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Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1132	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:07:00 - [1] - Quote Welp, enjoy scrubs. 500 extra shields, really? Say hello to OP shield dropships, all thanks to the scrubs that couldn't fit them up properly! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 989	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:12:00 - [2] - Quote It was a dumb buff. ADS are already OP in the right hands. Don't forget they're supposed to be cheaper now too in charlie! Overlord of Broman
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 224	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:19:00 - [3] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: It was a dumb buff. ADS are already OP in the right hands. Don't forget they're supposed to be cheaper now too in charlie! Nope, no mention of it. And op, if you think 500 more shields will make it op, you are clearly: A. Are somewhat stupid or ignorant B. You haven't used a python vs decent people. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 989	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:26:00 - [4] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Ares 514 wrote: It was a dumb buff. ADS are already OP in the right hands. Don't forget they're supposed to be cheaper now too in charlie! Nope, no mention of it. And op, if you think 500 more shields will make it op, you are clearly: A. Are somewhat stupid or ignorant B. You haven't used a python vs decent people. I double checked and couldn't find any reference to it. Maybe it didn't make the patch notes :) They said they planned on doing it so it's either a stealth change or didn't make it. Overlord of Broman
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 224	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:29:00 - [5] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Ares 514 wrote: It was a dumb buff. ADS are already OP in the right hands. Don't forget they're supposed to be cheaper now too in charlie! Nope, no mention of it. And op, if you think 500 more shields will make it op, you are clearly: A. Are somewhat stupid or ignorant B. You haven't used a python vs decent people. I double checked and couldn't find any reference to it. Maybe it didn't make the patch notes :) They said they planned on doing it so it's either a stealth change or didn't make it. Yes, I checked the list twice, and I'm going to town with my ads. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 527	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:32:00 - [6] - Quote Aerial faggotry. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1805	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:36:00 - [7] - Quote From a PC prospective, this is a much needed buff. Pythons get thrashed in PC by everything: Swarms, forge guns, Incubi, etc. With this much more hp, it's now feasible to get close to Incubus numbers in ehp (at lest with my fit, and only with a hardener running).
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 889	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:37:00 - [8] - Quote Still a bad idea. @JRleo jr: " You are clearly are somewhat stupid or ignorant" is an insult, not a argument to prove your point. I have used a python against "decent" people on many occasions, and I still think the 500 shield buff is a bad idea. Medium frame EHP is not medium
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 229	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:43:00 - [9] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Still a bad idea. @JRleo jr: " You are clearly are somewhat stupid or ignorant" is an insult, not a argument to prove your point. I have used a python against "decent" people on many occasions, and I still think the 500 shield buff is a bad idea. Decent as in, they know how to aim a forge, proto, it wrecks pythons so bad... Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14663	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:21:00 - [10] - Quote Only CCP would think that buffing the easiest to use, most flexible (good vs infantry and vehicles at all times), fastest, most agile ship that takes virtually no bonus damage from any AV weapon, would be a good idea. L M A O Scrub bucket FTW. The Future

Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 133	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:37:00 - [11] - Quote We'll have to wait and see.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14663	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:41:00 - [12] - Quote My game is uninstalled so I can't check, can someone list the new proposed base HP of a Python vs the base HP of an Incubus? Ten Year Plan -
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1150	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote the python is the goto ship for noobs so i guess by default it needs a buff since they're the only ones who are passionate about this game to spend on money on it. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 171	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:55:00 - [14] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Welp, enjoy scrubs. 500 extra shields, really? Say hello to OP shield dropships, all thanks to the scrubs that couldn't fit them up properly! Your b!tching about 500 shields? Are you serious? first off if you want to be able fit anything on a ADS you need to use a pg/cpu mod which takes away from any extra hp an ADS could use. Second 500 shields is nothing when a militia DS can just tap a ADS and destroy it. Third at over 300k isk for just an ADS not counting turrets, and mods an ADS should be a bit more durable then what it is now. Have you ever even tried to fly a python? I doubt you have or you would not be such a whiny cry baby right now. Before you try and insult people who have had to invest more sp into their ADS then you ever had to for your drop suit, by calling them scrubs, try getting good at avoiding the ADS so they don't kill you as much, since a militia FG can scare away any shield based ADS at any time.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14663	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:58:00 - [15] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Welp, enjoy scrubs. 