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Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 210	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:45:00 - [31] - Quote Abber Dietmart wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Why did you do it CCP? Why did you make the scope on the Thale zoom the exact same as every other sniper rifle? What was the point of having an "Officer" Snipe Rifle that is supposed to be better then every other Sniper Rifle in the game, but now you made it no better then the rest. The best part of the Thale Sniper Rifle was the increased zoom of the scope. Please CCP change the zoom of the scope back to the way it was, and make it worth using again. Because I guess they figured its time for you to get out of the redline. yup
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 226	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:50:00 - [32] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Because redline sniping, because my gastun forgegun no longer deals 3k damage. Because redline snipers abuse them. Remember what happened when people abused the free LAV BPO? Yeah...we need that again here. I still have logi lav bpo's and, ive only seen a few other people with them. What Logi LAV BPO? Whats the name of it because as far as i know there are 5 LAV BPO's and they were all sagas
Rugudorull Apophicyria Laser Focused on PS3 79	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:55:00 - [33] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Because redline sniping, because my gastun forgegun no longer deals 3k damage. Because redline snipers abuse them. Remember what happened when people abused the free LAV BPO? Yeah...we need that again here. I still have logi lav bpo's and, ive only seen a few other people with them. Pretty sure that a Logi LAV BPO doesn't exist. You probably are referring to the Guristas Saga LAVv BPO that had a similar paint scheme that the real logi lavs had. This confusion probably would not exist if CCP had kept the original gold paint scheme on the Guristas Saga
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1096	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:01:00 - [34] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Because redline sniping, because my gastun forgegun no longer deals 3k damage. Because redline snipers abuse them. Remember what happened when people abused the free LAV BPO? Yeah...we need that again here. Everyone still has BPO LAV's so idk what you are talking about. Who cares about your Forge Gun. Snipers are supposed to be long range. This isn't Call of Doody where you run and gun Quick Scope No it's dust 514 where we hack objectives and pit our skills and tactics against other players to come up with genius ideas to kill each other. And who cares about your scrubby rifle, I bet more people would welcome the gastuns 3k dmg return over any idea of ever buffing sniper rifles. Why should your officer rifle be so OP you can kill people from further than they could see with a sniper of their own? Because your Balac and krin assault rilfe is OP compaired to your dauvalle Because your Gastuns hmg and fg is OP compaired to your boundless Because your Wolfmans is more OP the the proto SP Because the smg Officer is more OP the the proto smg Why should my Thale get nerf but the rest are left alone? Out of the weapons you named, how many are used in the redline? That's why If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16200	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:02:00 - [35] - Quote I have received several complaints that the Thale's is completely unusable in closer ranges because of the zoom to the point that the only way to use a Thale's properly WAS to be in the redline. As for what my fellow said I think adjusting the zoom is by far a more optimal solution to bringing them out of the redline a bit without nerfing the range. CPM 0 Secretary, CPM 1 Elect Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Minmatar Logistics =// Unlocked
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:06:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have received several complaints that the Thale's is completely unusable in closer ranges because of the zoom to the point that the only way to use a Thale's properly WAS to be in the redline. As for what my fellow said I think adjusting the zoom is by far a more optimal solution to bringing them out of the redline a bit without nerfing the range. and i didn't even complain about folks, honest.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3134	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:10:00 - [37] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall. Have you ever used either one of them? Before the zoom got nerfed yes the Thale out preformed the Charge because you were able to use it at a much further distance. Now that they both have the same zoom they work just the same except you dont have to charge the Thale Yeah, I career sniped for like six months back in the day. Looks like you yourself understand why the Thale's is vastly superior to the Charge. You don't have to freaking charge it. Pretty sure the Thale's also fires pretty much as fast as a Tac rifle, though I don't have the numbers in front of me. And isn't the clip larger? (Really should write these posts with numbers in front of me, lesson learned.) