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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3850	Posted - 2014.08.07 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote The patchnotes just got dropped like a bomb and im happy to see that we are getting 3 times more LP which means i can actually make complete fits from the FW store without running tons of matches in a row. You'll see alot more people going after that cause all the gear requires less skills to use and some of it have better fitting. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12655	Posted - 2014.08.07 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8954	Posted - 2014.08.07 00:51:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Also https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169519&find=unread I hope you don't plan on buying anything but prototype light weapons and prototype dropsuits. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12655	Posted - 2014.08.07 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Also https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169519&find=unread I hope you don't plan on buying anything but prototype light weapons and prototype dropsuits. I might buy the Plates and Reppers....... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Mr Hakyou 65	Posted - 2014.08.07 00:54:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Hotfix Charlie
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12655	Posted - 2014.08.07 01:02:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Hakyou wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5656	Posted - 2014.08.07 01:55:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. I'd like for Milita status to be added, but only if the open marketplace is added at the same time, which will likely never happen. I'm free! /o/
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 726	Posted - 2014.08.07 02:03:00 - [8] - Quote Ah, can't wait to download DUST again. Been waiting for Charlie and it should be here next week, right? It's been a month and I've been having dreams... FW here I come! "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3814	Posted - 2014.08.07 02:12:00 - [9] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Ah, can't wait to download DUST again. Been waiting for Charlie and it should be here next week, right? It's been a month and I've been having dreams... FW here I come! Someone give this man a nanite injector he's low on high (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12658	Posted - 2014.08.07 02:22:00 - [10] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Ah, can't wait to download DUST again. Been waiting for Charlie and it should be here next week, right? It's been a month and I've been having dreams... FW here I come! Nice to see you comming back mate. I'll try to have some weekend FW events running over the next month or so. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1878	Posted - 2014.08.07 02:28:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. UMADBRO? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12660	Posted - 2014.08.07 02:30:00 - [12] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. UMADBRO? Very...... and also very disappointed...... but kind of okay with the 3x LP bonuses....... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 176	Posted - 2014.08.07 04:01:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12664	Posted - 2014.08.07 04:11:00 - [14] - Quote hold that wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast And you should not be able to do that. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 994	Posted - 2014.08.07 07:31:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: hold that wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast And you should not be able to do that. I get that you want that, but it will just be another backlash at the logistics players. No matter how you look at it, a good logi uses all equipment. Maybe one day CCP will figure out the support role . Look at some equipment from the LP store with the normal market, link it to the crap racial logi bonuses...every logi should get all LP equipment
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4476	Posted - 2014.08.07 08:14:00 - [16] - Quote I finally have a reason to use my 8, 30 day minmatar FW boosters :P Or my 5, 30 day Amarr FW boosters. I hope people actually start playing FW again after this. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 310	Posted - 2014.08.07 08:15:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ***** ridiculous. really... they got rid of ***** standings?! I'm SO done with this game it's not even funny now =/

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5175	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:10:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... Can you elaborate, there are obviously lots of feelings involved but I don't get the exact point. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15626	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:13:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... Can you elaborate, there are obviously lots of feelings involved but I don't get the exact point. As I understand it True and a small handful of others feel that you should have to commit to factions more, akin to how you have to sign into the militia in EVE. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1799	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:14:00 - [20] - Quote They are saying if you focus on amarr the Minmatar should refuse to accept you. Or at least lower your FW standing tillyar're buck to should refuse to accept you. Or at least lower your FW standing tillyar're back to level 1

medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 888	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:22:00 - [21] - Quote Too bad faction warfare takes forever to participate in. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 40	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:23:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... Can you elaborate, there are obviously lots of feelings involved but I don't get the exact point. He like many of the Amarr loyalists in this game is disappointed with the incredible lack of content the Amarr have in this game. Two rifles, One pistol, Four suits, No vehicles, No turrets, No heavy weapons, No AV weapons, One equipment, an underwhelming LP store. These aren't things that you can necessarily fix, but 1.8's "racial parity achieved" rings particularly hollow when some races are starving for content. I understand that most of the devs have been pulled to work on legion, but if you are ever in a meeting with them, please, please bring up patching dust with whatever weapons / vehicles / maps they have so there's some actual live play data. A large portion of the playerbases problem with CCP is their constant 'dropping' of projects after introduction, leaving the playerbase with stuff that is unfinished, buggy, or quite clearly broken - something that the current dev team in eve has spent two years trying to fix (and they've barely scratched the surface). Current examples in dust include dropship skill stacking and the current state of the amarr scout (plenty of feedback was given before the patch ever went live and it was ignored) I heard that the World of Darkness game hit alpha three(four?) separate times but was repeatedly scrapped by management. You've done a lot better in actually listening to the playerbase, but ultimately we're still left with a half-finished game that's in desperate need of actual content.