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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 534	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:10:00 - [1] - Quote we've tried it at 5k WP and its just not working out.. how about we try it at 4k and see if its any better.. for a squad of 6 @4k that would be liek 633 WP each.. thats 200wp less each not much but itll make a bigger difference i think [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apocalyptic Destroyer RestlessSpirits 85	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:12:00 - [2] - Quote It's fine as is. ~R1P
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 534	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote i disagree, battles seem alot more dull and boring with maybe 1-2 orbitals a match that extra 200WP save going from 5k to 4k could be like 1/2 the way to a 3rd orbital so its not that much of a buff/nerf when compaired to the old 2500 WP OBs which rained hell on earth [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 446	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:37:00 - [4] - Quote Non experienced players will think its cool...until FGs snipe them from unreachable heights by foot. Then the story will change. Yes, 5000 WPs for a Warbarge Strike is not good.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3215	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:38:00 - [5] - Quote It's fine as is.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 188	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:47:00 - [6] - Quote Orbitals are scrub status like cloaked scouts, they are free kills that you can't get revived from, ez mode and easily abused (heavy take damage in doorway pls with 3 logi on you). 5k is legit now. And more peeps are rolling out the better suits.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 537	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:49:00 - [7] - Quote hold that wrote: Orbitals are scrub status like cloaked scouts, they are free kills that you can't get revived from, ez mode and easily abused (heavy take damage in doorway pls with 3 logi on you). 5k is legit now. And more peeps are rolling out the better suits. orbitals can fail hard too.. iv seen/experienced orbitals that kill no one at all [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 280	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:49:00 - [8] - Quote Its easy with logis and point whoring off of heavies. Why?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 280	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:51:00 - [9] - Quote hold that wrote: Orbitals are scrub status like cloaked scouts, they are free kills that you can't get revived from, ez mode and easily abused (heavy take damage in doorway pls with 3 logi on you). 5k is legit now. And more peeps are rolling out the better suits. Sorry my squad leads kill you with orbitals while i camp an upink with wi cloaked shotty scout waiting for you to spawn. Oh wait im not. Why?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 538	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:53:00 - [10] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Its easy with logis and point whoring off of heavies. not really as there is the HARD cap for Points per minute on rep tool.. which i feel needs to be raised now Orbitals are 5k :/ and still need to be raised if they are lowered to 4k and let us not forget the impending WP nerf for mil, std and adv injectors.. only proto gets 15 more points the current [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 538	Posted - 2014.08.17 06:56:00 - [11] - Quote Perhaps give us back the ability to drop Small installations/supply depos for War-Points that was its a strategic desition weather or not to get a few kills now.. or get a supply depo to keep your guys supplied in the battlefield as well as lowering orbital cost to 4k [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 287	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:11:00 - [12] - Quote Orbital spam was a bad thing, now you actually have to work as a team to get in there rather than run around getting war points so you can blow everything to hell 3 times in a row and walk into the objective... Seriously you all bitched about vehicles being able to blow you all to hell without being "easily" stopped, but an orbital is much easier and can only be avoided if you're in the right place at the right time.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3180	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:13:00 - [13] - Quote 4k seems better... Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 344	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:14:00 - [14] - Quote As a almost completely solo player... I will now only get them once a month instead of every day. Lonewolf till I die
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 540	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:15:00 - [15] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Orbital spam was a bad thing, now you actually have to work as a team to get in there rather than run around getting war points so you can blow everything to hell 3 times in a row and walk into the objective... Seriously you all bitched about vehicles being able to blow you all to hell without being "easily" stopped, but an orbital is much easier and can only be avoided if you're in the right place at the right time. well the differance for a full team is only 200 points per person from 833 down to 633 each for an orbital yes it would mean more orbitals but still like 80% less then when it was 2500wp [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
1913 DfLo MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 0	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:15:00 - [16] - Quote I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 540	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:21:00 - [17] - Quote 5k WP was just overkill.. there is like NO orbitals at all now really except maybe 2 tops in domination.. goign form 5000 to 4000 isnt as bad as people are makeing it out to be.. OLD 2500WP / 6 = 416WP each they came Too thick and fast NEW 5000WP / 6 = 833WP each they come maybe once or twice.. at most 3 times total only in an entire match (domination) dont think i have seen them in Amboosh and maybe only 1 in Skirmish. Proposed 4000 / 6 = 666WP each. number of the beast! i think this will be a nice balance between old and new id guess maybe 4 to 5 orbitals in a long Domination. maybe the odd 1 perhaps 2 in amboosh.. and perhaps 2 to 3 in skirmish edit. adding this to OP [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 540	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:23:00 - [18] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. 3000 is still easly soloable for logi in domination.. at 4k its out of reach but still do-able with maybe 3+ people.. where as 5k seems to leave it exclusively for FULL squads only [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 914	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:29:00 - [19] - Quote I don't like it. Basically I don't trust my 5 man squad to pull their weight. All I know is I'm already missing getting MORE THAN ONE OB in a pub... *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 540	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:33:00 - [20] - Quote bamboo x wrote: I don't like it. Basically I don't trust my 5 man squad to pull their weight. All I know is I'm already missing getting MORE THAN ONE OB in a pub... join some chat channels get to know some experienced peeps who can at least pull their weight and squad up.. and make sure squad commander knows when y'all got enough WP to drop the BOMB as iv hot-dropped into pubbie squads to put my points to use and some instances we've had enough points to drop like 2 or 3 orbitals but havnt dropped a single one. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2718	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:37:00 - [21] - Quote I'm inclined to agree with the OP, and the 4000 number. Orbitals do help teams push back and thin numbers for a counter attack. it SEEMS, and this is only an initial impression, that I'm seeing more one sided matches. Orbitals while used by the winners to pound the losers are also very useful for trying to get back in the game. I'd support 4000, if the community support it. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 541	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:38:00 - [22] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I'm inclined tp agree with the OP, and the 4000 number. Orbitals do help teams push back and thin numbers for a counter attack. it SEEMS, and this is only an initial impression, that I'm seeing more one sided matches. Orbitals while used by the winners to pound the losers are also very useful for trying to get back in the game. I'd support 4000, if the community support it. WOO CPM support /prostrate ps. i agree.. orbitals were useful for the losers to stay in the game, as of Charlie and WP cost increase i have seen perhaps an increase in Redlining if there is a competent squad on 1 team and not on the other.. i recall loseing team orbitals being used to Route an enemy bulwark so the losers could push in Cap and fight Tooth n nail to claw back MCC HP and even sometimes win. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:40:00 - [23] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. So its out of reach of bad squads? Sounds like ITS FINE AS IS.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 288	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:41:00 - [24] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. 3000 is still easly soloable for logi in domination.. at 4k its out of reach but still do-able with maybe 3+ people.. where as 5k seems to leave it exclusively for FULL squads only 2.5k each is easy enough for a lot of 2 man squads... If you're not good enough to get a few war-points without repping a fat guy the whole match, then that's your problem... Half a squad can still get 1 orbital, now if your team has 4 squads that's a chance of 4 orbitals, which is borderline too many. The orbital is an "oh **" button... You ** up you get a do-over and clear an area... If the whole match is full of spam again, it gets boring again and we'll have even more than the current amount of afk matches.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 541	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:43:00 - [25] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. So its out of reach of bad squads? Sounds like ITS FINE AS IS. i disagree there has been such a scarcity of orbitals since charlie unless you have a full squad of Vets.. the proposed points change could bring them back but not as frequent as 2500 points but still in the range for non vet squads too [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 541	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:47:00 - [26] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. 3000 is still easly soloable for logi in domination.. at 4k its out of reach but still do-able with maybe 3+ people.. where as 5k seems to leave it exclusively for FULL squads only 2.5k each is easy enough for a lot of 2 man squads... If you're not good enough to get a few war-points without repping a fat guy the whole match, then that's your problem... Half a squad can still get 1 orbital, now if your team has 4 squads that's a chance of 4 orbitals, which is borderline too many. The orbital is an "oh **" button... You up you get a do-over and clear an area... If the whole match is full of spam again, it gets boring again and we'll have even more than the current amount of afk matches. my WP gain is not in question but due to the lack of logi lately and the massive WP cost Hike orbitals they are just soo rare.. i do think they were too frequant at 2500 points but then the losers could atleast make an adiquate push against the winners.. while now only the Pros and vet squads seem to only use orbitals to basically stamp on our metaphorical faces after they have given us a good beating and kicking already. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah**
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:49:00 - [27] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I'm inclined to agree with the OP, and the 4000 number. Orbitals do help teams push back and thin numbers for a counter attack. it SEEMS, and this is only an initial impression, that I'm seeing more one sided matches. Orbitals while used by the winners to pound the losers are also very useful for trying to get back in the game. I'd support 4000, if the community support it. Comeback mechanics are bad, it's effectively telling players that its OK to be terrible because the developers will hold your hand through everything. Mercy of death mechanics are good, however. I can easily get 2000+ WP on my own in a skirmish, and I'm not even a logi. Assuming everyone in my squad is equally competent that's 3 orbitals in a single match for one squad for a 4K drop. I'm not even OK with the orbital as it is, nobody appreciates having some bullshit dropped on their head that they can't do anything about and having to pay isk out of their own pocket as a result. I do approve of orbitals in FW and PC on the other hand, as the capsuleer is actually risking something and something CAN be done about him. In pubs, its stupid. Finally, the reason you see more one-sided matches are because PC is worthless and all the good players who refused pubs are now left with no choice but to crash into pubs. Your predecessor Kane turned off the isk faucet, so now the public gets to pay the price until CCP fixes the situation. Starve a dog and he will bite.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2718	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:51:00 - [28] - Quote In Bravo they were just too frequent. People were losing very ISK costly suits early in a match at a point where teams were engaged in a fun and engaging gun fight. At that stage of a match we are playing the FPS part of the game. matching our gun game against each other, using our good gear and for the vast majority proto is limited to one or two suits a game. Orbitals that easy to obtain stopped the first clash, which is often the most exciting one. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2718	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:53:00 - [29] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I can easily get 2000+ WP on my own in a skirmish, and I'm not even a logi. Assuming everyone in my squad is equally competent. Would you say you are a below average player, a very good player or an average player? Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 542	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:55:00 - [30] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: In Bravo they were just too frequent. People were losing very ISK costly suits early in a match at a point where teams were engaged in a fun and engaging gun fight. At that stage of a match we are playing the FPS part of the game. matching our gun game against each other, using our good gear and for the vast majority proto is limited to one or two suits a game. Orbitals that easy to obtain stopped the first clash, which is often the most exciting one. that i agree with but now.. at 5k wp it just seems gungame is all there is now aside the odd everyone and their mother switching to av to kill the rare tank or ADS. as for Logi we cannot even afford to lose 1 proto suit as it costs more then we can get isk wise at the end (Hint hint delta cough ) but then again its all the more reason to farm isk and LP shrug [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 449	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:55:00 - [31] - Quote Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal.