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 227	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:11:00 - [38] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: Because redline sniping, because my gastun forgegun no longer deals 3k damage. Because redline snipers abuse them. Remember what happened when people abused the free LAV BPO? Yeah...we need that again here. Everyone still has BPO LAV's so idk what you are talking about. Who cares about your Forge Gun. Snipers are supposed to be long range. This isn't Call of Doody where you run and gun Quick Scope No it's dust 514 where we hack objectives and pit our skills and tactics against other players to come up with genius ideas to kill each other. And who cares about your scrubby rifle, I bet more people would welcome the gastuns 3k dmg return over any idea of ever buffing sniper rifles. Why should your officer rifle be so OP you can kill people from further than they could see with a sniper of their own? Because your Balac and krin assault rilfe is OP compaired to your dauvalle Because your Gastuns hmg and fg is OP compaired to your boundless Because your Wolfmans is more OP the the proto SP Because the smg Officer is more OP the the proto smg Why should my Thale get nerf but the rest are left alone? Out of the weapons you named, how many are used in the redline? That's why Its a SNIPRE RIFLE NOT AN ASSAULT RILFE, IT IS NOT MENT TO BE USED IN MID-CLOSE RANGE, its ment to be from long range, just because they can kill you from outside the range of what you cn kiil them in does not mean they should be they should be nerfed so badly. Ill say it again, its the dumb a$$ scrub CoD players that ruined another aspect of this game by whining and crying and b!tching to CCP and they showed they have no damn blls and caved to you scrubs. If CCP wants to keep driving away the players that supported them for close to 3 years they are doing a great job at it.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 227	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:16:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall. Have you ever used either one of them? Before the zoom got nerfed yes the Thale out preformed the Charge because you were able to use it at a much further distance. Now that they both have the same zoom they work just the same except you dont have to charge the Thale Yeah, I career sniped for like six months back in the day. Looks like you yourself understand why the Thale's is vastly superior to the Charge. You don't have to freaking charge it. Pretty sure the Thale's also fires pretty much as fast as a Tac rifle, though I don't have the numbers in front of me. And isn't the clip larger? (Really should write these posts with numbers in front of me, lesson learned.) Yes you don't have to charge a thale, but then again you don;'t have to charge every other sniper rifle in the game, except the charge sniper rifle, so that point is totally invalid. The thale fires at the same rate as the Regular proto sniper not the tac, So since you made the Thale just like every other sniper rifle in the game, are you planning on putting it in the market so everyone can buy them?
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 213	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:38:00 - [40] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall. Have you ever used either one of them? Before the zoom got nerfed yes the Thale out preformed the Charge because you were able to use it at a much further distance. Now that they both have the same zoom they work just the same except you dont have to charge the Thale Yeah, I career sniped for like six months back in the day. Looks like you yourself understand why the Thale's is vastly superior to the Charge. You don't have to freaking charge it. Pretty sure the Thale's also fires pretty much as fast as a Tac rifle, though I don't have the numbers in front of me. And isn't the clip larger? (Really should write these posts with numbers in front of me, lesson learned.) Yes you don't have to charge a thale, but then again you don;'t have to charge every other sniper rifle in the game, except the charge sniper rifle, so that point is totally invalid. The thale fires at the same rate as the Regular proto sniper not the tac, So since you made the Thale just like every other sniper rifle in the game, are you planning on putting it in the market so everyone can buy them? Charged 321 Thales 355 You do not have to charge up each shot with the Thales It is superior to every other sniper What is the problem? So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:46:00 - [41] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall. Have you ever used either one of them? Before the zoom got nerfed yes the Thale out preformed the Charge because you were able to use it at a much further distance. Now that they both have the same zoom they work just the same except you dont have to charge the Thale Yeah, I career sniped for like six months back in the day. Looks like you yourself understand why the Thale's is vastly superior to the Charge. You don't have to freaking charge it. Pretty sure the Thale's also fires pretty much as fast as a Tac rifle, though I don't have the numbers in front of me. And isn't the clip larger? (Really should write these posts with numbers in front of me, lesson learned.) Yes you don't have to charge a thale, but then again you don;'t have to charge every other sniper rifle in the game, except the charge sniper rifle, so that point is totally invalid. The thale fires at the same rate as the Regular proto sniper not the tac, So since you made the Thale just like every other sniper rifle in the game, are you planning on putting it in the market so everyone can buy them? Charged 321 Thales 355 You do not have to charge up each shot with the Thales It is superior to every other sniper What is the problem? Damage wise yes it is, i never commented on that at all, and the thale used to be superior to every other sniper but now that its zoom has been reduced to the same as the rest it no longer is. now its just a higher damage sniper rifle EDIT: I just checked protofits.com as of now the Thale is just like every other proto type sniper except the tac. It has the everything the same exept doing 41 more damage then the charge, so what is the point of it being an officer weapon anymore if its going to perform like a proto.