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 40	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:27:00 - [23] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Too bad faction warfare takes forever to participate in. That's a symptom, not the problem itself. The actual problem has several layers : 1) The LP payouts are kind of terrible (this is getting a bit better) and losses mean you've wasted your time 2) The LP store is disproportionately expensive compared to isk and severely lacking in content and 3) Faction warfare is only really easy to win if you're either fighting nobodies, or you've got a minimum of two squads (containing four people each). Treat the problems, not the symptom.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12681	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:47:00 - [24] - Quote RKKR wrote: True Adamance wrote: hold that wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast And you should not be able to do that. I get that you want that, but it will just be another backlash at the logistics players. No matter how you look at it, a good logi uses all equipment. Maybe one day CCP will figure out the support role . Look at some equipment from the LP store with the normal market, link it to the crap racial logi bonuses...every logi should get all LP equipment Just because you are a logi does not give you the permission to be disloyal to every faction. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12681	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:52:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... Can you elaborate, there are obviously lots of feelings involved but I don't get the exact point. My point is that Factional Warfare is about loyalty, hence why you primary rewards are loyalty points. However those loyal actions for one faction affects the others perception of you. I do not feel that it makes any sense by any stretch of the imagination that a Faction organisation like the Imperial Guard would take on a mercenary with such ease as simply..... by toggling a button or selection option. It seems to me not enough emphasis is on being loyal.... players are just going to farm whatever they want....which in my mind wholly undermines the purpose of FW....and in Dust, unlike EVE we simply don't have to care because our actions have no consequences. Don't get me wrong I love the Lore and FW..... its why I play this game..... but I am one of few who either show loyalty.....or restrict myself in a specific way so as to enjoy the significance of FW. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12681	Posted - 2014.08.07 10:59:00 - [26] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: They are saying if you focus on amarr the Minmatar should refuse to accept you. Or at least lower your FW standing tillyar're buck to should refuse to accept you. Or at least lower your FW standing tillyar're back to level 1 Something like that...... I understand the premise that we are simple mercenaries...... but we have Public Contracts for "not caring" we should feel invested in the success of the Militia and the Faction we represent..... Our loyalty in this sense should not be as insignificant as "oh lookie here I need Nanite Injectors..... or maybe I should go for the Uplinks first.... once those are done I'll need those Gallente Tanks, and maybe then the rep tools...." I fear the emphasis in terms of meta is going to shift away from an "I fight for this Faction" Mindset and be subject to the Farmer Culture EVE FW suffers from. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5177	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:05:00 - [27] - Quote What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 994	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:06:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Just because you are a logi does not give you the permission to be disloyal to every faction. Toddler-level: Just because you want loyalty does not give you permission to make logi even more sucky compared to other classes. There is nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but not at this point. Imagine if there is a loyalty system: Every race has gun variants. Everyone can shoot with LP gear. Every race has suit variants. Everyone can run a suit with LP gear. Not every race has the same equipment variants. Not every logi can fulfill a support role with LP gear. Unless you want to claim that you can fulfill a good support role with only racial equipment? Nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but equipment/support role needs a (finally) overhaul if that's going to happen.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3691	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:13:00 - [29] - Quote Not really There is really no incentive to stick with one side and even then the best gear is just proto with a diff skin In EVE you can get a Caldari Navy Raven which is better than the standard Raven, in DUST you have nothing like that, you are basically playing for a discout and extra skin
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15627	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:21:00 - [30] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Not really There is really no incentive to stick with one side and even then the best gear is just proto with a diff skin In EVE you can get a Caldari Navy Raven which is better than the standard Raven, in DUST you have nothing like that, you are basically playing for a discout and extra skin Actually, there's Specialist gear that you can get with reduced fitting requirements. They're better than other weapons in that way. Also, the equipment is, in some cases, superior to ISK variants. You're quite right in saying there's little point in sticking with one side though. You can maintain standings at a net gain by playing the opposite sides alternatively. I know someone who has both Cal and Gal to standings 6. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12681	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:24:00 - [31] - Quote RKKR wrote: True Adamance wrote: Just because you are a logi does not give you the permission to be disloyal to every faction. Toddler-level: Just because you want loyalty does not give you permission to make logi even more sucky compared to other classes. There is nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but not at this point. Imagine if there is a loyalty system: Every race has gun variants. Everyone can shoot with LP gear. Every race has suit variants. Everyone can run a suit with LP gear. Not every race has the same equipment variants. Not every logi can fulfill a support role with LP gear. Unless you want to claim that you can fulfill a good support role with only racial equipment? Nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but equipment/support role needs a (finally) overhaul if that's going to happen. No you don't get it.... if the LOYALTY system does not inspire LOYALTY then it is fundamentally NOT ACHIEVING its purpose. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3826	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:27:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. Worth your time? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6534	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:28:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. There is a penalty, just it isn't exactly damaging. It's still 100% possible, given enough time and effort, to get perfect 10/10 standings with -all- factions. If I fight for Gallente against Caldari.. I gain a portion for Gallente and lose some for Caldari, but if I turn around and fight for the Caldari - I actually gain more than I lost in the first match. Thereby, I can continue doing this for ages until I've gotten perfect standings with both. It essentially takes the whole 'Loyalty Point' thing and flips it on it's head. It's not so much Loyalty as 'we're going to like you more if you undo the damage you just did in that last battle' repeatedly. Point in case (note that this was made -before- it was confirmed that we never go negative in standings) No More Excuses
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 994	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:37:00 - [34] - Quote True Adamance wrote: [quote=RKKR] No you don't get it.... if the LOYALTY system does not inspire LOYALTY then it is fundamentally NOT ACHIEVING its purpose. Do you really think that logis will not use equipment of other races? They will be better of playing pub games because the ISK cost of logis will be too high compared to other classes that can afford to run full LP-gear. And if you don't like that: It makes no sense that one race specialized a certain suit (like the scout suits) and other races made one aswell, but they are too ******** to invent a racial variants of equipment. FW will be so unbalanced due other racial gear being much better unless they want to throw away their ISK. Loyality is nice in an ideal world, but this is still a game (which is far from ideal) + CCP just wants to up the participation numbers to go up...they are not going to give disadvantages to a certain race/class because people will just play pubs.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12684	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:37:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. And while turning FW into Farmville will certainly get numbers up.....you sacrifice what is at the core to achieve it. Don't get me wrong I appreciate what you are doing.... thank you very much for looking into FW.... but I am just concerned. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12686	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:42:00 - [36] - Quote RKKR wrote: True Adamance wrote: [quote=RKKR] No you don't get it.... if the LOYALTY system does not inspire LOYALTY then it is fundamentally NOT ACHIEVING its purpose. Do you really think that logis will not use equipment of other races? They will be better of playing pub games because the ISK cost of logis will be too high compared to other classes that can afford to run full LP-gear. And if you don't like that: It makes no sense that one race specialized a certain suit (like the scout suits) and other races made one aswell, but they are too ******** to invent a racial variants of equipment. FW will be so unbalanced due other racial gear being much better unless they want to throw away their ISK. Loyality is nice in an ideal world, but this is still a game (which is far from ideal) + CCP just wants to up the participation numbers to go up...they are not going to give disadvantages to a certain race/class because people will just play pubs. That's a fair point.... in Dust without a market you have to pander to people this way..... with a market however that LP gear is available to everyone. It really doesn't matter what I say.....EVE gives me what I want from New Eden and Dust.....just doesn't....and it sad because I loved FW when LP was but and afterthought and players joined factions simply to support them. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 995	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:51:00 - [37] - Quote True Adamance wrote: That's a fair point.... in Dust without a market you have to pander to people this way..... with a market however that LP gear is available to everyone. It really doesn't matter what I say.....EVE gives me what I want from New Eden and Dust.....just doesn't....and it sad because I loved FW when LP was but and afterthought and players joined factions simply to support them. Haven't played EVE, but yeah it looks like DUST could be made a lot more interesting, but I'm not sure if it will ever happen with the direction it is going in now.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3691	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:53:00 - [38] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Not really There is really no incentive to stick with one side and even then the best gear is just proto with a diff skin In EVE you can get a Caldari Navy Raven which is better than the standard Raven, in DUST you have nothing like that, you are basically playing for a discout and extra skin Actually, there's Specialist gear that you can get with reduced fitting requirements. They're better than other weapons in that way. Also, the equipment is, in some cases, superior to ISK variants. You're quite right in saying there's little point in sticking with one side though. You can maintain standings at a net gain by playing the opposite sides alternatively. I know someone who has both Cal and Gal to standings 6. Only specalist gear for infantry Nothing for vehicles or turrets Its not balanced, so for me as a vehicle pilot there is nothing for me, i cant even get a faction ADS
Litany 0f Fury Revolution of Evil Henchmen 21	Posted - 2014.08.07 11:56:00 - [39] - Quote Why do we not have it so that Loyalty standing effects the price of items? LP items and /or isk versions. With positive and negative effects depending on your standings. Money is the best motivator Commando 'till i die... then another commando Beta / / Stephenius
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 396	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:02:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: hold that wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast And you should not be able to do that. well you should be able to do that just not doing it with FW. Really wish we had that player market.

Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 396	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:04:00 - [41] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Not really There is really no incentive to stick with one side and even then the best gear is just proto with a diff skin In EVE you can get a Caldari Navy Raven which is better than the standard Raven, in DUST you have nothing like that, you are basically playing for a discout and extra skin Actually, there's Specialist gear that you can get with reduced fitting requirements. They're better than other weapons in that way. Also, the equipment is, in some cases, superior to ISK variants. You're quite right in saying there's little point in sticking with one side though. You can maintain standings at a net gain by playing the opposite sides alternatively. I know someone who has both Cal and Gal to standings 6. Only specalist gear for infantry Nothing for vehicles or turrets Its not balanced, so for me as a vehicle pilot there is nothing for me, i cant even get a faction ADS So go moan at CCP. They can add the stuff without needing a client patch cos they added skills and stuff. I would like an LP commando from the gallente LP store but i doubt i'll see it on this game.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3691	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:07:00 - [42] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Not really There is really no incentive to stick with one side and even then the best gear is just proto with a diff skin In EVE you can get a Caldari Navy Raven which is better than the standard Raven, in DUST you have nothing like that, you are basically playing for a discout and extra skin Actually, there's Specialist gear that you can get with reduced fitting requirements. They're better than other weapons in that way. Also, the equipment is, in some cases, superior to ISK variants. You're quite right in saying there's little point in sticking with one side though. You can maintain standings at a net gain by playing the opposite sides alternatively. I know someone who has both Cal and Gal to standings 6. Only specalist gear for infantry Nothing for vehicles or turrets Its not balanced, so for me as a vehicle pilot there is nothing for me, i cant even get a faction ADS So go moan at CCP. They can add the stuff without needing a client patch cos they added skills and stuff. I would like an LP commando from the gallente LP store but i doubt i'll see it on this game. They can add stuff for a dying game Yea no
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:30:00 - [43] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. Worth your time? Doesn't that just tell all? We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. - CCP Dev
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6535	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:31:00 - [44] - Quote IMO, FW needs a full fledged market - regardless of race (some modules being unavailable, as someone mentioned equipment specifically) Either that or simply have ISK rewards. /shrug No More Excuses
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 397	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:32:00 - [45] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Not really There is really no incentive to stick with one side and even then the best gear is just proto with a diff skin In EVE you can get a Caldari Navy Raven which is better than the standard Raven, in DUST you have nothing like that, you are basically playing for a discout and extra skin Actually, there's Specialist gear that you can get with reduced fitting requirements. They're better than other weapons in that way. Also, the equipment is, in some cases, superior to ISK variants. You're quite right in saying there's little point in sticking with one side though. You can maintain standings at a net gain by playing the opposite sides alternatively. I know someone who has both Cal and Gal to standings 6. Only specalist gear for infantry Nothing for vehicles or turrets Its not balanced, so for me as a vehicle pilot there is nothing for me, i cant even get a faction ADS So go moan at CCP. They can add the stuff without needing a client patch cos they added skills and stuff. I would like an LP commando from the gallente LP store but i doubt i'll see it on this game. They can add stuff for a dying game Yea no Then why do you insist on coming on the forums and complaining? It's not constructive and makes you look like an ass.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5183	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:33:00 - [46] - Quote Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 397	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:40:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. I would rather you made the game better than add variants of items obviously, just if you get the chance to add stuff to the FW market is it possible you could add the missing suits?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3695	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:42:00 - [48] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Then why do you insist on coming on the forums and complaining? It's not constructive and makes you look like an ass. Letting ppl know that specialized items which have lower PG/CPU values are available for infantry but not for vehicles - Not constructive Knowing that will not add items to FW LP store because dead game - Its a fact lol Better than being a CCP defender
