Spamming. That's it. Spam something enough, and people get tired of it. Tanks are easy to take down individually, and seeing one every other game isn't so bad, but it's not every other game, it's every game outside of standard ambush matches. That, and there's no thrill to killing them anymore. I get more satisfaction out of knifing a proto suit than I do out of RE'ing a tanker, no matter his fit.

You know this? Lol. Then so is every other person who would dare shoot someone's character in this game. HOW DARE THEY? What's good for the gooseGǪ

I swear tanking is the most looked down upon out of all the other specializations so I'm just curious why do ground units hate us so much?

TANKOPHOBIA and the ignorance to understand that a tank is not a problem nor is a tank with a turret that is anything other than a large blaster.

The large blaster was the only problem. More specifically, militia tanks with large blasters are the problem due to ease of spam.

Nip that and tanks are never a problem to infantry. The off handed rail or missile shot that kills one lil' ol' infantry every so few minutes during a match? Please.

The only reason to destroy an enemy tank without a large blaster is to help a team member tanker out or for fun. But, the way TANKOPHOBES talk neither of those options are really the reason why they want to destroy a tank. If they hate tanks then why help a team mate tanker out? Why do it for fun when you hate tanks?

No, it is because they have a disorder.

Better I can prove it! With Just 2 little names.
Spkr4thedead and Takihiro Kakushken (if that's how you spell them)

Look up their posts see how they talk to everyone, see what they wanted tanks to become (for clarification, they wanted overpowered murderhouses on wheels)

Taki wanted gunnlogis to passively repair through all damage.
Spkr wanted armour to be able to reach installation levels of eHP and still have hardeners and reppers.

They and numerous other tankers, wanted it to take 3-4 people running PROTO AV to take a STD HAV with STD mods.
It's not difficult to see why people hate tankers, people like those 2 have given them a bad name.

You rarely see a tank, covering his infantry, providing suppression or anything like that, it's always the same.
Rush In, Kill Everybody, Rinse, Repeat. Their is no comradeship from tankers, I've seen more in blueberries for crying out loud.

I've seen blueberries with mlt gear form honour guards for AVers, I've seen a Heavy and Logi whom have never meet turn into a 2-man meat grinder. I've had dropships kill a cloaked scout who was sneaking up on me. I've cleared entire rooves of enemy uplinks so my team can continue to hold there ground.

But from tanks, you usually only ever see the same thing, if friendly fore was on, their would be more infantry deaths from being run over by a blue tank, than in combat. I've seen tankers purposefully steer into friendly LAV's just to blow them up, I've seen them roll over parked vehicles just to get a better shot. I've even seen them shoot at friendly dropships because the pilot got the kill.

Their is nothing wrong with the current balance of tanks right now, they aren't invincible, but they aren't easy to kill, they can take just 1 man, but the tank has time to retreat. Their is nothing wrong with the tanks themselves, but the people that drive (most of them anyway) could do with an attitude change towards their fellow players.

Better I can prove it! With Just 2 little names.
Spkr4thedead and Takihiro Kakushken (if that's how you spell them)

Look up their posts see how they talk to everyone, see what they wanted tanks to become (for clarification, they wanted overpowered murderhouses on wheels)

Taki wanted gunnlogis to passively repair through all damage.
Spkr wanted armour to be able to reach installation levels of eHP and still have hardeners and reppers.

They and numerous other tankers, wanted it to take 3-4 people running PROTO AV to take a STD HAV with STD mods.
It's not difficult to see why people hate tankers, people like those 2 have given them a bad name.

You rarely see a tank, covering his infantry, providing suppression or anything like that, it's always the same.
Rush In, Kill Everybody, Rinse, Repeat. Their is no comradeship from tankers, I've seen more in blueberries for crying out loud.

