You see sir, what you need to do in this situation is call a dropship on top of them. I have an ADS, so I call one on some of them, then go to slaying.

The zoom on the Thales is so great that you need to be far away. On that particular map the redline is the perfect spot to use a Thales from.

Yea i agree stop scruby sniping from the redline no risk high reward

But what about sniping scrubby snipers INTO the redline? I think I just cooked up a countersniper sentinel fit in my brain.

Expect to be able to cook bacon in the inferno caused by me thinking again.

This has been talked about since closed beta.. But snipers suck compared to back then.. Back then a charge sniper was std and could 1 shot any heavy... Broken DMG mods on a cal logi.. I agree with you but in a way they have fixed it by a lot..

Please keep in mind that this game needs snipers just like any other role, just not redline snipers.

So what am i supposed to do when nyain san brings in a squad? Fight? In my one advanced logi suit with a basic rail gun while they are smashing our team with super scouts from hell? Getting wasted as i spawn in? Noty. Matches like that when u can't take 2 steps without a scout alakazaming out of nowhere and blowing you away, i'm gonna snipe. I'll take that milita sniper rifle any day and you can find me deep in the bowels of the red line getting 1-3 kills max. Ill cheer you on though because i'm a good guy.

Umm no. Dust only needs the sniper to kill the redline vagina's. The sniper's role in this game is pretty useless when it comes to objectives now. (It WAS very usefull when PC started) Now not so much.

I'd take 5 infantry over 20 snipers any day. Snipers dont win games.

Umm no. Dust only needs the sniper to kill the redline vagina's. The sniper's role in this game is pretty useless when it comes to objectives now. (It WAS very usefull when PC started) Now not so much.

I'd take 5 infantry over 20 snipers any day. Snipers dont win games.

Redline snipers don't, infield sniping can cause a world of problems in the sniper knows that intel is also his role.

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So what am i supposed to do when nyain san brings in a squad? Fight? In my one advanced logi suit with a basic rail gun while they are smashing our team with super scouts from hell? Getting wasted as i spawn in? Noty. Matches like that when u can't take 2 steps without a scout alakazaming out of nowhere and blowing you away, i'm gonna snipe. I'll take that milita sniper rifle any day and you can find me deep in the bowels of the red line getting 1-3 kills max. Ill cheer you on though because i'm a good guy.

How about removing the redline entirely? Both teams completely share the map, and can go wherever the raspberries go

So what am i supposed to do when nyain san brings in a squad? Fight? In my one advanced logi suit with a basic rail gun while they are smashing our team with super scouts from hell? Getting wasted as i spawn in? Noty. Matches like that when u can't take 2 steps without a scout alakazaming out of nowhere and blowing you away, i'm gonna snipe. I'll take that milita sniper rifle any day and you can find me deep in the bowels of the red line getting 1-3 kills max. Ill cheer you on though because i'm a good guy.

1.So the problem is that snipers were all nerfed to hell and back. meaning that they don't have the opportunity to be anything other than a non factor.

2. unfortunately it's the people like lightning mouse here who have caused quite so many problems, you see the dedicated snipers do it because it's the game that they enjoy playing and the best positions are frequently in the red line. even if the red line got completely removed they would still use the same positions. whereas the "usually ground troops" do it Because of the protection. as for the answer to that question lightning mouse, you either fight the good fight as it were or leave battle and get a different match which will be more fun, this is a game remember.

snipers are not really that bad, if it takes 1 shot to kill my scout 2 shots for my medium suit and 2 or 3 shots for my commando depending on the gun/damage mods. Do you want a OHK on more suits from extreme range? occasionally i will get out the c-15a sniper rifle and if i as non dedicated sniper can do well enough with it i see nothing wrong with its damage. being that any 'dedicated' sniper will be using a proto gun and will have maxed proficiency they should be doing alot better than me.

that being said not all maps suit sniping and there are not always ideal places to snipe from on those which are more suited to it. For those maps which don't suit sniping there is a rather simple solution, be useful and join the ground an pound. for more open maps unless your using your Thales ( with the better scope and rarity) be more dynamic and move with the battle. yes you may die but moving about to support your team will get you more WP's and appreciation from your team

I hate to say it, but this game punishes you for dying. I don't get upset with having 8 redline snipers on my side I just join them, why? Because, more than likely they would be useless on the frontline anyways, blame matchmaking.

The biggest thing and hardest thing, in my opinion, in this game to learn is to "Know when to hold them, and know when to fold them." I still screw this up sometimes but you will be better off in the long run albeit is less fun. A vote surrender option would be nice but don't count on CCP to do anything more than tweak values in these hotfixes.

