Not till they do something about the redline.

What buff are you looking for? Cos your not gonna get a OHK ..

What buff are you looking for? Cos your not gonna get a OHK ..

Assault suit HP is going up, their # of slots are going up which means total possible HP is going wayyy up. What am I suppose to do with a sniper than does 230 damage, horrible hit detection, awful zoom to a point where heads of people 400m away are grains of sand on my 50' TV? Scout's are invisible so can't kill them. Every heavy and their mother has over 2000 ehp. Assaults are going to average 700-900 ehp in Charlie. Amarr assault even more. Scouts already average 400-500. So why do sniper only do 230? Mind you this is a prototype sniper rifle. In charlie, even a thales on a caldari commando won't be able to one hit kill a militia gallante medium. Hell, it can't even one hit kill body shot a scout now. Officer weapon< militia suit?

A headshot with a sniper rifle should be an OHK. Like nearly always.

Personally, I think sniper damage in general is fine, but that the headshot bonus multiplier should be buffed. Then we're rewarding skillful use.

Maybe if all the good sniping points went in the redline, people would step out of it. Also, If snipers were any using within 300m, nobody would camp in the redline. The redline problem occurs just because the sniper is such a bad weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HtqZETx1KE&list=UUlbc3XILbKpyQGjsH9pgOgw

This is sniping in destiny, 2 shots to kill a person, better mechanics, you can stand and shoot and some what quick scope to defend yourself. Snipers in dust are sitting ducks. If you can't kill a person holding still in the redline, you must be a god awful merc.

All I can tell you is go watch somone good, like Forks, if you cant do what he does, usually with a charge and NOT in the redline then you lack skill. Its not the gun, its the gun game.

he's using 5+ mil wroth of sp to kill militia suits. he can't even one shot body shot my militia gallante scout with over 450 ehp.

Aim for the head or take multiple shots.

Quit asking for easy mode.

By the way, light damage mods are being buffed.

Learn to headshot.

gimme some zoom and I will head shot.

Learn to headshot.

he's using 5+ mil wroth of sp to kill militia suits. he can't even one shot body shot my militia gallante scout with over 450 ehp.

Assault suit HP is going up, their # of slots are going up which means total possible HP is going wayyy up. What am I suppose to do with a sniper than does 230 damage, horrible hit detection, awful zoom to a point where heads of people 400m away are grains of sand on my 50' TV? Scout's are invisible so can't kill them. Every heavy and their mother has over 2000 ehp. Assaults are going to average 700-900 ehp in Charlie. Amarr assault even more. Scouts already average 400-500. So why do sniper only do 230? Mind you this is a prototype sniper rifle. In charlie, even a thales on a caldari commando won't be able to one hit kill a militia gallante medium. Hell, it can't even one hit kill body shot a scout now. Officer weapon< militia suit?

(Note: 3 of the top/elite snipers who still play this game are in AE).

dude. just. lol. When was the last time you even logged in? That statement, true many many moons ago, but hasn't been true for a long time.

As part of the 1% elite snipers in this game, having outsniped or head shot every sniper who's claimed to be the best (in Uprising at least) using a Charged SR, not a Thale's, and every sniper in AE who people said to watch out for

I think I'll have more than enough credibility to speak when the time comes

Still, from what little I've seen of Symbiotic, though, I admire his ability to multi-task and deal with multiple incoming threats, be it ADS or tank. He has the situational and environmental awareness required of an elite sniper - i.e. moving, checking his surroundings, then back to perch, not staying in ADS all the time. He's not solely a selfish player who goes strictly for kills. I go for kills, backing up the team, then item destruction

I can see where the concern comes from cause of the rising HP pool yet no increase in SR dmg with almost every suit/class buff that's come out this year. With heavies, then scouts, and now assaults. I have to agree, and can't emphasize enough that head shot multiplier, if anything, should be high enough to OHK almost anything (maybe not heavies - already discussed in a prior post). Anyone who argues otherwise is clinging to some bias they have against snipers or relying too much on their eHP crutch to save them - which render most other modules useless or situational btw. Think about someone taking head shot in real life from a sniper rifle bullet that goes from one side of their head to the other; they won't live to tell about it. Even in a game, it should result in death/clone termination, as it does in most FPS.

I can see where the concern comes from cause of the rising HP pool yet no increase in SR dmg with almost every suit/class buff that's come out this year. With heavies, then scouts, and now assaults. I have to agree, and can't emphasize enough that head shot multiplier, if anything, should be high enough to OHK almost anything (maybe not heavies - already discussed in a prior post). Anyone who argues otherwise is clinging to some bias they have against snipers or relying too much on their eHP crutch to save them - which render most other modules useless or situational btw. Think about someone taking head shot in real life from a sniper rifle bullet that goes from one side of their head to the other; they won't live to tell about it. Even in a game, it should result in death/clone termination, as it does in most FPS.

