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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:42:00 -
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This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 00:51:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Also https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169519&find=unreadI hope you don't plan on buying anything but prototype light weapons and prototype dropsuits.
I might buy the Plates and Reppers.......
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 01:02:00 -
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Mr Hakyou wrote:True Adamance wrote:This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that.
Yes but its not even about lore or equipment......
Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction...
Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness.....
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 02:22:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Ah, can't wait to download DUST again. Been waiting for Charlie and it should be here next week, right? It's been a month and I've been having dreams... FW here I come!
Nice to see you comming back mate. I'll try to have some weekend FW events running over the next month or so.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 02:30:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:True Adamance wrote:This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. UMADBRO? 
Very...... and also very disappointed...... but kind of okay with the 3x LP bonuses.......
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 04:11:00 -
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hold that wrote:True Adamance wrote:This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast
And you should not be able to do that.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 10:47:00 -
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RKKR wrote:True Adamance wrote:hold that wrote:True Adamance wrote:This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. yeah i play all 4 now to load up my master monster logi fit = proto min logi gal ar cal needle cal hive amarr uplink min rep tool beast And you should not be able to do that. I get that you want that, but it will just be another backlash at the logistics players. No matter how you look at it, a good logi uses all equipment. Maybe one day CCP will figure out the support role  . Look at some equipment from the LP store with the normal market, link it to the crap racial logi bonuses...every logi should get all LP equipment
Just because you are a logi does not give you the permission to be disloyal to every faction.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 10:52:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:True Adamance wrote:Mr Hakyou wrote:True Adamance wrote:This is all well and good.... but the fact that Standing and Militia status is not in the game just means it lacks any real meaning.....when one player can run 100 Min FW matches then go Amarr for another to get Uplinks....... to be used against the Amarr...... its ******* ridiculous. Yeah... but for some people it's more about the equipment. I'm not sure what Militia status means, but if it means that if you play for the opposing side then you lose about 200 standings for the other side, then I'm all for that. Yes but its not even about lore or equipment...... Its about the loyalty aspect. You shouldnt be able to buy anything from the loyalty stores without significant investment of time and effort into a faction... Its a model like this that wholly undermines the premise of FW and bring Dusts farmer culture to whole new levels of scrubbiness..... Can you elaborate, there are obviously lots of feelings involved but I don't get the exact point.
My point is that Factional Warfare is about loyalty, hence why you primary rewards are loyalty points. However those loyal actions for one faction affects the others perception of you.
I do not feel that it makes any sense by any stretch of the imagination that a Faction organisation like the Imperial Guard would take on a mercenary with such ease as simply..... by toggling a button or selection option.
It seems to me not enough emphasis is on being loyal.... players are just going to farm whatever they want....which in my mind wholly undermines the purpose of FW....and in Dust, unlike EVE we simply don't have to care because our actions have no consequences.
Don't get me wrong I love the Lore and FW..... its why I play this game..... but I am one of few who either show loyalty.....or restrict myself in a specific way so as to enjoy the significance of FW.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 10:59:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:They are saying if you focus on amarr the Minmatar should refuse to accept you. Or at least lower your FW standing tillyar're buck to
should refuse to accept you. Or at least lower your FW standing tillyar're back to level 1
Something like that......
I understand the premise that we are simple mercenaries...... but we have Public Contracts for "not caring" we should feel invested in the success of the Militia and the Faction we represent.....
Our loyalty in this sense should not be as insignificant as "oh lookie here I need Nanite Injectors..... or maybe I should go for the Uplinks first.... once those are done I'll need those Gallente Tanks, and maybe then the rep tools...."
I fear the emphasis in terms of meta is going to shift away from an "I fight for this Faction" Mindset and be subject to the Farmer Culture EVE FW suffers from.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 11:24:00 -
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RKKR wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Just because you are a logi does not give you the permission to be disloyal to every faction.
Toddler-level: Just because you want loyalty does not give you permission to make logi even more sucky compared to other classes.  There is nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but not at this point. Imagine if there is a loyalty system: Every race has gun variants. Everyone can shoot with LP gear. Every race has suit variants. Everyone can run a suit with LP gear. Not every race has the same equipment variants. Not every logi can fulfill a support role with LP gear. Unless you want to claim that you can fulfill a good support role with only racial equipment? Nothing wrong with a loyalty system, but equipment/support role needs a (finally) overhaul if that's going to happen.
No you don't get it.... if the LOYALTY system does not inspire LOYALTY then it is fundamentally NOT ACHIEVING its purpose.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 11:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings?
Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %.
Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time.
And while turning FW into Farmville will certainly get numbers up.....you sacrifice what is at the core to achieve it.
Don't get me wrong I appreciate what you are doing.... thank you very much for looking into FW.... but I am just concerned.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 11:42:00 -
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RKKR wrote:True Adamance wrote:[quote=RKKR]
No you don't get it.... if the LOYALTY system does not inspire LOYALTY then it is fundamentally NOT ACHIEVING its purpose. Do you really think that logis will not use equipment of other races? They will be better of playing pub games because the ISK cost of logis will be too high compared to other classes that can afford to run full LP-gear. And if you don't like that: It makes no sense that one race specialized a certain suit (like the scout suits) and other races made one aswell, but they are too ******** to invent a racial variants of equipment. FW will be so unbalanced due other racial gear being much better unless they want to throw away their ISK. Loyality is nice in an ideal world, but this is still a game (which is far from ideal) + CCP just wants to up the participation numbers to go up...they are not going to give disadvantages to a certain race/class because people will just play pubs.
That's a fair point.... in Dust without a market you have to pander to people this way..... with a market however that LP gear is available to everyone.
It really doesn't matter what I say.....EVE gives me what I want from New Eden and Dust.....just doesn't....and it sad because I loved FW when LP was but and afterthought and players joined factions simply to support them.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:05:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:What was the thing about Militia and Standard Standings?
Honestly, I haven't played FW in a long time, but isn't there a decrease in standings by playing for the other Factions. It should and it's something we can take a look at, if there is a fixed amount setting or a %.
Extra content, you probably know as well as I do that we don't have it. We can add new LP items, but we need to see FW participation numbers go up to make it worth our time. You don't lose nearly as much standing as you gain when fighting for the enemy, so you can get to level 10 standing in two factions and level 9 in the other two, theoretically. Also how do you expect to see FW participation numbers go up in the first place when there is so much missing gear? Gear for dropsuits or weapons that tons of people use? You expect them to get invested in FW before adding their items?
I know this affects me quite significantly.
I would have had 80,000+ Amarr FW LP prior to Fanfest, my intent was to wait out the storm and use it to buy Amarr HAV since I am primarily an HAV operator.
We know nothing eventuated from Fanfest and so I had 80,000 LP and nothing to spend it on...... however if I had been a Caldari of Gal Mil HAV operator I would be rolling in Tanks...... even if I could it might take 1-2 HAV to win the match and the ones I buy back from LP store are no different to those I lose....... just significantly more expensive.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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