I've seen blueberries with mlt gear form honour guards for AVers, I've seen a Heavy and Logi whom have never meet turn into a 2-man meat grinder. I've had dropships kill a cloaked scout who was sneaking up on me. I've cleared entire rooves of enemy uplinks so my team can continue to hold there ground.

But from tanks, you usually only ever see the same thing, if friendly fore was on, their would be more infantry deaths from being run over by a blue tank, than in combat. I've seen tankers purposefully steer into friendly LAV's just to blow them up, I've seen them roll over parked vehicles just to get a better shot. I've even seen them shoot at friendly dropships because the pilot got the kill.

Their is nothing wrong with the current balance of tanks right now, they aren't invincible, but they aren't easy to kill, they can take just 1 man, but the tank has time to retreat. Their is nothing wrong with the tanks themselves, but the people that drive (most of them anyway) could do with an attitude change towards their fellow players.

duna made me hate all tankers

People hate HAVs as others do assault dropships and others scouts because they don't provide much of a team oriented role and are just used for the sole task of killing infantry. Not everyone uses them for strategic or team-based reasons, which kind of makes matches go stale in certain circumstances. Even if we could fight against tanks no one wants to waste their time or risk dying in a match just to kill off a HAV or shoo away the rest. If these were used for more noble intentions (I do love seeing my tanks give birth to my entire team because of the mobile CRU) people wouldn't bother about it.

Because tanks are inherently broken as a design in this game. In many ways, tankers have a complete disconnect with the trials and troubles other players experience, because the balance difference is just that huge. The way tanks are currently balanced, one player can pay a mediocre amount to be vastly superior to every other player on the field. This creates a huge imbalance in game design.

Realistically, tanks would be a more feasible mechanic if they required three people to use them effectively. Solo tanking is a blight on the game. /personalopinionrant

But there is also a lot to be said about how this ties in with map design. Most maps are designed in such a way that allows vehicles to basically stomp around and dominate 90% of the map. One success in countering this is the Research Facility socket, where players can avoid vehicles about 80% of the time, and the influence of vehicles is far more reasonable. I wont disagree that the way vehicles are handled is not correct, but you shouldn't assume that's the only factor at work.

For example, as I've stated before Commandos are exceptionally useful because they can run AV and AP at the same time. I guarentee you that if Assaults had 2 light weapons, 90% of the the complaints about vehicles would go out the window, because people can still play against infantry, but also have the ability to deal with vehicles at the same time. Trust me, I run both Commando and HAV, and if I knew that 50+% of the infantry on the field had a swarm launcher or plasma cannon as their second weapon, I'd be far more terrified in rolling around like I own the place.

I never understood why people don't like Mobile CRUs, I'll run one in a LAV circling the objective, HAV with plenty of terrain cover near the objective, or just have a dropship hovering above the objective. And, i'll get one spawn in every 3 minutes. Meanwhile they spawn on the nearby uplinks set out in the open to die over and over again or just spawn at a far off CRU/our spawn.

I've always wanted to have a squad of paratroopers that wait to drop in on targets at the same time while I just circle to different objectives/pick them up as we go from skirmish objective to objective. i mean nothing but other dropships can touch you hovering in the stratosphere. You could just have a 6 man team of hell jumpers loading up and para dropping at the same time on objectives.

"C'mon, spawn in my dropship it's hovering right above the objective!"

"lulnope"
"Screw you I'm flying my air whale to some place that needs me"

It's weird because players will spam on uplinks that require them to jump down and deploy inertia dampeners anyways, even when its a bad idea and they will just get lit up when they hit the ground. But a Mobile CRU? Nope, never happens.

To be fair, infantry do have some advantages that a vehicle can't replicate, such as fitting into small spaces with cover or reaching an elevated position. Using these advantages is typically the best way to counter tanks, but most people run around on the ground which is the tank's natural territory, and complain when it doesn't work.

It's kinda like running towards a sniper in an open field with a shotgun in your hand and complaining that you can't win.

