Some math.

Let's take a Thales. 355.3 base damage. Now we add commando cko for 10% extra damage, throw on 3 complex mods for ~14% extra damage, and then prof 5 for an extra 15% damage, although this is only applied to armor.

So math on total shot damage is 355.3 + (355.3x0.14) + (355.3x0.1) + (355.3x0.25). The last parentheses only applies to armor, but we will include it for these calculations. The final number we get is 529.397. This is not enough to kill even some scouts, and that's assuming the suit has no shields.

So let's take into account headshot damage. We get 926.44475 maximum possible damage, making the assumption the target has no shields and is not a sentinel with rail damage resistance.

This is the maximum possible damage a sniper can do, and a third of the equation (the largest modifier as well) proficiency, doesn't even apply to shields, making this number even lower. Take into account shields 10% resistance to snipers, and the number drops lower still.

Not till they do something about the redline.

Some math.

Let's take a Thales. 355.3 base damage. Now we add commando cko for 10% extra damage, throw on 3 complex mods for ~14% extra damage, and then prof 5 for an extra 15% damage, although this is only applied to armor.

So math on total shot damage is 355.3 + (355.3x0.14) + (355.3x0.1) + (355.3x0.25). The last parentheses only applies to armor, but we will include it for these calculations. The final number we get is 529.397. This is not enough to kill even some scouts, and that's assuming the suit has no shields.

So let's take into account headshot damage. We get 926.44475 maximum possible damage, making the assumption the target has no shields and is not a sentinel with rail damage resistance.

This is the maximum possible damage a sniper can do, and a third of the equation (the largest modifier as well) proficiency, doesn't even apply to shields, making this number even lower. Take into account shields 10% resistance to snipers, and the number drops lower still.

If you have a 450 HP militia scout, you're probably scrubby enough to sit in the redline with your sniper rifle. That statement alone about your scout tells me enough. My proto scout doesn't even have 450 HP..

[quote=Snake Sellors]

. unless you know every sniper in dust and their capabilities how do you know if you have killed all of the best ones?

"well the thing is it depends. cause on this character i've strictly played doms and some skirmish cause that's where you'll find snipers most of the time. People want those pushing objectives or at least covering them in each of these game modes. The pool is limited as much as the population here is in dust, even more so when you factor in region, pub or pc. I edited that post saying I haven't seen enough to tell about Symbiotic. I was just saying in terms of attributes cause I haven't seen a extremely high kill count game yet. Shot selection and countering was on point, but his follow up shots could use some work. Some people you don't even get to see because of gamemode preference as well. There's people who are forum famous but aren't that good in game. Some who are pubstars and others who are PC. im mainly a pubstar, i'll admit, but my last PC i had 17 kills and 1 death (from a teammate btw who was being a **** with RE's) sniping next to 2 snipers who had 8 kills a piece sniping for ***** and giggles lol. Would've easily pulled a 30+ bomb if this wasn't the case."

out of curiosity how long ago? and was it with a thales?

". being able to headshot an elite sniper doesn't mean your better than them (unless you mean you get them every time)
I check the list at the beginning of the game to see who im up against. get them almost everytime. Use vehicles as cover and hunt them down from a perch. They usually don't have high kill games when they're being hunted. JOHN1979 is an exception though from O.H. He kills and he's good at hiding."

makes sense, and as you say being hunted severely hampers a sniper.

." outsniping, again this could also be circumstantial, a good sniper after the opposite side is red lined, is unlikely to get any whereas his counterpart on the opposing team will get plenty. (unless you mean you were in squad with them for an extended period and out performed them consistently) - agree, circumstantial. usually against, but i've had a few where i've been squaded with them before. sniping's not the same for them in Uprising."

I feel their pain... only came on at uprising 1.1(or 1.2) but it's not even the same as it was then.
.1% elite snipers? do you mean 1% of snipers qualify as elite? or out of all dust players 1% are elite snipers? or was it just plucked from the air as a way too say they are few and far between?

"out of all dust snipers that i've met, there's only 1% that's elite. there's too few of them that are actually useful that give the rest a bad rep. i.e. high kill count, kills marked targets/targets that put team mates in danger, clears out objectives alone or with support fire, has situational and environmental awareness around them to survive incoming flak, goes mobile when necessary, has multiple perches at his/her disposal, countersnipes, etc. any that possess all of those skills are elite in my book."

too true, far too many bad ones that give the rest a bad rep, and that's a good description of what you would say is elite, i'd agree with that.

Have you heared of me? am i in this "elite"? do you know what my average playstyle or scores are?
"i've heard of the famous people: Sleepy Zan, Gemcutter, Storm Shelton, JOHN1979, Radar, fragmentedhackslash, Symbioticforks, Poonmunch, JungianRND, Tyrrus Vacca(sp), Appia Vibbia, jadesilencerwolf, then some old AE guys, etc. but most of them I haven't seen in action, merely legends. that's the thing about sniping in Uprising. unless ppl play with you, have seen you on the other side of the scope, or see videos of you playing, you don't get any credit."

This was kind of my point, i've seen people at the top of the kdr weekly board almost consistently when they try who are not as good as me, because they don't concern themselves with their squads and care too much about dying. so although a good rule of thumb could be to say they are the top snipers (they probably are to be fair) there are always unknowns.

"I haven't heard of you, only from these forums, and maybe you do fit the bill, but I wouldn't know unless we saw each other or you had footage. that's the thing though. pics or it didn't happen. people even have asked me "who are you?" such as Faquira Bluetta from FA (at the time) and I'd outslay his whole squad (25 kills in full squad), 37 when I was in a full squad with TP (no OB), or when I cloned Espeon's squad lol. Everyone was looking for me right before the Victory screen flashed. It's the amazing feats you do solo or in squad that you wish you'd caught on camera. but you couldn't."

So,being far from danger.
Effectively invisible.

And only being abled to be killed by other snipers or suicidal DS pilots isn't enough?

Really?

I wish my rep tool could work at 100+m healing that much,it would be fantastic,and i would appreciate the safety of not being on the front lines.


So just like every other snipers buff thread before,you won't be happy until you can one shot HAVs.

So when all the rifles but the SR got nerfed to increase ttk at the same time these suit buffs happened, we should have nerfed sr too? Go away noob. The community doesn't want it, end of story.

CCP already knows sniper rifles are under powered in the current game state. There is no desire to field snipers in PC. Any utility they had is lost to other roles like Attack Drop Ships. Combine that with bad map design and you're just rolling dice. Add in that the few sniper locations get contested, and sometimes the action might not be in spots where they can snipe into. It's just so terrible.

If the game offers no sniper rifle that can one hit kill a prototype assault (originally the most used of all suits) no matter how tanked out it is, then sniping is done for. It's a relic of the past. For the most part snipers pick off militia suits, kinda useless.

The generally accepted statistics when last polled were..

1 shot to kill a scout / 1 headshot
2 shots to kill an assault / 1 headshot
3 shots to kill a heavy / 2 headshots

This is obviously not the case.

At release unless that heavy was all armor plates 1 head shot was supposed to kill him.

CEOPyrex "Every good squad should have at least one sniper"

This was the state of things, and how far we've fallen.