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 642	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:51:00 - [42] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: It still does a heck of a lot more damage. The zoom scope was incredibly OP. I can still hit stuff at that range with a normal rifle, it's just a lot harder. The further out you are, the harder it should realistically be to hit something. And yeah, it does encourage Thale's users to at least be a bit closer to the redline than they were before. Just noticing I hadn't been "thals'd" from 585m for a few days... My logi thanks you. haters gonna hate Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1096	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:56:00 - [43] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Its a SNIPRE RIFLE NOT AN ASSAULT RILFE, IT IS NOT MENT TO BE USED IN MID-CLOSE RANGE, its ment to be from long range, just because they can kill you from outside the range of what you cn kiil them in does not mean they should be they should be nerfed so badly. Ill say it again, its the dumb a$$ scrub CoD players that ruined another aspect of this game by whining and crying and b!tching to CCP and they showed they have no damn blls and caved to you scrubs. If CCP wants to keep driving away the players that supported them for close to 3 years they are doing a great job at it. Now your being pathetic, using sniping as an excuse to hide in the redline. If people wanna snipe that's fine. Sniping isn't what's.the issue, it's people who stay in.the redline and then act like their any good because their not just simply...out of sight or range, your all out of bounds, where no matter what.your opponents cannot reach you. I bet if CCP removed the redline more than half of the **** poor shots who call themselves any form of marksman would not snipe. Fly onto a roof, go way out the way into the mountains whatever. But until you leave that redline your just a scrub, no scrubs have the chance to respected because even tho they may suck, god bless them they actually try unlike the "snipers" of this game who simply give up and refuse to leave the starting line.Your not snipers your just bad gamers and bad sports. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 468	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:00:00 - [44] - Quote The New scope range on the Thales magnification is still superior to any of the other scopes magnifications... and Its not as ridiculously close now to where you can't track a target without being in your red line. What I'd rather see us worry about when it comes to snipers is reverting the new sight to the old one. Today I had 4 data confirmed headshots (The 170% bonus showed) target was standing still and I was sniping within about 50% RR range as they were pinging my shields down at about 20 damage a hit, so I know there wasn't a vehicle in the way. These are still standing targets full body visible on a cliff edge. The scope lies about where the shot will land, and thanks to hit detection it would graze the target (I'd see the shield being broken animation) and i'd get a confirmed hit then they would take no damage. And this is again I'll repeat, while they stood completely still and my reading showed a 170% bonus (Headshot bonus on shields.) 2 of the shots were back to back graze misses so I doubt it was a random glitch. The shot was centered on the head, its just from what I can tell the new shots hit anywhere within the circle which means they can randomly miss when the game says it shouldn't. So as you get further away the more likely you are to miss headshots as the heads get smaller then the circle. You can aim center mass on all shots but that's pretty pointless with how much damage a SR does vs. how much e/hp even scouts have these days.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:00:00 - [45] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Its a SNIPRE RIFLE NOT AN ASSAULT RILFE, IT IS NOT MENT TO BE USED IN MID-CLOSE RANGE, its ment to be from long range, just because they can kill you from outside the range of what you cn kiil them in does not mean they should be they should be nerfed so badly. Ill say it again, its the dumb a$$ scrub CoD players that ruined another aspect of this game by whining and crying and b!tching to CCP and they showed they have no damn blls and caved to you scrubs. If CCP wants to keep driving away the players that supported them for close to 3 years they are doing a great job at it. Now your being pathetic, using sniping as an excuse to hide in the redline. If people wanna snipe that's fine. Sniping isn't what's.the issue, it's people who stay in.the redline and then act like their any good because their not just simply...out of sight or range, your all out of bounds, where no matter what.your opponents cannot reach you. I bet if CCP removed the redline more than half of the **** poor shots who call themselves any form of marksman would not snipe. Fly onto a roof, go way out the way into the mountains whatever. But until you leave that redline your just a scrub, no scrubs have the chance to respected because even tho they may suck, god bless them they actually try unlike the "snipers" of this game who simply give up and refuse to leave the starting line.Your not snipers your just bad gamers and bad sports. The weapon has a 600m range. It is supposed to be long range. It's not a marksman rifle. This isn't Call of Doody with run and gun quick scope sniping. I invested exactly the same amount of sp in my sniper rifle as you did in your ar or cr or rr or scr so I'm far from a scrub.