Yeah but like with the case of the research facility tanks are pretty well useless, there isn't much use of them around there other than to get RE'd and av/PLC/Swarmed to death. Personally I think research facility is a socket that tanks should never enter and should stick to the outside objectives on skirmish or just not spawn tanks on domination. If more maps were like research facility than tanks would just be worse off. Imo, vehicle vs. av is in a good place right now and shouldn't be tampered with, but that's just me.

It may be that not enough people know of the existence of Mobile CRU's because they don't provide points.
If they did I bet you people would be in love with it.

I don't think many complain about not being able to kill tanks anymore, the question is why do we hate them and those who drive them. My hatred came about in 1.7 when tanks were very hard to kill and very good at killing. Many tankers thought this was the state it should be and that one tanker character should have more power than 2 or 3 other characters. So we have an extremely OP fit and the failure to admit it and illogical arguments fueling my hatred.

Tanks and Pythons are still given too many advantages to be balanced but I am fine with it and prefer that the xurrent balance is maintained. My sole complaint is that vehicle users get two fittings for one life, their vehicle and the pilot. It is the lowliest, scrubbiest tactic to jump out of your tank to kill someone and it is not fair nor should it be allowed.

Risk= reward. Yes having a proper suit fit as well as say a tank is harsh, but how much isk is all piled into that one life? What if the driver jumps out and gets killed, what if while he is out the tank then is.destroyed? Now their.just a guy in the open waiting to get shot.

I swear tanking is the most looked down upon out of all the other specializations so I'm just curious why do ground units hate us so much?

Think the issue is, no team spawn wp reward. And they never used to be so good, they only allowed spawns to fill seats where as now you spawn around the vehicle.

Cost is roughly the same as a proto suit, but there are only 3 weapons (plus 1 grenade) that can hurt it. It has over 4,000 HP (on a ****** setup).

So, you have 4 times the average HP as a proto suit, cost the same as a proto suit and you do 10x's more damage than any weapon in the game. Most (Missiles and rails) can one shot you. And to top it off, your speed is 2-3 times faster than any of the fastest scout. Plus, people can jump out of their armored vehicles when someone is trying to get close to it and mow them down with an HMG if they so desired.

When you ask why people hate tanks, take into consideration the amount of overpowered advantage they provide. Then you can make a rational and logical assumption (or factual thought, your choice) as to the answer of your question.

I don't think many complain about not being able to kill tanks anymore, the question is why do we hate them and those who drive them. My hatred came about in 1.7 when tanks were very hard to kill and very good at killing. Many tankers thought this was the state it should be and that one tanker character should have more power than 2 or 3 other characters. So we have an extremely OP fit and the failure to admit it and illogical arguments fueling my hatred.

Tanks and Pythons are still given too many advantages to be balanced but I am fine with it and prefer that the xurrent balance is maintained. My sole complaint is that vehicle users get two fittings for one life, their vehicle and the pilot. It is the lowliest, scrubbiest tactic to jump out of your tank to kill someone and it is not fair nor should it be allowed.

Cost is roughly the same as a proto suit, but there are only 3 weapons (plus 1 grenade) that can hurt it. It has over 4,000 HP (on a ****** setup).

So, you have 4 times the average HP as a proto suit, cost the same as a proto suit and you do 10x's more damage than any weapon in the game. Most (Missiles and rails) can one shot you. And to top it off, your speed is 2-3 times faster than any of the fastest scout. Plus, people can jump out of their armored vehicles when someone is trying to get close to it and mow them down with an HMG if they so desired.

When you ask why people hate tanks, take into consideration the amount of overpowered advantage they provide. Then you can make a rational and logical assumption (or factual thought, your choice) as to the answer of your question.

Been here since open beta, the non rendering swarms was a real issue yes but damn near everything else tankers complained about wasnt but they kept it up for more than half a year and CCP caved and Im sure we all know what happened when 2 of 3 viable AV measures got nerfed to hell