Michael Arck 5249	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:58:00 - [32] - Quote Needs to be lowered. 5000 is just too much for an orbital. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.08.17 07:59:00 - [33] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I can easily get 2000+ WP on my own in a skirmish, and I'm not even a logi. Assuming everyone in my squad is equally competent. Would you say you are a below average player, a very good player or an average player? I would say I am a solid player a bit shy of absolute top tier. I would also say that less skilled players generally partake in activities which earn more WP than I do, so it's a fairly moot point. It's only the absolute worst kind of players who earn nothing on a regular basis, and I'm not really convinced a game should ever be balanced for a lack of skill. That's effectively damning your game to the pits of mediocrity forever.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:00:00 - [34] - Quote i also feel that lowering WP cost by 1000 to 4000 will make orbitals be a little more often then they are now and seeing a few orbitals per match can help players recognize the signs.. for when they go to FW and there is most likely going to be an orbital dropped EVERY 3 minutes [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:04:00 - [35] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal. I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:05:00 - [36] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: In Bravo they were just too frequent. People were losing very ISK costly suits early in a match at a point where teams were engaged in a fun and engaging gun fight. At that stage of a match we are playing the FPS part of the game. matching our gun game against each other, using our good gear and for the vast majority proto is limited to one or two suits a game. Orbitals that easy to obtain stopped the first clash, which is often the most exciting one. i as a logi also love when "meat-grinders" happen when both sides are locked in slaughter and im trying my hardest to perform the 5 R's of the Logistic Edict. gives me reason to play logi more then just spawn.. drop uplinks.. follow a fatman with rep tool for like 5 mins for maybe 2 or 3 kill assists all the while Lamenting the cap on WP per minute on reptools.. i slightly agree with the cap but with orbitals costing 5k maybe the cap could be increased somewhat.. or if it gets lowered to 4k maybe just a slight increase to the cap. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2721	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:06:00 - [37] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent. I've read all your post here, and the others. Your position is clear. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:07:00 - [38] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal. I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent. which i "believe" i am by saying 5k points is just too much most of the time except for Proto and vets in full squad of 6.. 4k points dosnt seem all too bad.. gives the losers maybe one perhaps two orbitals to try push against the winners.. while the experanced vets/protos will maybe get 1 or 2 more aswell thats just how the cookie crumbles [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:11:00 - [39] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent. I've read all your posts here, and the other posters too. Your position is clear. tbh sounds like himiko is slightly bitter-vet-elitist when it comes to orbitals <,<; but does have a valid point.. and that is why the cost was raised to 5k.. which i think was too much of a raise.. even before charlie came out i replied to the patchnot thread and stated 3500-4000WP NOT 5k we have had charlie near a week now? and my experiance has gone from.. exciting battles with perhaps too meny orbitals to mediocre battles with sometimes no orbitals at all [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 124	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:12:00 - [40] - Quote I always thought there should be a cost to orbitals. 9 times out of 10 an OB helps the winning team get further ahead and reduces the chance of the losing team changing the tide. What if an OB cost the squad 1000 wp? The winning team could choose to not deploy and keep the wp or drop to help cement victory - the loosing team would be more likely to make the wp sacrifice to get back in the game. The 1000 wp cost is based on a 5000 wp OB - it could be less if an OB was reduced to 4000 - it's the risk / reward concept for OBs that I'm proposing - it won't change PC matches but may help to balance pubs a little better.

CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1150	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:17:00 - [41] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. So its out of reach of bad squads? Sounds like ITS FINE AS IS. i disagree there has been such a scarcity of orbitals since charlie unless you have a full squad of Vets.. the proposed points change could bring them back but not as frequent as 2500 points but still in the range for non vet squads too the OBs are still pretty easy to get now. it was changed so EVE support was more important in PC. i feel something as power as a OB should be something you have to work hard to obtain. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:18:00 - [42] - Quote Foo Fighting wrote: I always thought there should be a cost to orbitals. 9 times out of 10 an OB helps the winning team get further ahead and reduces the chance of the losing team changing the tide. What if an OB cost the squad 1000 wp? The winning team could choose to not deploy and keep the wp or drop to help cement victory - the loosing team would be more likely to make the wp sacrifice to get back in the game. The 1000 wp cost is based on a 5000 wp OB - it could be less if an OB was reduced to 4000 - it's the risk / reward concept for OBs that I'm proposing - it won't change PC matches but may help to balance pubs a little better. i dont think the code will allow increaseing increments for OB deployment although i do like that idea BUT it would kill the gungame at the start of the round more so then 2500WP cost did.. whereas the 5k WP cost means the losers hardly have a chance to push back as beign on the loseing side there is usually a massive points difference between the top 6 winners and top6 losers and usually the losers wont accumulate enough in time.. and that is if the top 6 are all in the same squad.. most of the time there is a rank spread/point spread differance within a squad play situation of its members [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 193	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:18:00 - [43] - Quote OBs should be rare. Keep as is. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:19:00 - [44] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: I would say 3000 at most or back to 2500. 5000 is out of reach for alot of squads that are not running heavy or have a dropship and/or tanks. So its out of reach of bad squads? Sounds like ITS FINE AS IS. i disagree there has been such a scarcity of orbitals since charlie unless you have a full squad of Vets.. the proposed points change could bring them back but not as frequent as 2500 points but still in the range for non vet squads too the OBs are still pretty easy to get now. it was changed so EVE support was more important in PC. i feel something as power as a OB should be something you have to work hard to obtain. im talking normal matchmakeing.. not FW(every 3 minutes a player can drop one) or PC (no idea of the OB mechanics in there) [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:19:00 - [45] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal. I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent. which i "believe" i am by saying 5k points is just too much most of the time except for Proto and vets in full squad of 6.. 4k points dosnt seem all too bad.. gives the losers maybe one perhaps two orbitals to try push against the winners.. while the experanced vets/protos will maybe get 1 or 2 more aswell thats just how the cookie crumbles Or you could just let the losers do what they do best and lose. A sense of urgency is a healthy thing for a game. Especially when its full of bad players like Dust is who can't tell their heads from their asses. Urgency points them in the right direction because they are too dumb to figure it out themselves. Good game design helps stupid people act like smart people even though they will always be stupid. Constant orbital's isn't good game design. They should be a rare, rare thing. The fact that we're even talking about a squad getting multiple orbitals as the norm is a terrible thing. It's not a "game changer" if the game keeps changing every two minutes.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:20:00 - [46] - Quote Will Driver wrote: OBs should be rare. Keep as is. i would disagree.. not as frequant as bravo.. but not as rare as charlie.. thus my proposed WP cost change to 4000 [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:21:00 - [47] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal. I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent. which i "believe" i am by saying 5k points is just too much most of the time except for Proto and vets in full squad of 6.. 4k points dosnt seem all too bad.. gives the losers maybe one perhaps two orbitals to try push against the winners.. while the experanced vets/protos will maybe get 1 or 2 more aswell thats just how the cookie crumbles Or you could just let the losers do what they do best and lose. A sense of urgency is a healthy thing for a game. Especially when its full of bad players like Dust is who can't tell their heads from their asses. Urgency points them in the right direction because they are too dumb to figure it out themselves. Good game design helps stupid people act like smart people even though they will always be stupid. Constant orbital's isn't good game design. They should be a rare, rare thing. The fact that we're even talking about a squad getting multiple orbitals as the norm is a terrible thing. It's not a "game changer" if the game keeps changing every two minutes. a sence of urgency dosnt help at all when any sort of push will be squashed by Orbitals then followed by camping the uplinks cause the winners have a bloodlust going on. a slight lower post cost is so even the losers can have acess to maybe 1 orbital in a round.. which risk vs reward could/should be used wisely [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4685	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:26:00 - [48] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal. I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent. which i "believe" i am by saying 5k points is just too much most of the time except for Proto and vets in full squad of 6.. 