by kdr. Why?
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2162	Posted - 2014.08.19 05:37:00 - [18] - Quote I agree that the NPE is really bad. Joining a corp is a really good idea, because using teamwork is critical to doing well. Dust University is a family-friendly training corp that is universally well-respected in the community. You should really check out Aaric Altair's videos. He has some fantastic tips/tactics/strategies for doing well as a new player. Best PvE idea ever!
Aka Swava Quafe Runners 7	Posted - 2014.08.19 05:40:00 - [19] - Quote Find the weapon that you like and decide on the role you want to be on the field. Skill in to the suit you want that fits that role up to at least advanced and then start working on your drop suit upgrades that is going to be you most important area to skill into. As for the Proto Stompers its something you are going to have to deal with because CCP isn't going to do anything to help you new guys out. The large corps have more Isk than they know what to do with so they just run proto all day every day because it is never going to hurt their wallet to do so.
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 101	Posted - 2014.08.19 06:02:00 - [20] - Quote Step by step list on how to successfully spent SP. 1.) Basic/Standard of everything that you truly enjoy. Use Militia gear to test stuff, not SP. 2.)Get some enhanced modules that fit your play style. I reccomend keeping it simple early on. Get some HP mods. 3.)Raise all relevant core skills to level III. This one is malleable. For example, if you need more PG, but have plenty of CPU, hold off on Electronics in favor of Engineering. 4.) If you are in a shield suit, get Complex Extenders/Rechargers/Regulators. If you are in an armor suit, get Complex Plates and Reppers. Get the opposite tanking module to Enhanced. Get an ADV weapon or 2. 5.) Go for the Advanced suit that you want. This will require you to save quite a bit of SP. Be patient. 6.) Max out your core skills. A lot of SP will be spent here. A lot. This is the point where you should get some equipment to ADV/PRO if you decide to run Logi. At this point, you should have a very viable suit. Not extremely competitve, but tough enough. 7.) The big one. The Proto rush. A LOT of patience and restraint will be needed here. This is where you should get all relevant weapons, equipment, and your first suit to PRO. NO blowing your SP anywhere else! Save it. Depending on your class, this might require anywhere between 2M to 5M SP. 8.)If you made it this far without straying too far from, "Well Done!". You are now a Protostomper! But don't worry, there is still A LOT of things to spend more SP on. Proficiency skills, fitting skills, ect. Small optimizations to your fittings here and there. You can do these in any order you see fit. ...I could give you a more in depth version if you told me what suit and weapons you plan to use.

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 215	Posted - 2014.08.19 06:19:00 - [21] - Quote OP Stick with it. The game can be brilliant and equally frustrating at times. Take each match as a challenge. Find a corp to run with that will squad up with you and teach you the ropes. However it sounds like you have found a decent weapon in the scrambler rifle but don't forget to try some of the others. Any way like someone has said don't try and get into proto to soon, run std/adv and get your core skills up they pay dividends in fitting better modules. Most of all don't give up. Enjoy your time here and enjoy shooting face. Minmatar logi <3 Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1167	Posted - 2014.08.19 07:58:00 - [22] - Quote you can always delete 2 characters every 10 hours and make new ones to play academy. then when your eyes eventually fall out from boredom killing mindless noobs you can take your main char out again if your up for a challenge. i'm not saying this to sound like a pretentious dik, i do it myself. it's better than whining about it hear because CCP will give no leeway to make a filtered match. the only way to filter the difficulty is to academy alt. our cries about your issue have always fallen on deaf ears- the tin foil hat theory is that they can't sell aurum if it's too easy for new players. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... Dark Taboo 171	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:35:00 - [23] - Quote 1) create account 2) come back after 3-6 months when sp will accumulate Sorry scrub mode off :) Listen to guys who offer U joining corp. It's nice to see when blueberry rise into bullet dodger killa :) Create 2nd acc for alt, if there will be some miracle and CCP will update Dust with new stuff You will be able to spend alt's sp to test things so your main acc will be even better.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2231	Posted - 2014.08.19 09:46:00 - [24] - Quote Always run in squads. Never solo when you can help it. One newberry is basically lunch. Six newberrys focusing fire is a credible threat.
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:39:00 - [25] - Quote OP, you sound like an alt. But your sentiments are correct. Every time I play in the academy, I feel god-like, and then sorry for the fate that awaits the blueberries. Fact is you just need to wait until you get to 5-7 million SP, before you can feel competitive. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
John ShepardIII 453	Posted - 2014.08.19 10:47:00 - [26] - Quote Joining a good squad always helps The True Shepard.
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1097	Posted - 2014.08.19 11:07:00 - [27] - Quote When your playing, are you using cover? or in the open relying on strafe? You can't simply brute force every situation in this game. Even proto players die fast when their in the open. Alot of new players like yourself have come from other fps games like Quake or CoD where reflex is king because it is first to shoot first to win. But in this game you need to examine the area around you, where can you take cover? where is your fall back position? where can you get flanked from, where is the closest blue who can support you? What weapon is your enemy/target using? is it CQC based? so you need to keep distance, or is it a long range weapon so you need to close in? What suits are you and your opponents using? are they shield based so you need to kill quick before they regen? or are they armor based so you don't need to rush for a kill. theres alot to consider and think on this game compared to other games and it will take time to get used to it all. But don't be discouraged, we all have been where you are..infact most of us started worse off. Compared to when I started Dust 514 you new players have it very easy. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Scar Scrilla 336	Posted - 2014.08.19 11:12:00 - [28] - Quote Drop uplinks will earn u a lotta WP (and thus SP) too. Especially in matches where your team gets stomped ... "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1572	Posted - 2014.08.19 11:23:00 - [29] - Quote Yeah, a new player cannot really play how they would in most games, trading assault rifle shots with the enemy. You have to get asymmetrical. Rail rifle, so you're hitting them when they can't hit you. HMG, so you have an overwhelming DPS/HP advantage. Or shotgun for the surprise OHK. Still won't be easy but you'll be able to contribute something.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2490	Posted - 2014.08.19 11:30:00 - [30] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Two words: kdr matchmaking fixes this. Not really because then you can have a newberry that is great in the academy and gets a high kdr. Then what happens? The newberry that was good at fighting other newberries has to fight high kdr scrubs. Next why it would be bad would be logis dont usually have high kdrs so they will be put against low kdr newberries. Find another way cause only cod scrubs measure your skills by kdr. Try, try, try to think deeper than one match. If your high kdr NP plays other high kdr players, someone's kdr goes up while someone else's kdr goes down. All the time. Every time. In every match. For everyone. Think. I know it hurts, but think. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Beh!



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