Everyone who came before who was good in Chromosome either doesn't play the game anymore or has changed their roles because sniping mechanics are severely lacking. You don't see the likes of Sleepy Zan or Gemcutter hop in this game at all cause they can't camp extremely high/be nearly untouchable, run around and quickscope people, or cause they've moved on. The only time I've seen Gem in Uprising, he only had 8 kills, 0 deaths, then never again. eHP has increased significantly since then, map changes were made, and movement mechanics have improved. OHKing with body shots is easy mode to me and that's not what we're asking for, but eHP being a huge crutch, you kind of need some sort of standard for body shot damage as well. i.e. 2 shot medium protos and below, 2-4 shot heavies (as it is now). Otherwise, why have a sniper when everyone's go-to scout, heavy, or assault can do it better? Where's the balance or the need for snipers in that? This is especially significant when it comes to PC play as there is no need for snipers in it atm and any changes t3o the weapon/class/playstyle should be done at the PC level.

Also, not everyone is skilled enough to land solely headshots, especially on mobile targets that move around cover and cloak. Keep that in mind CPM cause up-and-coming snipers or newbies to the game who want to play the class effectively will be more inclined to play something else if this class remains neglected.

Again, overall, let's wait till the discussion on sniping actually matters. The adjustment in scope and the mere mention of there being sniping hotfixes in Delta or beyond means it's coming up. We've had this discussion come up so many times before this past year, over and over with the same arguments and counter-arguments. It's pointless. Not to sound cynical, but just be patient or play something else for now.

As part of the 1% elite snipers in this game, having outsniped or head shot every sniper who's claimed to be the best (in Uprising at least) using a Charged SR, not a Thale's, and every sniper in AE who people said to watch out for, I think I'll have more than enough credibility to speak when the time comes (Note: 3 of the top/elite snipers who still play this game are in AE).

Still, from what little I've seen of Symbiotic, though, I admire his ability to multi-task and deal with multiple incoming threats, be it ADS or tank. He has the situational and environmental awareness required of an elite sniper - i.e. moving, checking his surroundings, then back to perch, not staying in ADS all the time. He's not solely a selfish player who goes strictly for kills. I go for kills, backing up the team, then item destruction , but it comes with the turf when you run this character mainly solo. I haven't seen enough yet to make a judgement. When I can play this game again, I'll invest in a HDPVR, but atm I'm good with other games coming. Trust me, elite snipers take it to another level, in and out of the red, and it's something you'll want to see.

So when all the rifles but the SR got nerfed to increase ttk at the same time these suit buffs happened, we should have nerfed sr too? Go away noob. The community doesn't want it, end of story.

yet there's talk about rebuffing light dmg mods. vicious circle much?

Some math.

Let's take a Thales. 355.3 base damage. Now we add commando cko for 10% extra damage, throw on 3 complex mods for ~14% extra damage, and then prof 5 for an extra 15% damage, although this is only applied to armor.

So math on total shot damage is 355.3 + (355.3x0.14) + (355.3x0.1) + (355.3x0.25). The last parentheses only applies to armor, but we will include it for these calculations. The final number we get is 529.397. This is not enough to kill even some scouts, and that's assuming the suit has no shields.

So let's take into account headshot damage. We get 926.44475 maximum possible damage, making the assumption the target has no shields and is not a sentinel with rail damage resistance.

This is the maximum possible damage a sniper can do, and a third of the equation (the largest modifier as well) proficiency, doesn't even apply to shields, making this number even lower. Take into account shields 10% resistance to snipers, and the number drops lower still.

Not till they do something about the redline.

Some math.

Let's take a Thales. 355.3 base damage. Now we add commando cko for 10% extra damage, throw on 3 complex mods for ~14% extra damage, and then prof 5 for an extra 15% damage, although this is only applied to armor.

So math on total shot damage is 355.3 + (355.3x0.14) + (355.3x0.1) + (355.3x0.25). The last parentheses only applies to armor, but we will include it for these calculations. The final number we get is 529.397. This is not enough to kill even some scouts, and that's assuming the suit has no shields.

So let's take into account headshot damage. We get 926.44475 maximum possible damage, making the assumption the target has no shields and is not a sentinel with rail damage resistance.

This is the maximum possible damage a sniper can do, and a third of the equation (the largest modifier as well) proficiency, doesn't even apply to shields, making this number even lower. Take into account shields 10% resistance to snipers, and the number drops lower still.

If you have a 450 HP militia scout, you're probably scrubby enough to sit in the redline with your sniper rifle. That statement alone about your scout tells me enough. My proto scout doesn't even have 450 HP..

[quote=Snake Sellors]

. unless you know every sniper in dust and their capabilities how do you know if you have killed all of the best ones?