4k points dosnt seem all too bad.. gives the losers maybe one perhaps two orbitals to try push against the winners.. while the experanced vets/protos will maybe get 1 or 2 more aswell thats just how the cookie crumbles Or you could just let the losers do what they do best and lose. A sense of urgency is a healthy thing for a game. Especially when its full of bad players like Dust is who can't tell their heads from their asses. Urgency points them in the right direction because they are too dumb to figure it out themselves. Good game design helps stupid people act like smart people even though they will always be stupid. Constant orbital's isn't good game design. They should be a rare, rare thing. The fact that we're even talking about a squad getting multiple orbitals as the norm is a terrible thing. It's not a "game changer" if the game keeps changing every two minutes. a sence of urgency dosnt help at all when any sort of push will be squashed by Orbitals then followed by camping the uplinks cause the winners have a bloodlust going on. a slight lower post cost is so even the losers can have acess to maybe 1 orbital in a round.. which risk vs reward could/should be used wisely Having more orbitals doesn't make the game any more tactical. It just creates a "reset" button because things didn't go your way. You're giving the winners more orbitals too, you know. How do you think that's going to play out? Especially at the red line?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:40:00 - [49] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Having more orbitals doesn't make the game any more tactical. It just creates a "reset" button because things didn't go your way. You're giving the winners more orbitals too, you know. How do you think that's going to play out? Especially at the red line? or it helps the losers atleast push back against the winners so atleast a bit of a good fight is had by both.. and even at 4k WP itll be a hard thing to do.. more so then the dark times of PRE-Charlie at 2500 [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
The Eristic Dust 90210 616	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:54:00 - [50] - Quote 5k is ok for 6-man squads. Not so ok for less than that. Prorate the WP requirement based on squad size. Also, make pub OBs EMP! Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 545	Posted - 2014.08.17 09:00:00 - [51] - Quote The Eristic wrote: 5k is ok for 6-man squads. Not so ok for less than that. Prorate the WP requirement based on squad size. Also, make pub OBs EMP! hmm 5k is ok for vet 6-man squads who can pull the points but not average players.. EMP orbitals wouldnt work.. and would require client side update i think. as for WP scaleing with squad size.. that is just goign backwards as im guessing yoru diea is like 1k per person in a squad of 6 right? while its -1k for each empty spot in a squad.. so you would have a full team of people running around in 1 man squads [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 289	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:14:00 - [52] - Quote How about at the start of a match or on the barge, you vote for 1 guy in the whole team who drops the OB's... If no one votes it goes to whoevers name happens to be at the top of the list... Now the OB's aren't based on squads or squad sizes... & even the annoying blueberry with no idea what he's doing is contributing. With this, is the only way to balance OB's, because everyone bitches about their squad not being big enough to farm them... Also no war points will be given by the use of the OB, so it becomes more strategic instead of a quick cash grab for the guy who drops them all. Or heck since the 6 man squad will still get the OB's due to most votes, make it first come first serve, once the "OB is ready" message pops up, everyone stops what they're doing to try and spam it on something. It's not a good idea to claim OB's as a way back into the match for a losing team, because the winning team will also gain the benefit... If you make vehicles more viable again, they can clear the rooftops, you don't need to blast the lone forge gunner with an OB every 2 minutes.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4686	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:23:00 - [53] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: How about at the start of a match or on the barge, you vote for 1 guy in the whole team who drops the OB's... If no one votes it goes to whoevers name happens to be at the top of the list... Now the OB's aren't based on squads or squad sizes... & even the annoying blueberry with no idea what he's doing is contributing. With this, is the only way to balance OB's, because everyone bitches about their squad not being big enough to farm them... Also no war points will be given by the use of the OB, so it becomes more strategic instead of a quick cash grab for the guy who drops them all. Or heck since the 6 man squad will still get the OB's due to most votes, make it first come first serve, once the "OB is ready" message pops up, everyone stops what they're doing to try and spam it on something. It's not a good idea to claim OB's as a way back into the match for a losing team, because the winning team will also gain the benefit... If you make vehicles more viable again, they can clear the rooftops, you don't need to blast the lone forge gunner with an OB every 2 minutes. You're talking about Commander mode. That isn't going to happen ever in Dust. If it ever does it will be a Legion thing.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1150	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:35:00 - [54] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Will Driver wrote: OBs should be rare. Keep as is. i would disagree.. not as frequant as bravo.. but not as rare as charlie.. thus my proposed WP cost change to 4000 its great the way it is now were one good squad can drop that important OB to win the match at the end. OBs should be a rare powerful thing and only people that are working hard to win the match should get them. if you cant score 800 WP right now in your squad then your a nublit and gitting a OB is the least of you worries. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
