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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.08.06 15:58:00 -
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Sniping is my primary role anything else you see me doing is just me "playing".
snipers are not the only players that use the red line, and the majority of them do so because they are either new, or pushed towards it by that being where the best positions are. unlike for example the dropship pilots who retreat to their red line after taking damage to repair, or the rail tank sniper who stays there to hide or also goes there to repair from damage.
both are going there BECAUSE it's red line
if you wish to address it then Please call it "red Line abuse"
That said
i'm all for "red line sniping" to be fixed. (so are all of the decent snipers i know of in this game)
I am TOTALLY against sniper range nerfs and completely against being forced "closer" before things are sorted out.
by this i mean:
1.sniper rifles are literally useless at close quarters, no hip fire, low rof, low ammo count, etc.
2.lack of vantage points within most maps, (please don't forget that one of the main causes of this was the community at large crying out about snipers and getting ccp to remove them.)
3. low damage output, it takes a good few seconds to line up the first shot on a target, (particularly if you are aiming for heads) and the follow up shot is always much harder because your target now knows that you are aiming at them.
in close ranges this would be more than enough time for an assault or scout to close within range to kill.
4. Snipers are an unsupported role, because of the way that snipers work they will/should never be "with" their squadmates (Working with and supporting them,yes) again if you are going to force them into close ranges particularly with the current set up then they have no real choices about defense mods and suit fit outs.
5. the glass cannon effect, Snipers caught in close quarters will be dying at least for every kill, they will be a liability in all game modes, we are already excluded from p.c matches due to this.
6. position is everything, a sniper who can only see a narrow strip of map directly in front of them is practically useless. this is why they go up high most of the time. the bowl shaped map design is the fault here not the sniper who has to go there to do their work.
7.Fairness vs usefulness, most of the time a sniper has to chose one or the other, i'm sorry to tell you this but 99% of us will pick usefulness. if the best spot is in the red thats still where you will find us. that said if the same spot was suddenly not in the red.. WE'D STILL GO THERE.
(Also don't for a second kid yourselves about this, you don't play fair either... unless you are stupid enough to make sure your enemy sees you before you shoot every time.)
So by all means "fix" the red line issues but BEFORE you do, add in new vantages and decide whether you want snipers to be snipers or marksmen and fix the weapons accordingly.
if you do this After you look at the red line you will lose players.
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
252
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Posted - 2014.08.06 16:31:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote: Please keep in mind that this game needs snipers just like any other role, just not redline snipers. Umm no. Dust only needs the sniper to kill the redline vagina's. The sniper's role in this game is pretty useless when it comes to objectives now. (It WAS very usefull when PC started) Now not so much. I'd take 5 infantry over 20 snipers any day. Snipers dont win games.
Quote:Redline snipers don't, infield sniping can cause a world of problems in the sniper knows that intel is also his role.
Quote:Lightning Mouse wrote:
So what am i supposed to do when nyain san brings in a squad? Fight? In my one advanced logi suit with a basic rail gun while they are smashing our team with super scouts from hell? Getting wasted as i spawn in? Noty. Matches like that when u can't take 2 steps without a scout alakazaming out of nowhere and blowing you away, i'm gonna snipe. I'll take that milita sniper rifle any day and you can find me deep in the bowels of the red line getting 1-3 kills max. Ill cheer you on though because i'm a good guy.
1.So the problem is that snipers were all nerfed to hell and back. meaning that they don't have the opportunity to be anything other than a non factor.
2. unfortunately it's the people like lightning mouse here who have caused quite so many problems, you see the dedicated snipers do it because it's the game that they enjoy playing and the best positions are frequently in the red line. even if the red line got completely removed they would still use the same positions. whereas the "usually ground troops" do it Because of the protection. as for the answer to that question lightning mouse, you either fight the good fight as it were or leave battle and get a different match which will be more fun, this is a game remember.
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Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
253
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Posted - 2014.08.06 17:22:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:[quote=Snake Sellors]
snipers are not really that bad, if it takes 1 shot to kill my scout 2 shots for my medium suit and 2 or 3 shots for my commando depending on the gun/damage mods. Do you want a OHK on more suits from extreme range? occasionally i will get out the c-15a sniper rifle and if i as non dedicated sniper can do well enough with it i see nothing wrong with its damage. being that any 'dedicated' sniper will be using a proto gun and will have maxed proficiency they should be doing alot better than me.
that being said not all maps suit sniping and there are not always ideal places to snipe from on those which are more suited to it. For those maps which don't suit sniping there is a rather simple solution, be useful and join the ground an pound. for more open maps unless your using your Thales ( with the better scope and rarity) be more dynamic and move with the battle. yes you may die but moving about to support your team will get you more WP's and appreciation from your team
erm.. again i reiterate have you tried it in pc battles? they are the reason we need a buff.
as you don't know me i'll overlook the be more useful remark except to comment that when things are tough my corp mates prefer it when i snipe because i'm a decent sniper. (if you don't believe me that's your choice but you could try asking them.)
i do sometimes run the ground for fun fun but when i get serious i snipe.
and as you say you do well with a c-15 i'll ask you about it then...how often do you get over 1,000 wp when you snipe?
do you get over 15 kills every round? do you kill or at least injure the heavies that your squad are approaching or that approach your team mates? do you stop the hacks on objectives? snipe the cloaked scouts as they try to outflank your squad? call out positions of tanks or other enemy units? guide your squad into safety when they need it? destroy uplinks and healing hives?
don't feel the need to respond to that i already know the answers. as for the dynamics, wps etc in your posts. you will regularly find me in the top 6 along with the rest of my squad and i always go where i can do my job best which is not always sniping, but most of the time it is.
instead of just instantly dismissing a "dedicated" sniper a useless non factor or blueberry and deciding that all snipers are red lining thales users that are only sniping to be "safe" try being more open minded, you know nothing about me or from the sounds of things any of the other decent snipers on dust. |
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