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 72	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:07:00 - [46] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: 843-Vika wrote: It's an officer weapon, its supposed to be OP, other wise all you have is another prototype weapon, since my charge sniper did the same damage but at a closer distance. A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall. It is. You don't have to charge it.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 642	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:08:00 - [47] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall. Have you ever used either one of them? Before the zoom got nerfed yes the Thale out preformed the Charge because you were able to use it at a much further distance. Now that they both have the same zoom they work just the same except you dont have to charge the Thale Yeah, I career sniped for like six months back in the day. Looks like you yourself understand why the Thale's is vastly superior to the Charge. You don't have to freaking charge it. Pretty sure the Thale's also fires pretty much as fast as a Tac rifle, though I don't have the numbers in front of me. And isn't the clip larger? (Really should write these posts with numbers in front of me, lesson learned.) Are you serious.. Are you serious right now? (you're thinking of a Balac's Sniper Rifle it's a tactical officer variant, meaning no recoil, larger clip size, increased base damage) What is a Thale's? It's an Ishokune Sniper Rifle, with 50% increased damage. (same clip size) (same rate of fire) (same zoom now) Isn't 50% increased damage kind of a lot? Yes and no. Sniper rifles aren't high rate of fire weapons. They're alpha strike weapons. Where a 10% damage increase is not something you're going notice after X seconds of sustained fire. 10% increased damage to an Ishokune is like adding 30 extra damage per bullet. You either kill someone or you don't. Adding 50% damage to a Thale's makes targets that should normally take 3 shots, only require 2. If someone has enough heatlh to survive 1 shot from a Thale's they also fall into the category of only requires 2. All that takes is having around 500hp. That's not hard to do for any suit. Upon release normal store bought sniper rifles would kill light and medium frames in 2 shots. Prototype Sniper Rifles in todays game under perform. This is especially evident in PC. (UNLESS USING A THALE'S) I wasn't aware of this stealth nerf that wasn't reported anywhere.. That's how snipers usually get it though.. A nova knife to the back in the dark of night.. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 642	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:17:00 - [48] - Quote I've probably got about 15 nova knives in my back right now.. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 208	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:19:00 - [49] - Quote HAHAHAHA umm again HAHAHAHA . good no more redline BS get your ass on point like the rest
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:22:00 - [50] - Quote VALCORE72 wrote: HAHAHAHA umm again HAHAHAHA . good no more redline BS get your ass on point like the rest Ill say it again, it has a 600m range, its ment to be used from far long range, this isn't Call of Doody, with run and gun sniping or quick scope sniping.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1306	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:24:00 - [51] - Quote I do not support any changes which further reinforce redline sniping. I'm sorry if that's unfair to the Thale's in comparison to other officer weapons.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1218	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:13:00 - [52] - Quote Don't worry Snipers, this game is headed down a path that will have you quick scoping in no time. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11504	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:17:00 - [53] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: doesn't the thale's have a tactical fire rate and have a 7 round clip? Umm... Lolno? DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 267	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:19:00 - [54] - Quote My longest kill was a 545M using the NT-900. No i wasnt in the redline, I was on a roof. That being said though, if the Thales gets a nerf, i feel an across the board nerf is called for. In addition to being pretty rare as a salvage find, you also have to dump SP into it to use it. So why should only SR users get their SP negated while all the hipfire rifles get to keep their elite versions? To all those who think this in any way fixes "red line sniping" think again. The red line is the last place for people to go once a battle has become a one sided slaughter. Atleast Thales users gives you something to counter snipe once youve redlined the enemy. Take away that, and people will just hide in the redline to run down the clock in bad games. I keep saying that you wont fix the problem if you keep treating the symptoms like they are the problem.
