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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12698	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:19:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I agree the python really doesn't need the extra 500 shields. It might need it if they introduce em swarms and anti dropship swarms but not before those are put in the game. @ dust fiend, I'm very surprised that your still moaning about pythons being better. I have encountered a few incubus who were smart enough to actually fit for a gunner and destroyed with it. The rail gun with the incubus skill (not even stacking) makes it perfectly viable against infantry and makes it an absolute monster against vehicles of any kind. Much more so than a python could hope to achieve. Incubus aren't slower than pythons, their speed is exactly the same, in one engagement I had both my python and the hostile incubus burning towards the ceiling and the incubus burned much higher and much faster than my python. A python is as 'scrubly' as an incubus. Incubus are in fact slower, as their listed speed and in game speed implies. An Incubus with an afterburner will move as fast as a Python without an afterburner. They also have the privilege of accelerating slower, and adding any extra HP slows you down even more. Fitting a side gun is all well and good but again, if you want to use that rail vs infantry you're relying on them not having much / any AV presence. Sitting still in a ship that's bigger, slower to accelerate, slower at top speed, and that takes bonus damage from virtually all AV, while having more pronounced weak spots = losing ISK. Also, missiles destroy Armor tanks better than railguns ever will, and they only do marginally worse vs shield tanks than rail guns. The only thing small railguns excel at over small missiles is killing pythons. That's it. I'm just over here laughing that the easiest most rewarding ship got buffed further. That's quite frankly not true sir. Being on the receiving end of many and ADSers ire Armour melts from Incubus Railguns, whereas more often that not I can tank through missile volleys long enough to escape somewhere. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11273	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:20:00 - [32] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Listed air speed for incubus 50.00 m/s Listed air speed for python 50.00 m/s That's odd. ProtoFits lists the Python's Air Speed as 75m/s. Where's your list coming from? If I don't, who will? -HAND
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1766	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:07:00 - [33] - Quote Atiim wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Listed air speed for incubus 50.00 m/s Listed air speed for python 50.00 m/s That's odd. ProtoFits lists the Python's Air Speed as 75m/s. Where's your list coming from? From the market info Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Zindorak 1.U.P 269	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:50:00 - [34] - Quote Mmmmm tasty QQ tears mmmmmm....... Pokemon master
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 240	Posted - 2014.08.08 04:37:00 - [35] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Only CCP would think that buffing the easiest to use, most flexible (good vs infantry and vehicles at all times), fastest, most agile ship that takes virtually no bonus damage from any AV weapon, would be a good idea. L M A O Scrub bucket FTW. Incubus is more reliable and doesn't get knocked around as much. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 240	Posted - 2014.08.08 04:41:00 - [36] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Ares 514 wrote: It was a dumb buff. ADS are already OP in the right hands. Don't forget they're supposed to be cheaper now too in charlie! Nope, no mention of it. And op, if you think 500 more shields will make it op, you are clearly: A. Are somewhat stupid or ignorant B. You haven't used a python vs decent people. Nah what has just happened in that Skytanks have been designed with impunity from almost all things. 3055 Shields on the Python, afterburner that recharges every 10-20 seconds, no shieod hardener and a shield booster that recharges 1/3rd of the main shield HP every 40 seconds, with your 505 direct damage , increased RoF prototype Missile Launcher, and the ability to fly. Not to mention the base 224 shield reps per pulse after the 4 second recharge delay...... I smell skytanks........ and I know all about flying HAV.... Why do you retards keep bringing up the afterburner? You can't balance av off you module you ground troops keep bitching about And 3k shields is meaningless without a hardener, enjoy never able to kill any forge gunners. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 240	Posted - 2014.08.08 04:42:00 - [37] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I agree the python really doesn't need the extra 500 shields. It might need it if they introduce em swarms and anti dropship swarms but not before those are put in the game. @ dust fiend, I'm very surprised that your still moaning about pythons being better. I have encountered a few incubus who were smart enough to actually fit for a gunner and destroyed with it. The rail gun with the incubus skill (not even stacking) makes it perfectly viable against infantry and makes it an absolute monster against vehicles of any kind. Much more so than a python could hope to achieve. Incubus aren't slower than pythons, their speed is exactly the same, in one engagement I had both my python and the hostile incubus burning towards the ceiling and the incubus burned much higher and much faster than my python. A python is as 'scrubly' as an incubus. Incubus are in fact slower, as their listed speed and in game speed implies. An Incubus with an afterburner will move as fast as a Python without an afterburner. . Who hacked this account? Dust fiend was never this stupid, an incubus with an ab is so mich faster than a python Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