"well the thing is it depends. cause on this character i've strictly played doms and some skirmish cause that's where you'll find snipers most of the time. People want those pushing objectives or at least covering them in each of these game modes. The pool is limited as much as the population here is in dust, even more so when you factor in region, pub or pc. I edited that post saying I haven't seen enough to tell about Symbiotic. I was just saying in terms of attributes cause I haven't seen a extremely high kill count game yet. Shot selection and countering was on point, but his follow up shots could use some work. Some people you don't even get to see because of gamemode preference as well. There's people who are forum famous but aren't that good in game. Some who are pubstars and others who are PC. im mainly a pubstar, i'll admit, but my last PC i had 17 kills and 1 death (from a teammate btw who was being a **** with RE's) sniping next to 2 snipers who had 8 kills a piece sniping for ***** and giggles lol. Would've easily pulled a 30+ bomb if this wasn't the case."

out of curiosity how long ago? and was it with a thales?

". being able to headshot an elite sniper doesn't mean your better than them (unless you mean you get them every time)
I check the list at the beginning of the game to see who im up against. get them almost everytime. Use vehicles as cover and hunt them down from a perch. They usually don't have high kill games when they're being hunted. JOHN1979 is an exception though from O.H. He kills and he's good at hiding."

makes sense, and as you say being hunted severely hampers a sniper.

." outsniping, again this could also be circumstantial, a good sniper after the opposite side is red lined, is unlikely to get any whereas his counterpart on the opposing team will get plenty. (unless you mean you were in squad with them for an extended period and out performed them consistently) - agree, circumstantial. usually against, but i've had a few where i've been squaded with them before. sniping's not the same for them in Uprising."

I feel their pain... only came on at uprising 1.1(or 1.2) but it's not even the same as it was then.
.1% elite snipers? do you mean 1% of snipers qualify as elite? or out of all dust players 1% are elite snipers? or was it just plucked from the air as a way too say they are few and far between?

"out of all dust snipers that i've met, there's only 1% that's elite. there's too few of them that are actually useful that give the rest a bad rep. i.e. high kill count, kills marked targets/targets that put team mates in danger, clears out objectives alone or with support fire, has situational and environmental awareness around them to survive incoming flak, goes mobile when necessary, has multiple perches at his/her disposal, countersnipes, etc. any that possess all of those skills are elite in my book."

too true, far too many bad ones that give the rest a bad rep, and that's a good description of what you would say is elite, i'd agree with that.

Have you heared of me? am i in this "elite"? do you know what my average playstyle or scores are?
"i've heard of the famous people: Sleepy Zan, Gemcutter, Storm Shelton, JOHN1979, Radar, fragmentedhackslash, Symbioticforks, Poonmunch, JungianRND, Tyrrus Vacca(sp), Appia Vibbia, jadesilencerwolf, then some old AE guys, etc. but most of them I haven't seen in action, merely legends. that's the thing about sniping in Uprising. unless ppl play with you, have seen you on the other side of the scope, or see videos of you playing, you don't get any credit."

This was kind of my point, i've seen people at the top of the kdr weekly board almost consistently when they try who are not as good as me, because they don't concern themselves with their squads and care too much about dying. so although a good rule of thumb could be to say they are the top snipers (they probably are to be fair) there are always unknowns.

"I haven't heard of you, only from these forums, and maybe you do fit the bill, but I wouldn't know unless we saw each other or you had footage. that's the thing though. pics or it didn't happen. people even have asked me "who are you?" such as Faquira Bluetta from FA (at the time) and I'd outslay his whole squad (25 kills in full squad), 37 when I was in a full squad with TP (no OB), or when I cloned Espeon's squad lol. Everyone was looking for me right before the Victory screen flashed. It's the amazing feats you do solo or in squad that you wish you'd caught on camera. but you couldn't."

So,being far from danger.
Effectively invisible.

And only being abled to be killed by other snipers or suicidal DS pilots isn't enough?

Really?

I wish my rep tool could work at 100+m healing that much,it would be fantastic,and i would appreciate the safety of not being on the front lines.


So just like every other snipers buff thread before,you won't be happy until you can one shot HAVs.

So when all the rifles but the SR got nerfed to increase ttk at the same time these suit buffs happened, we should have nerfed sr too? Go away noob. The community doesn't want it, end of story.

CCP already knows sniper rifles are under powered in the current game state. There is no desire to field snipers in PC. Any utility they had is lost to other roles like Attack Drop Ships. Combine that with bad map design and you're just rolling dice. Add in that the few sniper locations get contested, and sometimes the action might not be in spots where they can snipe into. It's just so terrible.

If the game offers no sniper rifle that can one hit kill a prototype assault (originally the most used of all suits) no matter how tanked out it is, then sniping is done for. It's a relic of the past. For the most part snipers pick off militia suits, kinda useless.

The generally accepted statistics when last polled were..

1 shot to kill a scout / 1 headshot
2 shots to kill an assault / 1 headshot
3 shots to kill a heavy / 2 headshots

This is obviously not the case.

At release unless that heavy was all armor plates 1 head shot was supposed to kill him.

CEOPyrex "Every good squad should have at least one sniper"

This was the state of things, and how far we've fallen.