Cass Caul 758	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:01:00 - [55] - Quote longest kill with a sniper rifle was 599m, taken in a PC match of TeamPlayers vs What the Flux, given that What the Flux only existed for 2/3 weeks that would put that down sometime in early August so Uprising 1.3 I think. I got several kills that game in the range of 550-599. It was glorious. Point of fact: I was not in my red-line, my targets were not in their red-line. I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 942	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:15:00 - [56] - Quote To get you fags off the MCC. A little disappointed I'll never see the increased zoom without YouTubing it though. Give me another couple months and I'll have myself a sniper scout. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 784	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:22:00 - [57] - Quote There are no logi lav bpo. The basic unlimited lav was removed due to spamfukkers. Haven't ever used a thales to comment but I have used every other ofc weapon that isn't a sniper. Based on the current statistics the balacs is only slightly better than the duvolle, small dmg and much smaller rof than prior. The gastuns min overheard the same now with the same rof and slightly higher damage. The brn has lower charge time but only slightly and a bit higher damage. The sidearms well... meh. Point being a slight performance increase across the board in areas that count. Sounds like its the same for the thale, slightly higher dmg, rof and range. Not as much as before but still noticeable. Probably not enough to justify the amount of hate and focus Ppl put on them when they see them on deck, but hey I've still seen a few thales users tearing ass in pubs. Biased side note... ** on your sniper rifles anyhow. I'd rather get killed by anything else in this game, and there's a handful of ** I hate getting killed by. Cheers. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 19	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:36:00 - [58] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: HAHAHAHA umm again HAHAHAHA . good no more redline BS get your ass on point like the rest Ill say it again, it has a 600m range, its ment to be used from far long range, this isn't Call of Doody, with run and gun sniping or quick scope sniping. How many times are you going to say the exact same thing? We hear you man but you're way off point. You lose your incredibly OP scope and now this is cod? They didn't change the range of your rifle they just made it so you actually need skill to kill just like in any other role. grow up dude. Garbage Day!
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 231	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:47:00 - [59] - Quote Patrilicus wrote: 843-Vika wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: HAHAHAHA umm again HAHAHAHA . good no more redline BS get your ass on point like the rest Ill say it again, it has a 600m range, its ment to be used from far long range, this isn't Call of Doody, with run and gun sniping or quick scope sniping. How many times are you going to say the exact same thing? We hear you man but you're way off point. You lose your incredibly OP scope and now this is cod? They didn't change the range of your rifle they just made it so you actually need skill to kill just like in any other role. grow up dude. The scopes only work at half the range of the gun, the thale was the only sniper that let us use them at the range the gun was designed for. So how was it right that they force us to use the weapon at half it's range ok to do to us? And i'll stop saying it when people stop complain about redline snipers.
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 19	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:09:00 - [60] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Patrilicus wrote: 843-Vika wrote: VALCORE72 wrote: HAHAHAHA umm again HAHAHAHA . good no more redline BS get your ass on point like the rest Ill say it again, it has a 600m range, its ment to be used from far long range, this isn't Call of Doody, with run and gun sniping or quick scope sniping. How many times are you going to say the exact same thing? We hear you man but you're way off point. You lose your incredibly OP scope and now this is cod? They didn't change the range of your rifle they just made it so you actually need skill to kill just like in any other role. grow up dude. The scopes only work at half the range of the gun, the thale was the only sniper that let us use them at the range the gun was designed for. So how was it right that they force us to use the weapon at half it's range ok to do to us? And i'll stop saying it when people stop complain about redline snipers. Show the numbers to back that up and someone might listen As a career sniper you lose alot of credibility right off the hop b/c snipers, in general, are ***** scrubs. I get it though. I used to snipe all the time with that Thale's, but your issue really should be with redline snipers. They are the ones forcing ccp to nerf scrub snipers banging out 25/1 matches deep in the red with a Thale's. It really is a problem. If there were no red zone, or any way to drastically reduce it in size then I might even back you up on that one. As far as I'm concerned, until that happens, if your opponents still render at 600+m then you'll just have to figure it out. Just repeating the same cod bs (because you ARE wrong) makes you look like a complete idiot Garbage Day!



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