500 extra shields, really? Say hello to OP shield dropships, all thanks to the scrubs that couldn't fit them up properly! Your b!tching about 500 shields? Are you serious? first off if you want to be able fit anything on a ADS you need to use a pg/cpu mod which takes away from any extra hp an ADS could use. Second 500 shields is nothing when a militia DS can just tap a ADS and destroy it. Third at over 300k isk for just an ADS not counting turrets, and mods an ADS should be a bit more durable then what it is now. Have you ever even tried to fly a python? I doubt you have or you would not be such a whiny cry baby right now. Before you try and insult people who have had to invest more sp into their ADS then you ever had to for your drop suit, by calling them scrubs, try getting good at avoiding the ADS so they don't kill you as much, since a militia FG can scare away any shield based ADS at any time. Python is the scrub ship that actually takes skill in order to die in. Buffing it just caters to bad players. Ten Year Plan -
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1813	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:02:00 - [16] - Quote I don't care. I make python pilots **** their pants. Then they crash.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1851	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote With scouts soon to multiply on the field I may take flying up. Do circles and still make more ISK than if I was on the ground. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1150	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:12:00 - [18] - Quote they should have buffed the shield booster where people actually want to fit it.. we've been thru so many dropship builds in the past both FOTM and UP. there's never going to be a point where everyones content but they could destroy the best balance it ever saw at this moment. imo the price reduction is not going to go over well with the community if it allows bad pilots to spam dropships- why even take evasive manuvers- just get a couple more kills and call another ADS. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1150	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:23:00 - [19] - Quote calvin b wrote: With scouts soon to multiply on the field I may take flying up. Do circles and still make more ISK than if I was on the ground. they should buff pilot payout instead of making them cheaper, if we choose to not go the solo FOTM role who mock us for flying transport/support we suffer a massive BS payout despite the multiple support points, which for whatever reason have to be super low. gee thanks CCP for those +15 WP i scored 20 times = 300, if my gunner gets also 10 kills that run that jumps me up to a whopping 650 WP for supporting in the battle the whole time.. i know about droplinks but that's beside the point. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1765	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:33:00 - [20] - Quote I agree the python really doesn't need the extra 500 shields. It might need it if they introduce em swarms and anti dropship swarms but not before those are put in the game. @ dust fiend, I'm very surprised that your still moaning about pythons being better. I have encountered a few incubus who were smart enough to actually fit for a gunner and destroyed with it. The rail gun with the incubus skill (not even stacking) makes it perfectly viable against infantry and makes it an absolute monster against vehicles of any kind. Much more so than a python could hope to achieve. Incubus aren't slower than pythons, their speed is exactly the same, in one engagement I had both my python and the hostile incubus burning towards the ceiling and the incubus burned much higher and much faster than my python. A python is as 'scrubly' as an incubus. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12698	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:37:00 - [21] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Ares 514 wrote: It was a dumb buff. ADS are already OP in the right hands. Don't forget they're supposed to be cheaper now too in charlie! Nope, no mention of it. And op, if you think 500 more shields will make it op, you are clearly: A. Are somewhat stupid or ignorant B. You haven't used a python vs decent people. Nah what has just happened in that Skytanks have been designed with impunity from almost all things. 3055 Shields on the Python, afterburner that recharges every 10-20 seconds, and a shield booster that recharges 1/3rd of the main shield HP every 40 seconds, with your 505 direct damage , increased RoF prototype Missile Launcher, and the ability to fly. Not to mention the base 224 shield reps per pulse after the 4 second recharge delay...... I smell skytanks........ and I know all about flying HAV.... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14665	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:45:00 - [22] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I agree the python really doesn't need the extra 500 shields. It might need it if they introduce em swarms and anti dropship swarms but not before those are put in the game. @ dust fiend, I'm very surprised that your still moaning about pythons being better. I have encountered a few incubus who were smart enough to actually fit for a gunner and destroyed with it. The rail gun with the incubus skill (not even stacking) makes it perfectly viable against infantry and makes it an absolute monster against vehicles of any kind. Much more so than a python could hope to achieve. Incubus aren't slower than pythons, their speed is exactly the same, in one engagement I had both my python and the hostile incubus burning towards the ceiling and the incubus burned much higher and much faster than my python. A python is as 'scrubly' as an incubus. Incubus are in fact slower, as their listed speed and in game speed implies. An Incubus with an afterburner will move as fast as a Python without an afterburner. They also have the privilege of accelerating slower, and adding any extra HP slows you down even more. Fitting a side gun is all well and good but again, if you want to use that rail vs infantry you're relying on them not having much / any AV presence. Sitting still in a ship that's bigger, slower to accelerate, slower at top speed, and that takes bonus damage from virtually all AV, while having more pronounced weak spots = losing ISK. Also, missiles destroy Armor tanks better than railguns ever will, and they only do marginally worse vs shield tanks than rail guns. The only thing small railguns excel at over small missiles is killing pythons. That's it. I'm just over here laughing that the easiest most rewarding ship got buffed further. Ten Year Plan -
