I agree. The NPE is absolutely terrible.

Awhile back, I biomassed my main character.
I decided to give Hotfix C a try this weekend with the Forum Alt I made after I biomassed, and was completely blown away by how insanely hard it is to compete as a new character. I can only imagine how bad it would be for people that don't know where to put SP, have little map knowledge, and generally don't understand the ins and outs of Dust yet.

I've barely been able to keep above a 2.0 K/D, which is pretty bad for me.

If there is two things that CCP should prioritize, it should be getting rid of the low level SP sinks such as Dropsuit Command skills, and making basic frames cheaper or more viable.

I would suggest joining Dust University, as they will show you the ropes.

Also, don't go straight for Proto gear, as that is a common mistake with noobs. Get familiar with standard and advanced gear while you bring your core skills such as engineering, armor plats, and shield extenders up. After you fell very confident that you have good core skills for your play style, make the final push for proto.

Oh, and learn to strafe. That is important.

Two words: kdr matchmaking fixes this.

I agree. The NPE is absolutely terrible.

I agree. The NPE is absolutely terrible.

Awhile back, I biomassed my main character.
I decided to give Hotfix C a try this weekend with the Forum Alt I made after I biomassed, and was completely blown away by how insanely hard it is to compete as a new character. I can only imagine how bad it would be for people that don't know where to put SP, have little map knowledge, and generally don't understand the ins and outs of Dust yet.

I've barely been able to keep above a 2.0 K/D, which is pretty bad for me.

If there is two things that CCP should prioritize, it should be getting rid of the low level SP sinks such as Dropsuit Command skills, and making basic frames cheaper or more viable.

I would suggest joining Dust University, as they will show you the ropes.

Also, don't go straight for Proto gear, as that is a common mistake with noobs. Get familiar with standard and advanced gear while you bring your core skills such as engineering, armor plats, and shield extenders up. After you fell very confident that you have good core skills for your play style, make the final push for proto.

Oh, and learn to strafe. That is important.

Yeah Turbo controllers on a scrambler can help you keep above a 2.0 kd/r just sayin'.

On topic however, I've been saying for ages the sp disparity will only get worse and keep getting worse the older the game becomes without some sort of ladder matchmaking. I'll say it for the hundredth time, it's not rocket science, passive buffs alone over time with players having 70 million sp will make the game no contest for newcomers. Add the fact that there is an active SP cap and you have a seniority based fps lobby shooter. That's why I think most the population tends to be pretty bad and a lot of the old vets I've seen admit this is their first rodeo having come from Eve and never cared for fps games before... the way this game was designed on many levels discourages competitive play. So the blueberries who are bad at fps games generally stay so that they can beat up the newer players when they get more sp while most competitive players just say **** this noise, and quit and play a more balanced fps.

It's a perpetuating bully culture that encourages poor sportsmanship.

Just saying...

Being new versus Closed-Beta Vets wasn't easy feat either.

Welcome to New Eden?
You're talking about the exact same thing that happens in EVE, yet that game has a slowly growing membership. Granted, I'd have preferred the"10 year plan" for the PS3/4 but that obviously isn't going to happen.

I don't know, (not trying to start a flame war) but maybe it really does come down to the mentality of PC gamers vs Console gamers. I just don't see the problem. I may have 46 million SP, but I can only use 4-5 million in any given suit. Having 50 million SP doesn't make you that much stronger, it just give you more options.

Drop uplinks will earn u a lotta WP (and thus SP) too. Especially in matches where your team gets stomped ...

Welcome to New Eden?
You're talking about the exact same thing that happens in EVE, yet that game has a slowly growing membership. Granted, I'd have preferred the"10 year plan" for the PS3/4 but that obviously isn't going to happen.

I don't know, (not trying to start a flame war) but maybe it really does come down to the mentality of PC gamers vs Console gamers. I just don't see the problem. I may have 46 million SP, but I can only use 4-5 million in any given suit. Having 50 million SP doesn't make you that much stronger, it just give you more options.