The True Inferno Myrmidon Syndicate 47	Posted - 2014.08.08 04:58:00 - [38] - Quote Quick fact: Caldari vehicles have superior manorvourablity than Gallenete vehicles, but Gallente vehicles are faster than Caldari vehicles. It's been a cliche with the game for a while now. Go ahead, test it! ScP = GÖÑ Recent fat scout (sentinel w/shotty and cin-cats)
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 242	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:10:00 - [39] - Quote The True Inferno wrote: Quick fact: Caldari vehicles have superior manorvourablity than Gallenete vehicles, but Gallente vehicles are faster than Caldari vehicles. It's been a cliche with the game for a while now. Go ahead, test it! I have and they aren't knocked around as bad. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11278	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:27:00 - [40] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: You can't balance av off you module. Every role has at least 1 item that it's balanced around, due to the fact that said item greatly benefits the role. For example: Snipers & AVers have Damage Modifiers (and Commandos). Sentinels have Heavy Machine Guns. Scouts have Cloaks, Range Amplifiers, and Profile Dampeners. Speed Hackers have Codebreakers. Speed Tankers have Biotics (KinCats, MyroFibs, and Regs) As long as the Afterburner greatly benefits ADSs, your argument holds no merit or credibility. If I don't, who will? -HAND

Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2393	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:30:00 - [41] - Quote I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 242	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:34:00 - [42] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. But an enemy Shepard rips it apart... Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11278	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:35:00 - [43] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. But an enemy Shepard rips it apart... Shepard? This isn't Mass Effect... If I don't, who will? -HAND
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 242	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:36:00 - [44] - Quote Atiim wrote: JRleo jr wrote: You can't balance av off you module. Every role has at least 1 item that it's balanced around, due to the fact that said item greatly benefits the role. For example: Snipers & AVers have nothing Sentinels have Heavy Machine Guns. Speed Hackers have Codebreakers. As long as the Afterburner greatly benefits ADSs, your argument holds no merit or credibility. Fixed, and no, quit your bitching atiim, nit everyone runs an ab nor should av be balanced on it. That's like av being balanced on a hardener and without it you get 2 shotted... Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2393	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:36:00 - [45] - Quote Atiim wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. But an enemy Shepard rips it apart... Shepard? This isn't Mass Effect... He's confusing Laira with Liara. It's an understandable mistake, now that I look at it. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 242	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:37:00 - [46] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Atiim wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. But an enemy Shepard rips it apart... Shepard? This isn't Mass Effect... He's confusing Laira with Liara. It's an understandable mistake, now that I look at it. At least some people here play something besides dust... Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2393	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:44:00 - [47] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: Atiim wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. But an enemy Shepard rips it apart... Shepard? This isn't Mass Effect... He's confusing Laira with Liara. It's an understandable mistake, now that I look at it. At least some people here play something besides dust... Hey! I play other games! I'm personally into the older games, like Septerra core (it didn't get much love from the gaming in its time), the Prince of Persia trilogy (better than assassins creed in my opinion). But some of the newer games are really nice, Skyrim, Mass effect, the whole trilogy really I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 242	Posted - 2014.08.08 05:49:00 - [48] - Quote Derrith Erador Derrith Erador wrote: Atiim wrote: JRleo jr wrote: [quote=Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. Shepard? This isn't Mass Effect... He's confusing Laira with Liara. It's an understandable mistake, now that I look at it. At least some people here play something besides dust... Hey! I play other games! I'm personally into the older games, like Septerra core (it didn't get much love from the gaming in its time), the Prince of Persia trilogy (better than assassins creed in my opinion). But some of the newer games are really nice, Skyrim, Mass effect, the whole trilogy really[/quote] My n7 level was over 1,000 on ME3 Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Shooter Somewhere Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.08.08 06:19:00 - [49] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Welp, enjoy scrubs. 