The Eristic Dust 90210 616	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:35:00 - [55] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: The Eristic wrote: 5k is ok for 6-man squads. Not so ok for less than that. Prorate the WP requirement based on squad size. Also, make pub OBs EMP! hmm 5k is ok for vet 6-man squads who can pull the points but not average players.. EMP orbitals wouldnt work.. and would require client side update i think. as for WP scaleing with squad size.. that is just goign backwards as im guessing yoru diea is like 1k per person in a squad of 6 right? while its -1k for each empty spot in a squad.. so you would have a full team of people running around in 1 man squads You shouldn't guess. That is not my idea at all, because 20% would be over the top. However, a reduction of, say, 14% (700 WP) per space might work, making them more attainable without being too much so for the majority of squads. That would break down to: 6 - 5000 or 833/member 5 - 4300 or 860/member vs the current 1000 4 - 3600 or 900/member vs the current 1250 3 - 2900 or 967/member vs the current 1667 2 - 2200 or 1100/member vs the current 2500 1 - 1500 or, well, I hope I don't have to explain this one If you can legitimately get 1500 WP by yourself multiple times over in a match, please, have the orbitals. It happens, but not often. EMP orbitals are already in the game, btw. No client update should be needed. Better for dealing with all the equipment spam, hits through walls to soften up dug-in enemies and would mean the squad would actually have to push after the OB to finish off weakened opponents, rather than waltzing in after the squad leader rakes in all his +50s. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 340	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:46:00 - [56] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Its easy with logis and point whoring off of heavies. not really as there is the HARD cap for Points per minute on rep tool.. which i feel needs to be raised now Orbitals are 5k :/ and still need to be raised if they are lowered to 4k and let us not forget the impending WP nerf for mil, std and adv injectors.. only proto gets 15 more points the current I disagree all you need in a Dom is uplinks nanohives injector and rep tool Put down uplinks as a scout or as a passenger from a ds uplinks done Get down regular hives and rep hives hives done and then just support. Your whole team not just one heavy I find that a bit wrong only help one heavy when there are multiple people that need revives and reps. Unless its a quite game you should have no problem getting over 1000 if you aren't then I don't know what to tell you Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 355	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:48:00 - [57] - Quote Talk about a crutch. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 341	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:51:00 - [58] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Talk about a crutch. And it's been here since closed beta the oldest crutch the ob Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 341	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:57:00 - [59] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Orbital spam was a bad thing, now you actually have to work as a team to get in there rather than run around getting war points so you can blow everything to hell 3 times in a row and walk into the objective... Seriously you all bitched about vehicles being able to blow you all to hell without being "easily" stopped, but an orbital is much easier and can only be avoided if you're in the right place at the right time. well the differance for a full team is only 200 points per person from 833 down to 633 each for an orbital yes it would mean more orbitals but still like 80% less then when it was 2500wp Orbitals shouldn't be easy to get even if it is 1 or 2 that's what you should be getting they shouldn't be kill farms they should be tactical advantages. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3311	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:58:00 - [60] - Quote I'm currently rather happy with the lack of orbitals especially on ambush. However if a team is loosing their WP requirement should temporarily be reduced., They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 292	Posted - 2014.08.17 11:02:00 - [61] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Orbital spam was a bad thing, now you actually have to work as a team to get in there rather than run around getting war points so you can blow everything to hell 3 times in a row and walk into the objective... Seriously you all bitched about vehicles being able to blow you all to hell without being "easily" stopped, but an orbital is much easier and can only be avoided if you're in the right place at the right time. well the differance for a full team is only 200 points per person from 833 down to 633 each for an orbital yes it would mean more orbitals but still like 80% less then when it was 2500wp 200 points per person, per orbital... that's 2 barrages for a mear 1300wp each... 3 for 1900... Most games these "full squads" will be over 2k each (I know because I'm usually in them.) So lets say we have 2 full squads and a few blue's... That's 6 OB's and well you're not coming back into that match with your 1 OB you managed to farm stuck in the redzone. You're not supposed to be able to spam the barrage, or get them on your own.
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1536	Posted - 2014.08.17 11:08:00 - [62] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: hold that wrote: Orbitals are scrub status like cloaked scouts, they are free kills that you can't get revived from, ez mode and easily abused (heavy take damage in doorway pls with 3 logi on you). 5k is legit now. And more peeps are rolling out the better suits. orbitals can fail hard too.. iv seen/experienced orbitals that kill no one at all I am the king of fail orbitals. Just played the dom map with a tower on alpha (fracture road i think it is). Dropped an OB on alpha even tho it never works because it bloody well should work, there is no cover. Have done exactly the same thing on that map maybe 12 times. Do not, repeat do not, make me squad leader.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3831	Posted - 2014.08.17 11:14:00 - [63] - Quote So bad players cant even get 1 OB? lol too bad
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 188	Posted - 2014.08.17 11:19:00 - [64] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Its easy with logis and point whoring off of heavies. not really as there is the HARD cap for Points per minute on rep tool.. which i feel needs to be raised now Orbitals are 5k :/ and still need to be raised if they are lowered to 4k and let us not forget the impending WP nerf for mil, std and adv injectors.. only proto gets 15 more points the current good! wtf is wrong with you, you sound like a 100% scrub
