1.So the problem is that snipers were all nerfed to hell and back. meaning that they don't have the opportunity to be anything other than a non factor.

2. unfortunately it's the people like lightning mouse here who have caused quite so many problems, you see the dedicated snipers do it because it's the game that they enjoy playing and the best positions are frequently in the red line. even if the red line got completely removed they would still use the same positions. whereas the "usually ground troops" do it Because of the protection. as for the answer to that question lightning mouse, you either fight the good fight as it were or leave battle and get a different match which will be more fun, this is a game remember.

I hate to say it, but this game punishes you for dying. I don't get upset with having 8 redline snipers on my side I just join them, why? Because, more than likely they would be useless on the frontline anyways, blame matchmaking.

The biggest thing and hardest thing, in my opinion, in this game to learn is to "Know when to hold them, and know when to fold them." I still screw this up sometimes but you will be better off in the long run albeit is less fun. A vote surrender option would be nice but don't count on CCP to do anything more than tweak values in these hotfixes.

What you are ignoring about the 8 bad snipers in your redline.... time and time again they turn out to be just as bad at frontlining and although this will end the match faster lowering the clone count, most players don't want to keep dying and get punished isk wise or in the very least meta wise on kd/r.

The best way I have found to play is to match your team's enthusiasm.

If they are getting into the nitty gritty you get your ass in there. If they are all hanging back just prepare to fail and either sneak around killing lone redberries or hang way back with the rest sniping in one way or another.

As everyone prides about this game, it's a team based and gear based shooter. If you are outmanned and outgunned just accept your fate and join the rest of the redline snipers until the match ends.

You just look like an ******* when you troll your team.

My NT-511 on a level 3 with prof 3 sniper caldari commando and one adv light mod (Pretty cheap fit at like 17k) can one shot head shot anything but sentinels and proto shield based caldari medium tanks. If its a light suit it's dead. If it's a medium suit that isn't a dual tank caldari proto it's also dead. Most commandos also drop unless they are shield heavy. The headshot bonus combined with the inherent armor bonus wrecks armor based suits. The Dual tanks just take a headshot + body shot. It's really all about the headshots. If they are moving too much to get a headshot, they can't retaliate. If they can, you are too close to them. My Thales or charged sniper is something I pull out for when you have the sentinel coward proto bears in the red line. Still I maintain the biggest issue is the head glitching. This renders any counter sniping impossible. I'm like a broken record when it comes to head glitching, but it is what it is. Can't snipe em and they can snipe you... it's a problem and it probably will never be fixed.