What you are ignoring about the 8 bad snipers in your redline.... time and time again they turn out to be just as bad at frontlining and although this will end the match faster lowering the clone count, most players don't want to keep dying and get punished isk wise or in the very least meta wise on kd/r.

The best way I have found to play is to match your team's enthusiasm.

If they are getting into the nitty gritty you get your ass in there. If they are all hanging back just prepare to fail and either sneak around killing lone redberries or hang way back with the rest sniping in one way or another.

As everyone prides about this game, it's a team based and gear based shooter. If you are outmanned and outgunned just accept your fate and join the rest of the redline snipers until the match ends.

You just look like an ******* when you troll your team.

this is why they need to remove time based isk. isk should all be based on WP's only. I personally don't care about K/D i just try and try for my team. if i get 1300 WP on a battle where we get rolled over and the next persona gets 500 then 235 ect. which has happenes why do they deserve a reward for sitting in the battle and either sniping or MCC sitting?

If i get half or one third of the teams total points i deserve that proportion of the money. i have risked they have not

My NT-511 on a level 3 with prof 3 sniper caldari commando and one adv light mod (Pretty cheap fit at like 17k) can one shot head shot anything but sentinels and proto shield based caldari medium tanks. If its a light suit it's dead. If it's a medium suit that isn't a dual tank caldari proto it's also dead. Most commandos also drop unless they are shield heavy. The headshot bonus combined with the inherent armor bonus wrecks armor based suits. The Dual tanks just take a headshot + body shot. It's really all about the headshots. If they are moving too much to get a headshot, they can't retaliate. If they can, you are too close to them. My Thales or charged sniper is something I pull out for when you have the sentinel coward proto bears in the red line. Still I maintain the biggest issue is the head glitching. This renders any counter sniping impossible. I'm like a broken record when it comes to head glitching, but it is what it is. Can't snipe em and they can snipe you... it's a problem and it probably will never be fixed.

Ok, so I played a domination game a few minutes ago and it was the bridge map. After the enemy team took the objective my team started sniping from the red line. I hacked the objective and got shot by a Commando Ck.0 with a Thales. I fly up to him in my dropship (he was stupid enough to sit there) and I killed him. I spawn back in base because the timer ran out and I count 7, yes 7 people sniping in the redline. This was my team.

Please CCP make it so that you cannot get any WP or kills from the redline. This is really starting to become a problem when almost 50% of your team is doing this. This is not the first time I've seen this either. It's really gamebreaking when we're trying to fix this game. Please keep in mind that this game needs snipers just like any other role, just not redline snipers.

this is why they need to remove time based isk. isk should all be based on WP's only. I personally don't care about K/D i just try and try for my team. if i get 1300 WP on a battle where we get rolled over and the next persona gets 500 then 235 ect. which has happenes why do they deserve a reward for sitting in the battle and either sniping or MCC sitting?

If i get half or one third of the teams total points i deserve that proportion of the money. i have risked they have not

Were they MLT snipers ..??.. because that would tell you a lot right there .

Not making any excuses but that's they way it is sometimes .

An overhaul of maps or adding some new maps would help .

If one is not so exposed during sniping then you wouldn't see so many sniping from the redline , coupled with the fact that most maps are not sniper friendly .

I don't have a problem with that , it's beats them just sitting at the home spawn just spinning around or shooting at everybody who spawns and not getting into the fight .

Try doing it for a month straight and you will see what snipers have to go threw and I'm not talking about every other match , for a month straight .. every match .

That way your eyes will open up and maybe you could advise some new tactic's because most snipers have tried them all but maybe you could shed some light on the situation .

Ok, so I played a domination game a few minutes ago and it was the bridge map. After the enemy team took the objective my team started sniping from the red line. I hacked the objective and got shot by a Commando Ck.0 with a Thales. I fly up to him in my dropship (he was stupid enough to sit there) and I killed him. I spawn back in base because the timer ran out and I count 7, yes 7 people sniping in the redline. This was my team.

Please CCP make it so that you cannot get any WP or kills from the redline. This is really starting to become a problem when almost 50% of your team is doing this. This is not the first time I've seen this either. It's really gamebreaking when we're trying to fix this game. Please keep in mind that this game needs snipers just like any other role, just not redline snipers.

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snipers are not really that bad, if it takes 1 shot to kill my scout 2 shots for my medium suit and 2 or 3 shots for my commando depending on the gun/damage mods. Do you want a OHK on more suits from extreme range? occasionally i will get out the c-15a sniper rifle and if i as non dedicated sniper can do well enough with it i see nothing wrong with its damage. being that any 'dedicated' sniper will be using a proto gun and will have maxed proficiency they should be doing alot better than me.

that being said not all maps suit sniping and there are not always ideal places to snipe from on those which are more suited to it. For those maps which don't suit sniping there is a rather simple solution, be useful and join the ground an pound. for more open maps unless your using your Thales ( with the better scope and rarity) be more dynamic and move with the battle. yes you may die but moving about to support your team will get you more WP's and appreciation from your team

Stop protostomping and sniping is fixed.