You're still on this trip?

KDR Matchmaking does not fix the problem, and I'll reiterate why. You end up with a new player, with relatively good gun game but only 3-4 million SP and a 1.15 KDR up against me, someone who had an abysmal gun game to start but has 46 million SP and a 0.95 KDR (which is pretty steady now because i keep using LOLFits to keep the game interesting)

Do you really, truly believe that I won't decimate that new player? The range of weapons I can use, i could counter anything he's actually put skill points into.

I don't disagree that matchmaking needs a little work, but it's not CCPs way or New Eden's way to protect the new players from the vets. I think a longer academy training is in order, but you need the new player count to sustain a longer academy which is something CCP has a problem with since they shelved production on Dust for Legion.

So I've heard a lot of things about Dust514 and CCP games. So I figured what the heck I'd give it a try and see what all the hype was about. One thing I learned very quick is that as a new player its pointless to even think about having a chance on the battle field. Every match is the exact same, que up for a match and get you face kicked in the whole match by people who are running prototype gear and what players call officer weapons. I don't expect to lead the boards or anything but i would like to be able to play a match and have a fighting chance. I understand some of these guys have been playing for a couple of years and have the skills to run the best gear in the game, but where does that leave the new players. I spawn in and get shot once (twice if I'm lucky) and that's it. I see people that just want to hide in the red line and use a sniper rifle because i guess they are scared of getting there suit dirty, but that's a waist of time when your whole team decides to do that. Or they stay on the MCC and spin in circles. I just feel that new players don't even have a fighting chance. All we are doing is feeding the Veteran players free kills. Public matches are VERY unbalanced as far as new players having the ability to have a fighting chance. As the game is right now you are basically asking a 5 year old to go play in the NFL and win MVP in the Super Bowl. I stand a snowballs chance in a blast furnace at being useful on the battle field against all of these proto running people, I like the game. I guess that new players just have to spend there time getting their face kicked in and ask politely "Please Sir can I have some more".


Honestly I like the game but how are you going to keep someone interested in a game when they don't stand a chance at being useful other than being cannon fodder.

Again also for the hundredth time:

>Thinks a tps open world mmo is a fps lobby shooter.

No just no, understand please that there is something called game design. Also understand, that its a well studied field especially for game developers. Also understand that you can't just copy one system from another genre and it miraculously work well. Like i've used a million times before, how popular would online monopoly be if players were given rising dollar amounts at the start of every game based upon how long they have been playing? Eve is an open world anarchic cluster **** designed around ganking. Dust is a lobby shooter...

The way Dust has been an utter failure in the NPE department has statistically and objectively proven my point.

Take your welcome to New Eden and shove it up your ass. You may not care, but CCP as a company that needs to make money should care. If you want Legion to fail, then by all means keep supporting a bad system.

I've played FPS games on PC and consoles for 20 years now. If Legion keeps the current sp system, especially if it transfers dust sp over to Legion, this game will nose dive even if it is on PC. Don't come crying to me when you realize you burned down New Eden's chance of branching and integrating with shooters. CCP hasn't even greenlit Legion and they sure as hell will pull the plug if it ends up averaging a couple thousand players like Dust. You gotta be willing to drop a couple thousand dollars a month on Legion if you want them to keep it running.

If you feel the sp disparity is no big deal. Create an alt, give it no isk, and use it for the next couple of months alone. Don't play a few games then say eh not feeling it let me play my main! No, if you want to stand by your bullshit then you play for a couple of months only on that alt and see if you still feel sp isn't a big deal.

"But how will I grind out the sp cap on my main then?" Why would you need to? You just said you only really need about 4-5 million sp to be effective.

>Eve is a growing playerbase.

After 10 years in the MMO online genre known for getting millions of subscribers and practically being able to found its own country if subscribers were citizens Eve has extremely and slowly grown. Eve is the kind of example you don't want to use for player growth.