500 extra shields, really? Say hello to OP shield dropships, all thanks to the scrubs that couldn't fit them up properly! SKIP TO 3:30!! YOU KILLED THE RECORED WITH AN RE! AND HE WAS USEING A GAUTANS HMG! GOOD **** DUDE!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpPxy8gXxY HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
Vulpes Dolosus molon labe. General Tso's Alliance 1811	Posted - 2014.08.08 08:27:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: it's now feasible to get close to Incubus numbers in ehp. This should never be feasible in the first place. The Python already has incredible DPS, as well as speed and maneuverability. This gain was supposed to come at the sacrifice of eHP. That's like giving Minmatar Dropsuits an HP buff to bring it in-line with Amarr Dropsuits' HP. The current difference is more than 1000hp (the current Python hangs around 3k passive or 4k active while the incubus 1k shield buffer and 4k armor; both fully fitted). Shields are meant to be the burst tankers, that is, to do a lot of damage and have a lot of health for a short time (my proposed Python fit has 3k buffer and 5k active ehp, 30sec on, 45sec off). CCP has always made it clear that this is their stance on vehicle shield tanking. And actually, even with the reduction to vehicle damage, small rails have a higher dps than missiles (might be shoddy math and I haven't calculated heat build up, reloading, rof bonuses, etc).

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 262	Posted - 2014.08.08 08:29:00 - [51] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Armor doesn't slow you down in the air. I smell bullshit.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12711	Posted - 2014.08.08 09:59:00 - [52] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Atiim wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: I have to agree with you Tebu. I'm against the buff to my baby Laira. Not that I'm complaining about getting it, I just saw no need for it. But an enemy Shepard rips it apart... Shepard? This isn't Mass Effect... He's confusing Laira with Liara. It's an understandable mistake, now that I look at it. I'm Commander Shepard and Liara is my favourite Asari on the Citiadel....... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 889	Posted - 2014.08.08 10:28:00 - [53] - Quote So, some of you are claiming that flying a python is "easy mode". Did they change the controls and handling of ADSs while I was on break? Even with the un-needed 500HP increase to pythons shields, pythons still require considerable amount of player skill to be effective. We've got the scrub pilots bitching about how they need that extra 500HP to survive and some butt-hurt individuals making ***-up... This thread is going places. Medium frame EHP is not medium*
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 243	Posted - 2014.08.08 10:52:00 - [54] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Armor doesn't slow you down in the air. I smell bullshit. derp Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1029	Posted - 2014.08.08 14:08:00 - [55] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: medomai grey wrote: Still a bad idea. @JRleo jr: " You are clearly are somewhat stupid or ignorant" is an insult, not a argument to prove your point. I have used a python against "decent" people on many occasions, and I still think the 500 shield buff is a bad idea. Decent as in, they know how to aim a forge, proto, it wrecks pythons so bad... I know how to aim a forge and getting three shots in on a Python that isn't just hovering is difficult. Because, that's why.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2394	Posted - 2014.08.08 14:17:00 - [56] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: JRleo jr wrote: medomai grey wrote: Still a bad idea. @JRleo jr: " You are clearly are somewhat stupid or ignorant" is an insult, not a argument to prove your point. I have used a python against "decent" people on many occasions, and I still think the 500 shield buff is a bad idea. Decent as in, they know how to aim a forge, proto, it wrecks pythons so bad... I know how to aim a forge and getting three shots in on a Python that isn't just hovering is difficult. That's to be expected, my good man. But you're not supposed to hover except for in key areas. