Because redline sniping, because my gastun forgegun no longer deals 3k damage. Because redline snipers abuse them. Remember what happened when people abused the free LAV BPO? Yeah...we need that again here.

It still does a heck of a lot more damage. The zoom scope was incredibly OP. I can still hit stuff at that range with a normal rifle, it's just a lot harder. The further out you are, the harder it should realistically be to hit something. And yeah, it does encourage Thale's users to at least be a bit closer to the redline than they were before.

No it's dust 514 where we hack objectives and pit our skills and tactics against other players to come up with genius ideas to kill each other. And who cares about your scrubby rifle, I bet more people would welcome the gastuns 3k dmg return over any idea of ever buffing sniper rifles. Why should your officer rifle be so OP you can kill people from further than they could see with a sniper of their own?

A Thale's should still be superior to a Charge rifle overall.

I still have logi lav bpo's and, ive only seen a few other people with them.

Out of the weapons you named, how many are used in the redline? That's why

Yeah, I career sniped for like six months back in the day.

Looks like you yourself understand why the Thale's is vastly superior to the Charge. You don't have to freaking charge it. Pretty sure the Thale's also fires pretty much as fast as a Tac rifle, though I don't have the numbers in front of me. And isn't the clip larger? (Really should write these posts with numbers in front of me, lesson learned.)

Charged 321

Thales 355

You do not have to charge up each shot with the Thales

It is superior to every other sniper

What is the problem?

Now your being pathetic, using sniping as an excuse to hide in the redline. If people wanna snipe that's fine. Sniping isn't what's.the issue, it's people who stay in.the redline and then act like their any good because their not just simply...out of sight or range, your all out of bounds, where no matter what.your opponents cannot reach you. I bet if CCP removed the redline more than half of the **** poor shots who call themselves any form of marksman would not snipe. Fly onto a roof, go way out the way into the mountains whatever. But until you leave that redline your just a scrub, no scrubs have the chance to respected because even tho they may suck, god bless them they actually try unlike the "snipers" of this game who simply give up and refuse to leave the starting line.Your not snipers your just bad gamers and bad sports.

HAHAHAHA umm again HAHAHAHA . good no more redline BS
get your ass on point like the rest

How many times are you going to say the exact same thing? We hear you man but you're way off point. You lose your incredibly OP scope and now this is cod? They didn't change the range of your rifle they just made it so you actually need skill to kill just like in any other role. grow up dude.

Show the numbers to back that up and someone might listen
As a career sniper you lose alot of credibility right off the hop b/c snipers, in general, are ***** scrubs.
I get it though. I used to snipe all the time with that Thale's, but your issue really should be with redline snipers. They are the ones forcing ccp to nerf scrub snipers banging out 25/1 matches deep in the red with a Thale's. It really is a problem.
If there were no red zone, or any way to drastically reduce it in size then I might even back you up on that one.
As far as I'm concerned, until that happens, if your opponents still render at 600+m then you'll just have to figure it out.
Just repeating the same cod bs (because you ARE wrong) makes you look like a complete idiot

There is more reward and little to no risk involved with the Thale's if you even compare it with other officer weapons used in the game. Plus, on many occasions people who use it are armor and shield stack up to their eyeballs when using it in some god forsaken place in the redline. Rarely a counter for it (and let's exclude another Thale sniper to counter as a solution). It needed to be tuned down. But sensing you are unsatisfied with what CCP did , it seems you have a better solution....so let's here it.

There is a very simple reason for people complaining about redline snipers.

it is because they do not like snipers.
do not make the mistake of thinking that because it is what they sit behind it is the real and only problem..