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5193	Posted - 2014.08.17 13:43:00 - [65] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I'm inclined to agree with the OP, and the 4000 number. Orbitals do help teams push back and thin numbers for a counter attack. it SEEMS, and this is only an initial impression, that I'm seeing more one sided matches. Orbitals while used by the winners to pound the losers are also very useful for trying to get back in the game. I'd support 4000, if the community support it. Comeback mechanics are bad, it's effectively telling players that its OK to be terrible because the developers will hold your hand through everything. Mercy of death mechanics are good, however. I can easily get 2000+ WP on my own in a skirmish, and I'm not even a logi. Assuming everyone in my squad is equally competent that's 3 orbitals in a single match for one squad for a 4K drop. I'm not even OK with the orbital as it is, nobody appreciates having some bullshit dropped on their head that they can't do anything about and having to pay isk out of their own pocket as a result. I do approve of orbitals in FW and PC on the other hand, as the capsuleer is actually risking something and something CAN be done about him. In pubs, its stupid. Finally, the reason you see more one-sided matches are because PC is worthless and all the good players who refused pubs are now left with no choice but to crash into pubs. Your predecessor Kane turned off the isk faucet, so now the public gets to pay the price until CCP fixes the situation. Starve a dog and he will bite. Totally agreed. I have been in matches where we have dropped 8-10 OBS, I know of many who have done this, the newbs didnt even get to drop one. Now, its changed to about 2-3, the newbs don't get one but hey, at least its 2-3. Battles also seem to be won over gunplay rather than the inevitable ob now, battles are more dynamic. Sod this lowering ob wp tomfoolery. I also see quite a few players who solo very often in this thread, makes sense. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2278	Posted - 2014.08.17 13:57:00 - [66] - Quote 5000 is fine, well oiled squads can still get them. Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Arcturis Vanguard Murphys-Law 248	Posted - 2014.08.17 16:04:00 - [67] - Quote I am in agreement that 5k wp is a great spot for obs. Before it was far too easy to farm orbitals even in ambushes. Now ambushes are mostly straight up team death matches, domination and skirmish are seeing a few dropped on either side which is positive for both winning and losing teams. Experienced squads will still get at least 2 orbitals for good fights which is not OP and doesn't smash the other side. It's no one's fault but the SL who doesn't put up a defend order and keep it up throughout the match to gain those extra wp to push for that orbital. CCP should not reward poor play and freely hand out instakills. All players should have to work for that instant death bombardment. This is a team based tactical game and should only reward such behavior. There are options available in game to bring in players if your Corp/alliance is short on players. Use the tools available to you to maximize the ability to gain an orbital. Improve your game, please do not try to dumb down the game. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1541	Posted - 2014.08.17 16:52:00 - [68] - Quote Another vote for keeping the 5k limit. My only concern is that it makes it virtually impossible to clear a roof with forges on it. Even with a full squad going hard you'll be waiting half a game for that OB. So it slightly promotes chessiness, especially in domination. Maybe some of the high points could have fences stuck on them or even ladders
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 462	Posted - 2014.08.17 17:20:00 - [69] - Quote 5000WP is fine. Myself and a friend got a 2 man orbital in Ambush. Its not that hard to get for a well oiled squad.Yes, I have noticed a lot more one sided battles (and redlines) but realistically it promotes full squads, teamwork and better abilities. You want to win? Work for it. An OB is not an insta win button. You should only get it if you put the effort into your squad and you and your squad members earn it. I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 3 to go.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 552	Posted - 2014.08.17 18:47:00 - [70] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: 5000 is fine, well oiled squads can still get them. which only limits then to well oiled squads.. who dont need them in the first place if only to curb stomp the losers even more then they already are getting [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 552	Posted - 2014.08.17 18:48:00 - [71] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Orbital spam was a bad thing, now you actually have to work as a team to get in there rather than run around getting war points so you can blow everything to hell 3 times in a row and walk into the objective... Seriously you all bitched about vehicles being able to blow you all to hell without being "easily" stopped, but an orbital is much easier and can only be avoided if you're in the right place at the right time. well the differance for a full team is only 200 points per person from 833 down to 633 each for an orbital yes it would mean more orbitals but still like 80% less then when it was 2500wp 200 points per person, per orbital... that's 2 barrages for a mear 1300wp each... 3 for 1900... Most games these "full squads" will be over 2k each (I know because I'm usually in them.) So lets say we have 2 full squads and a few blue's... That's 6 OB's and well you're not coming back into that match with your 1 OB you managed to farm stuck in the redzone. You're not supposed to be able to spam the barrage, or get them on your own. only in domination will your full squad manage to get 1300+ each [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5202	Posted - 2014.08.17 19:07:00 - [72] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: 5000 is fine, well oiled squads can still get them. which only limits then to well oiled squads.. who dont need them in the first place if only to curb stomp the losers even more then they already are getting They get none anyway, its a case of 'shall we drop 2-3 OBS a match or 6-10?'. "Oh, look!, There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear". "Don't tell me those things".
Apocalyptic Destroyer RestlessSpirits 101	Posted - 2014.08.17 19:13:00 - [73] - Quote We can all agree that Orbitals finally used wisely, like on a letter. Not a sniper or a single tank. It's fine as is. ~R1P
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 388	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:43:00 - [74] - Quote To be honest I like the 5k orbitals. As fun as it is raining hellfire, there was nothing worse than fighting tooth and nail for an objective, just to have everyone nuked once you start hacking. Now the epic battles will be worth the effort with less chance of it counting for nothing. If the general consensus is to lower cost and CCP agrees, 4k seems a fair number. When squads were 4 strong, an OB was 625 each. At 666 per player it keeps that ratio, (very mildly) inflated to account for increased sources of WP.