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1431	Posted - 2014.08.07 12:45:00 - [49] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Also https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169519&find=unread I hope you don't plan on buying anything but prototype light weapons and prototype dropsuits. I hope you didn't spend too much time on that spreadsheet Aero, I could have just given you the ability to edit mine to save you that time (hasn't been updated in 4 months and isn't as pretty, but, oh well). Glad to see someone else (someone with some clout with CCP) discussing the disparity in LP per isk values (in relation to modules in particular). If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6535	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:35:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. Obviously, but it's a chicken or the egg sort of thing, in my eyes. Have to understand that players aren't going to flock over to Faction Warfare if they can't recover the losses of the suits and gear that they do use in FW. I use Gallente Commandos, which aren't available on -any- market. That reason, crossed with excessive wait times (10+ minutes) makes me want to just play pub matches instead of trying to get into FW when I'm going to have to inevitable go -back- to pub matches to cover the suit anyway. So, it comes down to what do we do first? Hope that FW gets more players to justify adding new items, or adding new items in hope that it encourages more players? What we -cant- do, however, is sit idly by and not look at some of the key factors that are weighing on why players don't participate more in FW. LP rewards are being increased, that's a good start, but it's fruitless if it only covers a handful of gear. Bearing in mind that (I don't know if this is true, just what I've heard) that ferroscale and reactive plates aren't available on the Gallente LP store... You're kinda limited in your fitting, on top of what suits can be used, on top of what weapons can be used. As I said in my previous post, the only real way out of this is to add ISK rewards and justify the partial loss of gear and allow players to at least recover -some- of the losses with LP and -some- of the losses with ISK. It's probably no small change, I understand completely, but it is something to consider as opposed to making a whole market's worth of new items, at least in the meantime. No More Excuses

Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 660	Posted - 2014.08.07 13:55:00 - [51] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The patchnotes just got dropped like a bomb and im happy to see that we are getting 3 times more LP which means i can actually make complete fits from the FW store without running tons of matches in a row. You'll see alot more people going after that cause all the gear requires less skills to use and some of it have better fitting. only stuff worth getting from the LP stores are the unique equipment and specialist proto weapons which have the betetr fitting reqs. will be worth running an FW booster too now, still not worth actually playign the matches though and just afk'in them but still. nice to get more reward Rolling with the punches
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8960	Posted - 2014.08.07 16:47:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. You don't lose nearly as much standing as you gain when fighting for the enemy, so you can get to level 10 standing in two factions and level 9 in the other two, theoretically. Also how do you expect to see FW participation numbers go up in the first place when there is so much missing gear? Gear for dropsuits or weapons that tons of people use? You expect them to get invested in FW before adding their items? Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 260	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:26:00 - [53] - Quote Hello all, just throw in my little bit, I have more than enough isk to fund my playstyle across all my various methods. I have no problems going isk positive when i feel the need to earn more. I am already at proto level on nearly all of my various items and suits that i enjoy using. Most of my corp mates don't don't really bother with fw Here is my issue, i would like to be interested in fw but i really have no need to be, i haven't even played fw for a good long while now unless somebody in squad wants to. things that would interest me would be: 1.Playing fw making an actual in game difference to space, not just a slight adjustment on the star map. e.g. needing to capture territory akin to p.c battles, when a faction has the area the opposing faction(s) should need to regroup or at least adjust plans to recapture etc. 2.FW events. (not particularly for sp, lp or isk) pointed towards the factional goals. e.g week 1, gallente captures a large chunk of amarrian space, caldari being their allies and at war with gallente decide to help counter attack- event = . caldari players try to capture as much area as possible in week 2 before the gallente forces arrive to reinforce. . gallente players need to hold as much as possible for week 2 for their forces to arrive so they can push onwards after .amarr will also push for a recapture from a different side . minmatar (not too sure on their lore, but they will either aid the gallente or be trying to earn salvage from weakened war torn areas at a guess) There could also be capture certain strategic areas/planets for each faction. i.e some lore built into the game, reasons for these attacks and defends a goal to be achieved etc. 3. Factional warfare titles as suggested elsewhere for each race, i would also suggest that these titles be the rewards that can be earned during the fw events in number 2. 4. loyalty to a faction, i think that if we could bring in those titles, they would be a great way to inspire loyalty with a faction especially combined with the factional goals, fighting for an opposing faction could earn demotions, with earning enough wp for the promotions but only during the events. (but fighting for allies not having a negative effect?) If no players are joining for the events they could either slowly lose their titles or you could just make sure that the rewards are good enough, e.g bonus stats on lp items, or extra sp in fw events.. Basically as we won't be getting a pve mode i think that we should use fw as a lore themed pvp alternative. this would make me think about playing it more often. having the lp store would be a good way to stop the lore driven fw having an effect on players pub/corp battles. Thoughts?