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 866	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:11:00 - [57] - Quote The True Inferno wrote: Quick fact: Caldari vehicles have superior manorvourablity than Gallenete vehicles, but Gallente vehicles are faster than Caldari vehicles. It's been a cliche with the game for a while now. Go ahead, test it! Fun fact: Caldari DS and Gallente DS are SUPPOSE to have unique skill traits that sets them apart in terms of speed, resistances, and torque. Unless they fixed them secretly, they never patched them and have left both with standard DS characteristics. As of now Caldari only has a more sensitive pitch/yaw. Everything else is the same in terms of numbers. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1136	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:28:00 - [58] - Quote Shooter Somewhere wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Welp, enjoy scrubs. 500 extra shields, really? Say hello to OP shield dropships, all thanks to the scrubs that couldn't fit them up properly! SKIP TO 3:30!! YOU KILLED THE RECORED WITH AN RE! AND HE WAS USEING A GAUTANS HMG! GOOD **** DUDE!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpPxy8gXxY Lol Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 145	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:36:00 - [59] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Incubus are in fact slower, as their listed speed and in game speed implies. An Incubus with an afterburner will move as fast as a Python without an afterburner. They also have the privilege of accelerating slower, and adding any extra HP slows you down even more. Fitting a side gun is all well and good but again, if you want to use that rail vs infantry you're relying on them not having much / any AV presence. Sitting still in a ship that's bigger, slower to accelerate, slower at top speed, and that takes bonus damage from virtually all AV, while having more pronounced weak spots = losing ISK. Also, missiles destroy Armor tanks better than railguns ever will, and they only do marginally worse vs shield tanks than rail guns. The only thing small railguns excel at over small missiles is killing pythons. That's it. I'm just over here laughing that the easiest most rewarding ship got buffed further. Listed air speed for incubus 50.00 m/s Listed air speed for python 50.00 m/s I don't know where your getting this from. When ever I go to chase down an incubus with an after burner on I don't catch up and then pass him, I don't even gain on him unless he slows the ship himself. Same goes for acceleration speed, every time I encounter an incubus pilot we accelerate and burn at the same speed. Armor doesn't slow you down in the air. Putting a plate or two on your Incubus will slow you down, to the point where even an afterburner won't help if you have excessively high armour hp, but that only applies to two or more plates anyway. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1136	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:42:00 - [60] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Welp, enjoy scrubs. 500 extra shields, really? Say hello to OP shield dropships, all thanks to the scrubs that couldn't fit them up properly! Your b!tching about 500 shields? Are you serious? first off if you want to be able fit anything on a ADS you need to use a pg/cpu mod which takes away from any extra hp an ADS could use. Second 500 shields is nothing when a militia DS can just tap a ADS and destroy it. Third at over 300k isk for just an ADS not counting turrets, and mods an ADS should be a bit more durable then what it is now. Have you ever even tried to fly a python? I doubt you have or you would not be such a whiny cry baby right now. Before you try and insult people who have had to invest more sp into their ADS then you ever had to for your drop suit, by calling them scrubs, try getting good at avoiding the ADS so they don't kill you as much, since a militia FG can scare away any shield based ADS at any time. Yes, actually. I've been flying them pretty regularly of late. I've had them for a long time, but never really bothered using them as much as I would my tank. But recently, I've decided to improve my game with them. Which means flying a lot of them, and I'm getting pretty good. Lost several, and noticed generally it isn't AV but knockback that gets me the most. So yes, I do fly them very extensively of late and 500 shields is something they DON'T NEED! How in the world is it that they are squishy as people say, I just don't understand the sentiment. I can easily eat 4 FORGE GUN SHOTS, forcing a reload, giving me plenty of time to deal with the threat below. So yes, 500 shields may not seem like a lot, but if you consider for a moment, that's nearly equal or greater than a light shield extender, for something that already has incredibly good damage mitigation. I mean what the hell people, will you not be happy until you can take on more than one AV on the ground?? (Something you can already manage with any decent flying skills, but that takes skill huh, or maybe just some commons sense.) TL;DR It's not that the buff will make them OP, but that it's certainly not needed. In the right hands, they are a very deadly force. They aren't as squishy as certain scrubs would make them out to be. People like to look at eHP, but what about speed, nearly unlimited maneuverability, and how you force infantry into a role that leaves them vulnerable to other infantry on the ground? Tanks - Balancing Turrets



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