DUST Search - Respecs

EMPEROR KillEm wrote:

Malleus Malificorum wrote:

EMPEROR KillEm wrote:

Malleus Malificorum wrote:

So you concede the debate then?

I'm not going to sit here and name off numerous ways in which it wouldn't affect you just because you want to be a hard head or just can't think of anything besides flavor of the month which I've already covered so yes the debate is over and we can both go off thinking we're right.

No, I'm pretty sure you don't want to do it because you can't actually support your argument well.

Here's what you are asking of me: It wouldn't affect gameplay because it wouldn't affect the stats of guns, it wouldn't add or subtract from the initial shield and armor of dropsuits and vehicles, it wouldn't make gear cost more, it wouldn't affect your ability to level up and upgrade your gear, it wouldn't make MCC's blow up from one missile.................... what you want me to do is so ridiculous and illogical, I only did it because I wanted to demonstrate how stupid it is. It's that (and I could have kept going) or you simply mention ONE, I repeat, ONE way in which it would negatively affect you. If you can't then I say you're the one conceding from this argument.


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Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:55:00 - [1] - Quote Do your research and spend your skillpoints carefully on things that you actually want. Don't chase flavor of the month and you won't have these problems. I haven't 'wasted' any SP on this character and I'm sitting at 20million sp. All it takes is a little discipline.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:04:00 - [2] - Quote EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Do your research and spend your skillpoints carefully on things that you actually want. Don't chase flavor of the month and you won't have these problems. I haven't 'wasted' any SP on this character and I'm sitting at 20million sp. All it takes is a little discipline. Refer to my previous post. I saw it, and all I have to say is that the only people who whine for respecs are people who chase fotm instead of spending skillpoints on things that they actually want. If you did your research you wouldn't whine for a respec. Eve has never gotten a respec ever, and yet there's no demand for it, why? because people spend their skillpoints carefully.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:24:00 - [3] - Quote EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: Do your research and spend your skillpoints carefully on things that you actually want. Don't chase flavor of the month and you won't have these problems. I haven't 'wasted' any SP on this character and I'm sitting at 20million sp. All it takes is a little discipline. Refer to my previous post. I saw it, and all I have to say is that the only people who whine for respecs are people who chase fotm instead of spending skillpoints on things that they actually want. If you did your research you wouldn't whine for a respec. Eve has never gotten a respec ever, and yet there's no demand for it, why? because people spend their skillpoints carefully. Maybe you saw the post but apparently it went sailing over your head. Once again, it wouldn't affect you so why do you care? You keep asserting that it wouldn't affect me, but you've yet to put forth a logical argument as to why. Remember that in debates the burden of proof is placed on the one making the assertion in the first place. Maybe you're not reading what I and others have had to say: if you spend your skillpoints carefully you will never skill into anything you didn't actually want. Actions have consequences, spend your skillpoints poorly? enjoy being terrible. I see no reason why people should be able to repeatedly chase flavor of the month.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:13:00 - [4] - Quote EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Me proving that it wouldn't affect people seems a lot less practical than you just giving me one instance in which it would. And I am reading what you and others are saying.. spend them correctly and you won't need a respec, yeah, I understood that.. but people don't always spend them correctly, like, a lot of people.. especially new players who don't know what to invest in. It would greatly help them to be able to use a respec as they learn more of the game. Saying 'F them, they should have used them correctly' is what I like to call being a D**K. If you can't think of a way it would negatively affect you then, again, I don't understand why you so greatly oppose it. Well 1) the burden of proof isn't on me here, It's on you, and 2) I was generous and already did with my flavor of the month example. You need to come up with well supported reasons as to why it wouldn't affect people either so we can find the holes in your thinking, point out when you're relying on logical fallacies, or so that you've explained your line of thought well enough to sway others, If you don't want to do that you might as well concede the debate.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:21:00 - [5] - Quote So you concede the debate then?
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:28:00 - [6] - Quote EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: So you concede the debate then? I'm not going to sit here and name off numerous ways in which it wouldn't affect you just because you want to be a hard head or just can't think of anything besides flavor of the month which I've already covered so yes the debate is over and we can both go off thinking we're right. No, I'm pretty sure you don't want to do it because you can't actually support your argument well.
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 37	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:20:00 - [7] - Quote EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: EMPEROR KillEm wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: So you concede the debate then? I'm not going to sit here and name off numerous ways in which it wouldn't affect you just because you want to be a hard head or just can't think of anything besides flavor of the month which I've already covered so yes the debate is over and we can both go off thinking we're right. No, I'm pretty sure you don't want to do it because you can't actually support your argument well. Here's what you are asking of me: It wouldn't affect gameplay because it wouldn't affect the stats of guns, it wouldn't add or subtract from the initial shield and armor of dropsuits and vehicles, it wouldn't make gear cost more, it wouldn't affect your ability to level up and upgrade your gear, it wouldn't make MCC's blow up from one missile.................... what you want me to do is so ridiculous and illogical, I only did it because I wanted to demonstrate how stupid it is. It's that (and I could have kept going) or you simply mention ONE, I repeat, ONE way in which it would negatively affect you. If you can't then I say you're the one conceding from this argument. What I wanted from you is completely logical - it's actually called the process of logical debate, while you may think it's ridiculous to explain yourself it works wonders to help convey your thoughts or find where you might be mistaken in your thoughts. From mechanical standpoints, you're correct. In terms of meta shifts however though it affects a lot. Once something becomes slightly overpowered (say like scouts, or heavies, or rail rifles) all of a sudden everyone is purchasing respecs to switch to that. So while the ability to purchase respecs doesn't affect the gameplay, it does affect the game environment and meta shifts can be incredibly toxic. What if tomorrow someone finds out that X thing is really overpowered at proto tier, and so people use respecs to get to it at proto tier, and then when it's nerfed due to being noxious to try and play against the people who rode that train to ruin simply hop over to the next 'op' thing. To make another example, there's a lot of people who have skilled into dropships simply to exploit the confirmed bug that is 'skill stacking', most of these people didn't skill into dropships because they actually wanted them, they skilled into them because they're broken and not functioning as intended. With purchasable respecs, the people who abused this behaviour essentially getting away with skilling into things just to exploit them scott free. Furthermore it undermines the whole concept of what eve and dust are built upon, "Choices have Consequences".