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 996	Posted - 2014.08.07 18:07:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. I'm just wondering...how do you guys decide what the majority wants/needs and what you focus on first? is following the majority the right thing to do?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12693	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:05:00 - [55] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. You don't lose nearly as much standing as you gain when fighting for the enemy, so you can get to level 10 standing in two factions and level 9 in the other two, theoretically. Also how do you expect to see FW participation numbers go up in the first place when there is so much missing gear? Gear for dropsuits or weapons that tons of people use? You expect them to get invested in FW before adding their items? I know this affects me quite significantly. I would have had 80,000+ Amarr FW LP prior to Fanfest, my intent was to wait out the storm and use it to buy Amarr HAV since I am primarily an HAV operator. We know nothing eventuated from Fanfest and so I had 80,000 LP and nothing to spend it on...... however if I had been a Caldari of Gal Mil HAV operator I would be rolling in Tanks...... even if I could it might take 1-2 HAV to win the match and the ones I buy back from LP store are no different to those I lose....... just significantly more expensive. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 823	Posted - 2014.08.08 09:55:00 - [56] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. WORTH YOUR TIME????? I thought your time was meant to be spent on the game but obviously I was incorrect. You "haven't played FW in a long time" and do not even bother to ask someone in the office with you what the basic mechanics are before you deem it not worth your time. Did you even stop to think that participation numbers were due to the fact that over half the items are missing leaving a random assortment of players who actually benefit from it in the smallest way? What about the fact that half the player base has no idea what factional warfare even is or how any of it works? Why would factional be worth any players time when they can hardly get their primary suit and 1/4th of the fitting? Simply put LP items are not extra content they are copy / paste of AUR items and calling them otherwise is only making excuses. Faction warfare is the only reason I log in anymore and why I have a channel with more than 50 players logged in to it by 1 EST every day. Faction warfare is why I went back to spending money on this game. AND THE KICKER..... faction warfare is why I got EVE and have spent real money there as well along with a few other corp mates that did the same because it is the only way to find any fun in this game. Congrats.... for myself and a minimum of 20 other players that I play with every day, you just managed to go from hero to zero!
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 42	Posted - 2014.08.08 11:59:00 - [57] - Quote ^Lets not have a kneejerk reaction to his post. When he means 'worth their time' there's a silent implication that relates to the prioritization of other gameplay elements versus the prioritization of 'fixing' facwar. I for one would like the removed vehicle variants to return more than facwar to be 'fixed', Though I do still greatly want facwar to be fixed. I would like for some of the planned legion content (is there any?) to be trialed in dust - most particularly any and all amarr weapons, as our race is desperately in need of it.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 824	Posted - 2014.08.08 18:24:00 - [58] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: ^Lets not have a kneejerk reaction to his post. When he means 'worth their time' there's a silent implication that relates to the prioritization of other gameplay elements versus the prioritization of 'fixing' facwar. I for one would like the removed vehicle variants to return more than facwar to be 'fixed', Though I do still greatly want facwar to be fixed. I would like for some of the planned legion content (is there any?) to be trialed in dust - most particularly any and all amarr weapons, as our race is desperately in need of it. No one is talking about some crazy fix to FW matchmaking or Q times or anything else that is broken about it. Simply copying and pasting existing elements to the LP store could be done in no time. There is some form of every suit, module, and weapon category in one of the stores so the pricing structure is already in place as well. Meanwhile it is more important to create and balance an officer weapon that most in the game will only ever see 3 of in the next several months after it comes out and few will even be able to use it. Call it a kneejerk reaction if you want but something is seriously flawed in that logic. EDIT: Only when most of a fitting can be made from the LP store will FW play go up. The payout change was well needed and great for the players already in FW but does nothing for increasing player count.