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1150	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:48:00 - [23] - Quote i'm pretty sure the incubus has superior torque than the python, we used to have a low mod that increased torque so the stat does exist. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 864	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:56:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I agree the python really doesn't need the extra 500 shields. It might need it if they introduce em swarms and anti dropship swarms but not before those are put in the game. @ dust fiend, I'm very surprised that your still moaning about pythons being better. I have encountered a few incubus who were smart enough to actually fit for a gunner and destroyed with it. The rail gun with the incubus skill (not even stacking) makes it perfectly viable against infantry and makes it an absolute monster against vehicles of any kind. Much more so than a python could hope to achieve. Incubus aren't slower than pythons, their speed is exactly the same, in one engagement I had both my python and the hostile incubus burning towards the ceiling and the incubus burned much higher and much faster than my python. A python is as 'scrubly' as an incubus. I would have preferred an increase in PG by 1-3 over this but its nice that the DS gets some love.... AFTER 2 YEARS OF HATRED AND NERFS. Keep in mind that swarms are getting a nice damage buff too so that 500 extra shield is what will keep the DS from getting 1-shotted. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1150	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:59:00 - [25] - Quote i thought the SL already got buffed? AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
upside down poster Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:02:00 - [26] - Quote -Ö+Ñ+ön+» op -çuo-ì d+Ñ +É+¦-çx¦¥ 00-¢ -Ösun¦âlß¦ë+É+¦ ll+É+»s -Äq p¦¥d+É+¦ -ç¦¥¦â sdß¦ë+Ñsdo+¦p ß¦ë+¦+Épl+É¦å
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1151	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:11:00 - [27] - Quote upside down poster wrote: -Ö+Ñ+ön+» op -çuo-ì d+Ñ +É+¦-çx¦¥ 00-¢ -Ösun¦âlß¦ë+É+¦ ll+É+»s -Äq p¦¥d+É+¦ -ç¦¥¦â sdß¦ë+Ñsdo+¦p ß¦ë+¦+Épl+É¦å yea it's nothing for my small rail gunner.. still there are other ways to buff things than just raw HP.. the average python pilot flies in a straight line anyway when he's not thrusting into the max height cieling AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11273	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:14:00 - [28] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: it's now feasible to get close to Incubus numbers in ehp. This should never be feasible in the first place. If I don't, who will? -HAND
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1766	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:14:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Incubus are in fact slower, as their listed speed and in game speed implies. An Incubus with an afterburner will move as fast as a Python without an afterburner. They also have the privilege of accelerating slower, and adding any extra HP slows you down even more. Fitting a side gun is all well and good but again, if you want to use that rail vs infantry you're relying on them not having much / any AV presence. Sitting still in a ship that's bigger, slower to accelerate, slower at top speed, and that takes bonus damage from virtually all AV, while having more pronounced weak spots = losing ISK. Also, missiles destroy Armor tanks better than railguns ever will, and they only do marginally worse vs shield tanks than rail guns. The only thing small railguns excel at over small missiles is killing pythons. That's it. I'm just over here laughing that the easiest most rewarding ship got buffed further. Listed air speed for incubus 50.00 m/s Listed air speed for python 50.00 m/s I don't know where your getting this from. When ever I go to chase down an incubus with an after burner on I don't catch up and then pass him, I don't even gain on him unless he slows the ship himself. Same goes for acceleration speed, every time I encounter an incubus pilot we accelerate and burn at the same speed. Armor doesn't slow you down in the air. Even with the bonus damage av get incubi are still much hardier than pythons. While they do take more damage they have more HP to compensate and their reps can't be stalled by a milita swarm or hmg. One of the incubi I encountered with a gunner killed infantry just like a python with his rail, even under fire from several forge guns including myself. He even killed me while I was hitting him. They were both very skillful, they weren't relying on little av presence at all, in fact they were attacking the forge gunners. I don't know if you have ever flown with good gunner's but if you have space to maneuver there should be no sitting still, which is how I fly and how this incubus flew. A python will destroy a shield tank with two gunner's about as fast as a solo incubus and about the same with the armor tank maybe slightly faster. With a gunner on the incubus the python needs all three to be as effective, with three guns on an incubus a python simply cannot match the vehicle killing power. Oh and those fin guards count as the weak spot on the python. Stop blaming pythons for lack of skill or teamwork. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1151	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:17:00 - [30] - Quote the python used to be superior until they moved armor rep from active to passive AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012



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