When your playing, are you using cover? or in the open relying on strafe? You can't simply brute force every situation in this game. Even proto players die fast when their in the open. Alot of new players like yourself have come from other fps games like Quake or CoD where reflex is king because it is first to shoot first to win. But in this game you need to examine the area around you, where can you take cover? where is your fall back position? where can you get flanked from, where is the closest blue who can support you? What weapon is your enemy/target using? is it CQC based? so you need to keep distance, or is it a long range weapon so you need to close in?

What suits are you and your opponents using? are they shield based so you need to kill quick before they regen? or are they armor based so you don't need to rush for a kill. theres alot to consider and think on this game compared to other games and it will take time to get used to it all.

But don't be discouraged, we all have been where you are..infact most of us started worse off. Compared to when I started Dust 514 you new players have it very easy.

If you're that much better, you'll never see that player on the opposite team. You'll see people as lethal as you for whatever reason, and you'll die. A lot.

Not really because then you can have a newberry that is great in the academy and gets a high kdr. Then what happens? The newberry that was good at fighting other newberries has to fight high kdr scrubs. Next why it would be bad would be logis dont usually have high kdrs so they will be put against low kdr newberries. Find another way cause only cod scrubs measure your skills by kdr.

to the guy saying dumb things like "you only use 6 mil sp in any given battle or suit.

i call bullshit

i have MAXED out passive skills, meaning even if we run the same suit, same weapons, and same build i have 20mil SP worth of passive skills backing me up that they dont

i hit harder, run faster, have more HP, regen quicker, scan better, dont show up on basic scans, relad faster have more ammo, hack faster, maxxed out my cpu and pg so i can fit my suits ALOT better, basically i can run around in basic fits all day and still be able to leverage my 43million SP advantage by a wide margin.

core passive skills are 90% of the skills in the game, the only skills im not using every second i play are the various dropsuits ive skilled into and whatever weapons/modules im not using.

but it still gives me about 20-25mil of an SP advantage due to all my passive skills, i have 4 mil invested in combat rifles alone giving me a huge advantage even while using my basic combat rifle against a new player using an advanced CR.

in my little assault suit i have

hack speed
biotics
shield upgrades and extenders
armor upgrades and plate bonus
regen bonuses
scanning passives
more cpu and pg to work with
better easyer to fit granades
massive amounts of sp spent in my combat rifles, mass drivers and SMGs that far outclass what a new player can do
passive suit bonus

hell its easyer to tell you what i dont get a bonus for when i run my assault

6mil my ass, passive skills are king wich is why i maxed everything that grants a passive bonus and still have only 1 proto suit at 43 million sp

OK, maybe i underestimated the Core skills total SP, I'm at work with no access to a PS3 at the moment.
That being said, any new berry can get the Core's to advanced relatively quickly, pro obviously takes more time. The 4-6% advantage between ADV and pro isn't that much of a difference as the 10-15% from nothing to pro.

Try, try, try to think deeper than one match. If your high kdr NP plays other high kdr players, someone's kdr goes up while someone else's kdr goes down. All the time. Every time. In every match. For everyone.

Think. I know it hurts, but think.

Do this;

Pick your PSN account, create a main. Set passive SP to count. Use some Aurum and run a 30 day booster. Then set up 14 more PSN accounts on your playstation, you don't need real emails...just type gibberish ones and set them all up with 3 dust characters.

Log in, create bs name....play in battle academy. Send every dime you make with every character to main character. Biomass bs characters, rinse and repeat. Do this for about the next 6 months.

6 months from now, log into main character....he's stockpiled with millions and millions and millions of isk. Use SP and unlock basic medium dropsuit of whatever race you like. Max out shield and armor.

By now you've played in the battle academy for 6 months so you should be aware of which weapons you like, which ones you don't...put SP into weapon you're most proficient with.

Be very careful with SP, its unforgiving. See what you have left and if you ran a booster every month for 6 months...you should have 6 million SP...you can likely go straight to proto dropsuit, fully maxed armor / shield and either full proto weapon, or advanced weapon with reload speed, clip size, etc all at least level 3.

That's how you NPE in Dust 514