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3895	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:54:00 - [59] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: The dark cloud wrote: The patchnotes just got dropped like a bomb and im happy to see that we are getting 3 times more LP which means i can actually make complete fits from the FW store without running tons of matches in a row. You'll see alot more people going after that cause all the gear requires less skills to use and some of it have better fitting. only stuff worth getting from the LP stores are the unique equipment and specialist proto weapons which have the betetr fitting reqs. will be worth running an FW booster too now, still not worth actually playign the matches though and just afk'in them but still. nice to get more reward Wrong with the hotfix its actually better to get proto suits, weapons and certain equipments for LP. Simply cause when you win you probs get around 1300LP even with low standings. Now with that you could buy 13 boundless republic HMG's (100LP each) which have a ISK worth of 47.200 ISK. So 13 of those HMG's would be equal to 613.600 ISK. And that is by far much more then you could earn in a regular skirmish pub match. Then you factor in that you could Q-sync 2 squads and you have a vending machine for proto equipment. However some stuff like shield extenders or armor plates are too expensive in the LP store compared to their ISK variants. Like a complex shield extender costs 75LP but only 4.500 ISK on the regular market. So combining cheap ISK items with proto suits and weapons from the LP store can be quite cost efficent. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
DaNizzle4shizle New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 891	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:55:00 - [60] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The patchnotes just got dropped like a bomb and im happy to see that we are getting 3 times more LP which means i can actually make complete fits from the FW store without running tons of matches in a row. You'll see alot more people going after that cause all the gear requires less skills to use and some of it have better fitting. something we really agree about =^.^= Desire means never quit. -New Age Empire. Director of logistics and recruitment. ,msg me in game. #QQRoman

DaNizzle4shizle New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 895	Posted - 2014.08.08 19:56:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. when are you guys adding all the racial scouts and heavies to the LP market? Desire means never quit. -New Age Empire. Director of logistics and recruitment. ,msg me in game. #QQRoman
Vitoka79 from SVK Until thee End RISE of LEGION 102	Posted - 2014.08.08 21:10:00 - [62] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. WORTH YOUR TIME????? I thought your time was meant to be spent on the game but obviously I was incorrect. You "haven't played FW in a long time" and do not even bother to ask someone in the office with you what the basic mechanics are before you deem it not worth your time. Did you even stop to think that participation numbers were due to the fact that over half the items are missing leaving a random assortment of players who actually benefit from it in the smallest way? What about the fact that half the player base has no idea what factional warfare even is or how any of it works? Why would factional be worth any players time when they can hardly get their primary suit and 1/4th of the fitting? Simply put LP items are not extra content they are copy / paste of AUR items and calling them otherwise is only making excuses. Faction warfare is the only reason I log in anymore and why I have a channel with more than 50 players logged in to it by 1 EST every day. Faction warfare is why I went back to spending money on this game. AND THE KICKER..... faction warfare is why I got EVE and have spent real money there as well along with a few other corp mates that did the same because it is the only way to find any fun in this game. Congrats.... for myself and a minimum of 20 other players that I play with every day, you just managed to go from hero to zero! I feel you bro.I'm sick of pub matches.When i go to FW i wanna win,i get the adrenalin.Its the only game mode outside of PC where i go proto.And sometimes i pay people 200k ISK per game to motivate them. DUST 514 open market?Rest in pieces...
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 662	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:14:00 - [63] - Quote Please put the word NOW....at the end of the word INTERESTING in the subject line, please. That $hit be rucking with my dyslexia. Blue Milk: Popular in Cantinas among those who can't hold their juri juice. R.I.P. BENDECCO. 1970 - 2014.
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4045	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:18:00 - [64] - Quote True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah I hate that. Inb4butwearemercs. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
RendonaSix Tech Dungeon Of Servility 228	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:18:00 - [65] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah I hate that. Inb4butwearemercs. But we are mercs. Amarr scout before it was cool.
TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 4047	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:20:00 - [66] - Quote But we are mercs>Any and all logic in dust. Especially when it comes to immersion. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 927	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:39:00 - [67] - Quote I think there is better competition in FW, at least there was last time I tried it, but I won't even queue it up because of 10 minute deploy times, ** payouts (should get more LP & ISK), ** LP Store, the fact that you aren't rewarded more for loyalty or penalized more for treachery, lack of TK insta-kick, no diversity in Faction battles (GvM, CvA?), etc. All just to play Skirmish? On the same maps and sockets? Where's my motivation? Give me 1 GOOD reason. (*Hint: You don't have one.) Who farted?