I assure you that if the red line was removed, they would then complain about our range until that was nerfed, then they would complain that we are always going into high places until we couldn't get to them anymore, then they would complain that we always set up in positions where we can see them coming, (which is one of the issues with redlines,btw.)
after all of that they would complain that we are quick scoping, and do more damage per bullet than other rifles...
eventually after all of that they would say... snipers are completely useless please get rid of them.

they don't care about the ballistics even though will ask for them.
they will ask for our range to be reduced in order to fix red line snipers even though it would it mean red line snipers were now safe and they could of asked to change the red line mechanics (I actually put threads on here with ideas and nobody was interested-at all).
they will say about how good a sniper is if he doesn't use distances, even though they will say that they don't want us to quick scope.

because their problem is Snipers.

on to the thales, the thales is still the most superior sniper rifle, it performs at the proto level when the proto rifles perform at advanced level.
if you don't believe me take a kalakiota and headsot an amarr pro sentinel. or even a charge, with the first you will need to reload by the time you get close to a kill, with the charge they will be in cover by the time you charge your next shot.

(and honestly you will even struggle with most mediums at proto level.)

people can say about how well it performs at pub, but the thing is it shouldn't be getting wasted on pub matches, at pub level most players use advanced gear, (although running proto seems to be more popular now, but in pc battles everybody is proto.) it is 2 tiers higher than what should need to be used for pubs.

finally on to "career" or "dedicated" snipers, to us things like position are paramount, not because of red lines and safety but because of the way sniping works relying on line of sight much more than other weapons.
even if the red line was completely taken away you would still find me using the same positions i use at the moment (no they are not even mostly in the red line anyway, but some are due to map design.)
which is why sometimes i'm near my enemies red line, sometimes i will go back to a position even if i just died there, (most would say it's stupid to do that, but it has it's uses.)
and it's why back when people qq'd to remove some of the best positions we all said don't do it because it will increase the (at the time small issue) red line sniping.
do not refer to all snipers in the same way because it is not the "snipers" you people have problems with it is the ground runners that try to retire to it.

On the contrary.

In dust, you don't have to kill people to be useful while sniping. Most snipers have this notion that you MUST kill every target that you hit.

Most snipers seem to want to easily kill people who are in proto without taking into consideration that you are sniping from far back with minimal risk and expect to 2 hit kill a 200k+ fit.

In a game like dust, it would be silly to one hit kill a proto with a sniper because we have risk vs reward don't we.

Sniping far back is the absolute minimum risk. How many hits would you consider reasonable in a game with risk vs reward, no bullet drop or travel time?.

I know that sniping can sometimes get very little payouts so dying once can put you in a guaranteed -isk situation but its minimal risk for minimal reward.

In fact the increased reward for your costly sniper is the damage it does.

I have the charged with prof 2 or 3 as well, I have sniped a lot in dust and put the sp into it. I run a charged with damage mods. I plink/ohk people and shoot at the reds who are engaged in combat to aid my teams efforts, snipe uplinks, shoot out ds gunners or at least make the pilot fly off to save his buddy.

Counter sniping goes without saying.

I find that it can be annoying with how much HP people have but you have to respect that their fit costs a lot, they have put a lot of time and isk into what they have and they are down there risking it much more than I am, when I'm sniping.

Another thing that most snipers fail to do in dust is re locate and actually adapt to what is going on. A god sniper will be mobile and will move into different positions relative to what is happening.

Well, that or just fit a high HP suit and sit in a nice spot with cover.

That's just made me think actually, how do you think the other players who try to counter snipe you feel when you simply just duck out the way and regen?.

I'd imagine it'd be something like "wtf the guy won't die and just regens his HP, that's op!"

Your argument. " but I invested all this sp into sniping"

Well the people that you/we'd like to ohk/2 hit kill have also invested a lot and probably a lot more sp into their suits. The ones who are down in the action playing at a very high risk rate just for fun.

The zoom level on the Thales has not been changed, nor have any other stats. I imagine that it looks different though due to the crosshair changing in Hotfix Charlie.

So, In all actual reality, the Thales is now classified as a Prototype sniper with no significant difference other than the damage ?