Stop protostomping and sniping is fixed.

Redline sniping is more of a symptom than a problem. The problem is the map design. Many of the older maps had their sniper perches within the playable zone removed, or NULL cannons moved in order to make sniping from the remaining perches less advantageous. The decisions to remove most of these or change the positions was based on player feedback, complaining about the sniper rifles killing them repeatedly. As a result you end up with very few sniper perches that a standard infantryman can reach, a few that have ladders that still work, and the ones within the redlines. A good sniper will always go to the place with the most visibility of his or her target area (I work with a squad that concentrates on one or two capture points, so if and when I go sniper, it makes it easier to set up). From here the sniper's job is threefold, eliminate targets of opportunity, provide intelligence support about who is moving where, and support your squadmates (and teammates). Sniper rifles themselves are relatively (to other games) low powered for their class of weapon as is (they did get nerfed and dropsuit EHP did get buffed) and they are definitely a weapon that needs to be looked at, but I think you should concentrate on improving map design to support the role, and then people who fight against stacked squads need to, as a pro once told me: "Git Good" as there are fewer things in dust more satisfying than seeing your kitchen sink team triumph over a team most of whom are from the same corp.

Now I have a unique solution you might not have thought of for dealing with a team of snipers sitting in your redline (as you never need more than 1 or 2 in a single spot)...drive a tank in front of them if they are on the ground, park a dropship in front of them if they're up on a building, just try to obscure their LOS...or you could just play the game on hard mode.

to the OP, how many games on average do you play a day, and out of those games how many would you say this happens in?
I ask because if you take into account the small player base, as well as the amount of those players who's role is sniper, also considering corps and sqd finder can form squads of snipers intentionally, you are bound to run into odd team make ups, or off balanced teams (don't even get me started on scotty...)

also, some of the other posters have offered viable options to counter this, the best of which I'm sure someone mentioned is to leave battle...

so, is this truly a game breaking issue, or does it just really upset you? if the answer is yes, it is game breaking, what reasonable option is there to fix it?

they wont do client side patches

scotty is FUBAR

small player base limits options

I stated my solution already.

Ok, so I played a domination game a few minutes ago and it was the bridge map. After the enemy team took the objective my team started sniping from the red line. I hacked the objective and got shot by a Commando Ck.0 with a Thales. I fly up to him in my dropship (he was stupid enough to sit there) and I killed him. I spawn back in base because the timer ran out and I count 7, yes 7 people sniping in the redline. This was my team.

Please CCP make it so that you cannot get any WP or kills from the redline. This is really starting to become a problem when almost 50% of your team is doing this. This is not the first time I've seen this either. It's really gamebreaking when we're trying to fix this game. Please keep in mind that this game needs snipers just like any other role, just not redline snipers.

this is why they need to remove time based isk. isk should all be based on WP's only. I personally don't care about K/D i just try and try for my team. if i get 1300 WP on a battle where we get rolled over and the next persona gets 500 then 235 ect. which has happenes why do they deserve a reward for sitting in the battle and either sniping or MCC sitting?

If i get half or one third of the teams total points i deserve that proportion of the money. i have risked they have not

Isk in pubs is WP based. In the matches where i have gotten much higher WP than the rest of the team, the isk reward has been huge (300-450k)

I think he means it should primarily be isk based. As in afk farming being pointless since you won't have any WP and therefor no isk. As it stands though you get something like 150k for sitting in the MCC and twiddling your thumbs for an entire match.

Which people can just rubber band their movement stick to run constantly into a corner of the MCC or rig up a way to push crouch every now and then to keep from getting booted.

But what about sniping scrubby snipers INTO the redline? I think I just cooked up a countersniper sentinel fit in my brain.

Expect to be able to cook bacon in the inferno caused by me thinking again.

Ok, so I played a domination game a few minutes ago and it was the bridge map. After the enemy team took the objective my team started sniping from the red line. I hacked the objective and got shot by a Commando Ck.0 with a Thales. I fly up to him in my dropship (he was stupid enough to sit there) and I killed him. I spawn back in base because the timer ran out and I count 7, yes 7 people sniping in the redline. This was my team.

Please CCP make it so that you cannot get any WP or kills from the redline. This is really starting to become a problem when almost 50% of your team is doing this. This is not the first time I've seen this either. It's really gamebreaking when we're trying to fix this game. Please keep in mind that this game needs snipers just like any other role, just not redline snipers.