So you concede the debate then?

Lets just get shut of the sp system, Dum this game right down, no std,adv or proto, just starter fits

I'm not going to sit here and name off numerous ways in which it wouldn't affect you just because you want to be a hard head or just can't think of anything besides flavor of the month which I've already covered so yes the debate is over and we can both go off thinking we're right.

No, I'm pretty sure you don't want to do it because you can't actually support your argument well.

No, I'm pretty sure you don't want to do it because you can't actually support your argument well.

Wow, here we go again. After two freaking years of dealing with "respec" threads like this, one would wonder if anyone bothers to do their research on the forums and use the search function to see what was discussed previously on the subject matter. Two years of this.

Two years and CCP still hasn't put them in? Sounds like a lot of people want it, shouldn't you be more upset with CCP?

Personally I am not inclined to have players able to respec.

Unlike others I have made mistakes on this character with skilling...... would a Respec benefit me?

Yes.

Do I want one?

No.

Why?

Because players need to think..... they should not be given everything easily.....they should not feel entitled. In EVE and Dust actions have weight, they have consequences, and they have repercussions.

Here's what you are asking of me: It wouldn't affect gameplay because it wouldn't affect the stats of guns, it wouldn't add or subtract from the initial shield and armor of dropsuits and vehicles, it wouldn't make gear cost more, it wouldn't affect your ability to level up and upgrade your gear, it wouldn't make MCC's blow up from one missile.................... what you want me to do is so ridiculous and illogical, I only did it because I wanted to demonstrate how stupid it is. It's that (and I could have kept going) or you simply mention ONE, I repeat, ONE way in which it would negatively affect you. If you can't then I say you're the one conceding from this argument.

Two years and CCP still hasn't put them in? Sounds like a lot of people want it, shouldn't you be more upset with CCP?

Personally I am not inclined to have players able to respec.

Unlike others I have made mistakes on this character with skilling...... would a Respec benefit me?

Yes.

Do I want one?

No.

Why?

Because players need to think..... they should not be given everything easily.....they should not feel entitled. In EVE and Dust actions have weight, they have consequences, and they have repercussions.

Players need to think? ... Okay, sure, still though, a very complicated game that new players tend to mess up in at least a few times and I wouldn't think it's unlikely that because of that some have quickly given up on the game, thus, allowing it could lead to an increase in players. They should not be given everything easily? ... They aren't being "given" anything, they aren't asking for free skillpoints, they earned the skillpoints.. they were just indecisive, didn't have the proper experience to know what to invest in, or possibly just accidently used some. They should not feel entitled? True, but I don't recall anyone expressing that they felt they were entitled.. this is a request, and it's been requested by a lot of people a lot of times. Isn't one of CCPs top priorities supposed to be giving the community what is largely requested? Isn't that the whole purpose of this section of the forums?

Personally I am not inclined to have players able to respec.

Unlike others I have made mistakes on this character with skilling...... would a Respec benefit me?

Yes.

Do I want one?

No.

Why?

Because players need to think..... they should not be given everything easily.....they should not feel entitled. In EVE and Dust actions have weight, they have consequences, and they have repercussions.

What I wanted from you is completely logical - it's actually called the process of logical debate, while you may think it's ridiculous to explain yourself it works wonders to help convey your thoughts or find where you might be mistaken in your thoughts.

From mechanical standpoints, you're correct. In terms of meta shifts however though it affects a lot. Once something becomes slightly overpowered (say like scouts, or heavies, or rail rifles) all of a sudden everyone is purchasing respecs to switch to that. So while the ability to purchase respecs doesn't affect the gameplay, it does affect the game environment and meta shifts can be incredibly toxic. What if tomorrow someone finds out that X thing is really overpowered at proto tier, and so people use respecs to get to it at proto tier, and then when it's nerfed due to being noxious to try and play against the people who rode that train to ruin simply hop over to the next 'op' thing.

To make another example, there's a lot of people who have skilled into dropships simply to exploit the confirmed bug that is 'skill stacking', most of these people didn't skill into dropships because they actually wanted them, they skilled into them because they're broken and not functioning as intended. With purchasable respecs, the people who abused this behaviour essentially getting away with skilling into things just to exploit them scott free.

Furthermore it undermines the whole concept of what eve and dust are built upon, "Choices have Consequences".

I was indecisive as well. I put A LOT of SP into weapons I will never use again, I have SP in skills that don't do anything, and in Dropsuits I rarely use......

Every players who is here on the forums was in the same place as these beginners once before...... we understand that it hits you for a month...tops.....then you move on.

If players have the options to respec regularly they have no attachment to their character, no care in selecting their skills, no unique aspects that make their character special. SP investment is like a chronicle of your characters actions in Dust and gives your character identity....... I'd hate to see Dust/ Legion lose its harsh and gritty vibe for casualised mechanics because players stopped taking the choices seriously.

why dont we allow SP reallocation for players with 10 or 15 million sp or less to get a 1 time SP re-distribution? it wont effect you bittervets at all and remember FOTM changes all the time.. if they go FOTM now they got Delta or Epsilon to get F'd in the A with nerfs/balances

Some of us suggested to CCP to make it so that a one-time respec was offered to all new players who completed the academy as a reward for their effort to learn. This would be the last chance anyone would have. Beyond that, everything becomes your fault.

Legion will have a respec mechanism. I guess CCP doesnt agree with you.