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 142	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:40:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings? Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %. Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. yes there is a decrease in standings however it is so small it is of no consequence a lot of people don't participate due to the lack of items (still waiting for cal scout),you can't honestly expect someone to get involved in such a unforgiving game mode when their faction doesn't even provide their dropsuit, especially when facing a q sync. And i'm not saying remove the ability to q sync, that is the only way to play a organised battle w/o owning a pc district. If you decide to remove the ability to q sync at least bring corp battles back "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 303	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:46:00 - [69] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: The patchnotes just got dropped like a bomb and im happy to see that we are getting 3 times more LP which means i can actually make complete fits from the FW store without running tons of matches in a row. You'll see alot more people going after that cause all the gear requires less skills to use and some of it have better fitting. indeed im a happy little logibunny > LogiBro in Training
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3851	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:53:00 - [70] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: I think there is better competition in FW, at least there was last time I tried it, but I won't even queue it up because of 10 minute deploy times, ** payouts (should get more LP & ISK), ** LP Store, the fact that you aren't rewarded more for loyalty or penalized more for treachery, lack of TK insta-kick, no diversity in Faction battles (GvM, CvA?), etc. All just to play Skirmish? On the same maps and sockets? Where's my motivation? Give me 1 GOOD reason. (*Hint: You don't have one.) Why would allies fight each other? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3851	Posted - 2014.08.09 14:58:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. You should know by now we're pretty damn serious about the lack of stuff I'm the game. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 111	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:13:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: RKKR wrote: True Adamance wrote: Just because you are a logi does not give you the permission to be disloyal to every faction. Toddler-level: Just because you want loyalty does not give you permission to make logi even more sucky compared to other classes. There is nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but not at this point. Imagine if there is a loyalty system: Every race has gun variants. Everyone can shoot with LP gear. Every race has suit variants. Everyone can run a suit with LP gear. Not every race has the same equipment variants. Not every logi can fulfill a support role with LP gear. Unless you want to claim that you can fulfill a good support role with only racial equipment? Nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but equipment/support role needs a (finally) overhaul if that's going to happen. No you don't get it.... if the LOYALTY system does not inspire LOYALTY then it is fundamentally NOT ACHIEVING its purpose. you mean like smart spawn? your giving the name too much credit Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 268	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:19:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. How about a market for the players to trade in... That benefits everyone... I want to make money selling Thales back to the redzone snipers... & then complain that people keep supplying them with more Thales, lol.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 276	Posted - 2014.08.10 16:20:00 - [74] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand. How about a market for the players to trade in... That benefits everyone... I want to make money selling Thales back to the redzone snipers... & then complain that people keep supplying them with more Thales, lol.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 331	Posted - 2014.08.10 16:48:00 - [75] - Quote Well considering I run Caldari suits I'll probably continue to ignore FW lol. Maybe since standings won't matter i'll jump on Gallente side for some madrugar and assault rifle easy LP but eh. Wasn't much reason in the old system to play FW if you are chronically on the losing team. I figure this update was mostly to actually encourage more players to bother with FW.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 184	Posted - 2014.08.10 17:17:00 - [76] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: True Adamance wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: True Adamance wrote: This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... Can you elaborate, there are obviously lots of feelings involved but I don't get the exact point. if this hasnt already been answered is, you should not be able to fight for all 4 factions and effectively afford the LP items from each factions without losing SIGNIFICANT standing for the oposing factions i.e fighting for the Gal AR should drastcally decrease your ablity to fight and earn LP for Cal but it doesnt same for Amarr/Min. This breaks the FW LP setup because you can fight for all groups without any nnoticable negative reprecussons I used a minigun when it behaved like laz0rs now i see fake fatties makes and it me so very sad cant even 1v1 my adv fit
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3900	Posted - 2014.08.10 17:22:00 - [77] - Quote The problem that people are complaining about is that there is no way to get your standings below 0 (neutral). Currently we can get our standings up to 10 which is the best possible however on eve you can aswell get a negative standing of -10 which means that a faction will be hostile to you. On dust this would mean the higher your negative standing the lower the LP payout. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"


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