Senator Snipe Murphys-Law 180	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:50:00 - [75] - Quote everyone who agrees with reduction of WP for orbitals, are all scrubs. My forge skills are unmatchable. It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3419	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:03:00 - [76] - Quote I don't think 4000 is such a horrible number to be reduced to. To me, it seems that keeping it as high as 5000 rewards the stompers more than anything else. Its not like that reduction is going to make all games nothing but OBs... You can always tell a Millford Minja
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 410	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:07:00 - [77] - Quote Senator Snipe wrote: everyone who agrees with reduction of WP for orbitals, are all scrubs. No one cares you're good with thumbsticks you basement dwelling weirdo Saying what's on people's minds
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 343	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:22:00 - [78] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: 5000 is fine, well oiled squads can still get them. which only limits then to well oiled squads.. who dont need them in the first place if only to curb stomp the losers even more then they already are getting If they enhanced the academy there would be no need To help them but if you've been here for 1-2 years then that's your fault CCP shouldn't have to babysit you. This game rewards skill and team work if you have neither than get them. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 555	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:25:00 - [79] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: 5000 is fine, well oiled squads can still get them. which only limits then to well oiled squads.. who dont need them in the first place if only to curb stomp the losers even more then they already are getting If they enhanced the academy there would be no need To help them but if you've been here for 1-2 years then that's your fault CCP shouldn't have to babysit you. This game rewards skill and team work if you have neither than get them. been in eve since like 2008. been in dust since 7 or 8 months so im not one of you bitter vets who think they are entitled. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Toby Flenderson research lab 576	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:31:00 - [80] - Quote If you have people in your squad that can't pull their weight, then just find someone else to fill their spot if orbitals mean that much to you. Orbitals are nice but they should used as a last resort "turn of the tides" type mechanic that allows you to disrupt the enemy momentum IMO. Until now they were basically just like kill streak rewards in COD. Now they are used more strategically because you may not get another one if you mess the first one up. This is working out for the better.

JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 343	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:42:00 - [81] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Derpty Derp wrote: Orbital spam was a bad thing, now you actually have to work as a team to get in there rather than run around getting war points so you can blow everything to hell 3 times in a row and walk into the objective... Seriously you all bitched about vehicles being able to blow you all to hell without being "easily" stopped, but an orbital is much easier and can only be avoided if you're in the right place at the right time. well the differance for a full team is only 200 points per person from 833 down to 633 each for an orbital yes it would mean more orbitals but still like 80% less then when it was 2500wp 200 points per person, per orbital... that's 2 barrages for a mear 1300wp each... 3 for 1900... Most games these "full squads" will be over 2k each (I know because I'm usually in them.) So lets say we have 2 full squads and a few blue's... That's 6 OB's and well you're not coming back into that match with your 1 OB you managed to farm stuck in the redzone. You're not supposed to be able to spam the barrage, or get them on your own. only in domination will your full squad manage to get 1300+ each Our squads on an average get over 1300 you don't need to proto stomp and be heavy/logi for it. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 343	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:53:00 - [82] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: 5000 is fine, well oiled squads can still get them. which only limits then to well oiled squads.. who dont need them in the first place if only to curb stomp the losers even more then they already are getting If they enhanced the academy there would be no need To help them but if you've been here for 1-2 years then that's your fault CCP shouldn't have to babysit you. This game rewards skill and team work if you have neither than get them. been in eve since like 2008. been in dust since 7 or 8 months so im not one of you bitter vets who think they are entitled. I wouldn't even cal myself a vet I regularly try to run adv gear unless stompers come into play. You don't have to be what your describing to get an orb just use tactics and skill Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 178	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:45:00 - [83] - Quote Fine as it is, the games are much more enjoyable with less orbital spamming. In my opinion.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1211	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:59:00 - [84] - Quote My squads still manage to get at least 2 per match. They're fine. Let it be. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11484	Posted - 2014.08.18 01:12:00 - [85] - Quote Will Driver wrote: OBs should be rare. Keep as is. While I do agree that earning a Warbarge Strike every 2-3min was too easy, WBs being too rare can have devastating effect when placed with a group of competent players on a tower. You can use FGs and SLs to ensure that no Dropship ever gets close enough, meaning that there's no counter to anyone who decides to camp with Triage Hives and a Drop Uplink. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 430	Posted - 2014.08.18 01:39:00 - [86] - Quote Fine as is.... To us Darkstar that is.... The masters of the game Master of The Flaylock
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4697	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:48:00 - [87] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Another vote for keeping the 5k limit. My only concern is that it makes it virtually impossible to clear a roof with forges on it. Even with a full squad going hard you'll be waiting half a game for that OB. So it slightly promotes chessiness, especially in domination. Maybe some of the high points could have fences stuck on them or even ladders Oh, it's not impossible. Actually developed a tactic specifically for that situation. Dropship flies up to flight ceiling and drops a guy or two with HMG. You have a remarkable amount of time to adjust your descent path and land on the roof pretty much perfectly if you were even slightly on target. Wait until the last moment to activate your inertia damp and they won't have any time to react. You can even perform this action solo like myself if you are willing to sacrifice a dummy-fit viper.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 213	Posted - 2014.08.18 10:42:00 - [88] - Quote Half these people or more play ambush only. Ignore thread. So tongue in cheek that my tongue is in your mouth.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 565	Posted - 2014.08.18 10:57:00 - [89] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Half these people or more play ambush only. Ignore thread. i much prefer Domination.. and then skirmish.. ambush sucks unless a meatgrinder happens [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Senator Snipe Murphys-Law 183	Posted - 2014.08.18 13:00:00 - [90] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Senator Snipe wrote: everyone who agrees with reduction of WP for orbitals, are all scrubs. No one cares you're good with thumbsticks you basement dwelling weirdo what you mean? My forge skills are unmatchable. It's not that i lose battles, its just that sometimes i don't feel like winning them.



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