Would you say you are a below average player, a very good player or an average player?

Himiko, sometimes you need to come down off your self made pedestal.

In Bravo they were just too frequent. People were losing very ISK costly suits early in a match at a point where teams were engaged in a fun and engaging gun fight. At that stage of a match we are playing the FPS part of the game. matching our gun game against each other, using our good gear and for the vast majority proto is limited to one or two suits a game.

Orbitals that easy to obtain stopped the first clash, which is often the most exciting one.

I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent.

I'll stop being the only one saying anything intelligent when the community decides to say something intelligent.

I've read all your posts here, and the other posters too. Your position is clear.

i disagree there has been such a scarcity of orbitals since charlie unless you have a full squad of Vets.. the proposed points change could bring them back but not as frequent as 2500 points but still in the range for non vet squads too

I always thought there should be a cost to orbitals. 9 times out of 10 an OB helps the winning team get further ahead and reduces the chance of the losing team changing the tide.

What if an OB cost the squad 1000 wp? The winning team could choose to not deploy and keep the wp or drop to help cement victory - the loosing team would be more likely to make the wp sacrifice to get back in the game.

The 1000 wp cost is based on a 5000 wp OB - it could be less if an OB was reduced to 4000 - it's the risk / reward concept for OBs that I'm proposing - it won't change PC matches but may help to balance pubs a little better.

the OBs are still pretty easy to get now. it was changed so EVE support was more important in PC. i feel something as power as a OB should be something you have to work hard to obtain.

which i "believe" i am by saying 5k points is just too much most of the time except for Proto and vets in full squad of 6..
4k points dosnt seem all too bad.. gives the losers maybe one perhaps two orbitals to try push against the winners.. while the experanced vets/protos will maybe get 1 or 2 more aswell thats just how the cookie crumbles

OBs should be rare. Keep as is.

Or you could just let the losers do what they do best and lose.

A sense of urgency is a healthy thing for a game. Especially when its full of bad players like Dust is who can't tell their heads from their asses. Urgency points them in the right direction because they are too dumb to figure it out themselves. Good game design helps stupid people act like smart people even though they will always be stupid.


Constant orbital's isn't good game design. They should be a rare, rare thing. The fact that we're even talking about a squad getting multiple orbitals as the norm is a terrible thing. It's not a "game changer" if the game keeps changing every two minutes.

a sence of urgency dosnt help at all when any sort of push will be squashed by Orbitals then followed by camping the uplinks cause the winners have a bloodlust going on.

a slight lower post cost is so even the losers can have acess to maybe 1 orbital in a round.. which risk vs reward could/should be used wisely

Having more orbitals doesn't make the game any more tactical. It just creates a "reset" button because things didn't go your way. You're giving the winners more orbitals too, you know. How do you think that's going to play out? Especially at the red line?

5k is ok for 6-man squads. Not so ok for less than that. Prorate the WP requirement based on squad size.

Also, make pub OBs EMP!

How about at the start of a match or on the barge, you vote for 1 guy in the whole team who drops the OB's... If no one votes it goes to whoevers name happens to be at the top of the list... Now the OB's aren't based on squads or squad sizes... & even the annoying blueberry with no idea what he's doing is contributing.

With this, is the only way to balance OB's, because everyone bitches about their squad not being big enough to farm them... Also no war points will be given by the use of the OB, so it becomes more strategic instead of a quick cash grab for the guy who drops them all.

Or heck since the 6 man squad will still get the OB's due to most votes, make it first come first serve, once the "OB is ready" message pops up, everyone stops what they're doing to try and spam it on something.

It's not a good idea to claim OB's as a way back into the match for a losing team, because the winning team will also gain the benefit... If you make vehicles more viable again, they can clear the rooftops, you don't need to blast the lone forge gunner with an OB every 2 minutes.

i would disagree.. not as frequant as bravo.. but not as rare as charlie.. thus my proposed WP cost change to 4000

hmm 5k is ok for vet 6-man squads who can pull the points but not average players.. EMP orbitals wouldnt work.. and would require client side update i think.

as for WP scaleing with squad size.. that is just goign backwards as im guessing yoru diea is like 1k per person in a squad of 6 right? while its -1k for each empty spot in a squad.. so you would have a full team of people running around in 1 man squads

not really as there is the HARD cap for Points per minute on rep tool.. which i feel needs to be raised now Orbitals are 5k :/
and still need to be raised if they are lowered to 4k
and let us not forget the impending WP nerf for mil, std and adv injectors.. only proto gets 15 more points the current

Talk about a crutch.

well the differance for a full team is only 200 points per person from 833 down to 633 each for an orbital yes it would mean more orbitals but still like 80% less then when it was 2500wp