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Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 416	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:43:00 - [1] - Quote They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider Master of The Flaylock
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 212	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:52:00 - [2] - Quote Buff them. Give them a headshot by class: 150% light 200% scout, 250% medium 300% assault 350% logi 400% heavy 450% commando 500% Sentinal But only for shots from within the Warzone ie outside the redzone. Also once you get to 10x kills countdown timer works in your redzone as well as the enemy My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11204	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:07:00 - [3] - Quote Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? If I don't, who will? -HAND
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 399	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:11:00 - [4] - Quote lol thread is lol I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 3 to go.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 416	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:38:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies Master of The Flaylock
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11206	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:42:00 - [6] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies First, prove to me that all snipers are in the redline, and that they're "cheap sissies". Your the one who made the assertion, so burden of proof is on you, not me. If I don't, who will? -HAND
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2028	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:44:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies First, prove to me that all snipers are in the redline, and that they're "cheap sissies". Your the one who made the assertion, so burden of proof is on you, not me. Im a cheap redline sniper Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11206	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:49:00 - [8] - Quote ladwar wrote: Im a cheap redline sniper And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null. That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos". If I don't, who will? -HAND
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2028	Posted - 2014.08.03 02:57:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: Im a cheap redline sniper And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null. That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos". Also I use vehicle and scouts, last hate mail called me a cheap redline sniper while used my ads and had to retreat into the redline from invisible swarms. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.08.03 03:11:00 - [10] - Quote I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. People will rush to clear out the other teams uplinks and kill the first wave as fast as they can then just set a dedicated spawn camp team to hold them in while the rest go out and hack objectives. Removing it will break pubs, i promise you. I agree that something needs to be changed but i really can't offer a decent solution. I personally think sniper rifle damage is fine as is. If you have a charge at prof. 5 with even a basic commando and 1 complex damage mod (my sniping fit) you can 2 shot most suits. If a sniper wants more damage on such a low risk weapon then the trade off is he needs to spec fully in to S.R. prof. and caldari commando level 5 . Even as someone who really enjoys sniping i don't think it should ever be able to 1 shot a sentinel suit even with a headshot. We need suits in this game that can accomplish things without the fear of being 1 shot by 500 meters away. Suits in this game are expensive. It's not like other shooters where deaths are penalty free. That's the number one reason i believe S.R. damage should not be increased. IF however, they are somehow prevented from sniping from the redline they would need some kind of boost. I think ccp was trying to balance snipers before by making the caldari commando suit. Encouraging players to take a sniper rifle into the field knowing they had another main light weapon to fall back on. Sadly they can't force people to play differently, only offer the option. I do find a field sniper very effective on ambush though.

Apocalyptic Destroyer RestlessSpirits 44	Posted - 2014.08.03 03:13:00 - [11] - Quote Notice most or all of the people who replied to this thread are the stupid Caldari snipers or have Caldari as their main suit, which in fact, most of the snipers are Caldari given the suit layout. Excluding me and that one other Minmitar. ~R1P
emm kay New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.08.03 03:16:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: Im a cheap redline sniper And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null. That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos". Also are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? -- You called, sir?
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.08.03 03:52:00 - [13] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies Redline snipers are free kills. Are you ******* kidding me right now? More redline snipers please! If you want to fix sniping, consult those who snipe.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.08.03 03:56:00 - [14] - Quote Beastlina wrote: I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. I can improve upon this! You can fly a python into the enemy's MCC infantry launch bay, hop out with your HMG heavy with grenades and kill them inside their own MCC. Tested in PC against some crappy Latino corporation that wouldn't fight us. If you want to fix sniping, consult those who snipe.
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.08.03 04:01:00 - [15] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: Beastlina wrote: I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. I can improve upon this! You can fly a python into the enemy's MCC infantry launch bay, hop out with your HMG heavy with grenades and kill them inside their own MCC. Tested in PC against some crappy Latino corporation that wouldn't fight us. LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 417	Posted - 2014.08.03 04:15:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: Im a cheap redline sniper And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null. That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos". Also No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 417	Posted - 2014.08.03 04:18:00 - [17] - Quote Beastlina wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Beastlina wrote: I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. I can improve upon this! You can fly a python into the enemy's MCC infantry launch bay, hop out with your HMG heavy with grenades and kill them inside their own MCC. Tested in PC against some crappy Latino corporation that wouldn't fight us. LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown. Haha that would be hilarious......idk it's hard to remove it without more problems but it also is a problem on its own... Master of The Flaylock
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1508	Posted - 2014.08.03 04:20:00 - [18] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: Im a cheap redline sniper And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null. That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos". Also No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? Way back in the day, there were plenty of sniper spots outside the redline. Then people whined and bitched about it, and CCP removed them. Now the good spots are in the redline. Give snipers their perches back, and your argument of "redline snipers are sissies" will hold water. Until then, I'm going to snipe from the best vantage position on whatever map I'm on. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11214	Posted - 2014.08.03 05:15:00 - [19] - Quote emm kay wrote: are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? Where in that post did I say that players within the redline should be rewarded? Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. There's nothing to see other than you being unable to form a logical and coherent reason as to why Sniper Rifles shouldn't be viable, while also conforming to a logical fallacy. If I don't, who will? -HAND
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11214	Posted - 2014.08.03 05:16:00 - [20] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Way back in the day, there were plenty of sniper spots outside the redline. Then people whined and bitched about it, and CCP removed them. Now the good spots are in the redline. Give snipers their perches back, and your argument of "redline snipers are sissies" will hold water. Until then, I'm going to snipe from the best vantage position on whatever map I'm on. Unfortunately, that would require a client side update, meaning that it won't happen. If I don't, who will? -HAND

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 900	Posted - 2014.08.03 05:23:00 - [21] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies I saw you spinning AFK in the MCC... and you want us to prove how snipers are more active than you? emm kay wrote: Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: Im a cheap redline sniper And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null. That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos". Also are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? If you're DUMB enough to stand in their line of sight... YES. The very Niche condition of "redline sniper" can be avoided without any problems on your behalf. IF you have the ability to think, that is. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 350	Posted - 2014.08.03 05:54:00 - [22] - Quote Beastlina wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Beastlina wrote: I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. I can improve upon this! You can fly a python into the enemy's MCC infantry launch bay, hop out with your HMG heavy with grenades and kill them inside their own MCC. Tested in PC against some crappy Latino corporation that wouldn't fight us. LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown. RE's wouldn't explode in the redline.. much like how nanohives from the opposing team self destruct. If you want to fix sniping, consult those who snipe.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1029	Posted - 2014.08.03 06:06:00 - [23] - Quote Beastlina wrote: I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. People will rush to clear out the other teams uplinks and kill the first wave as fast as they can then just set a dedicated spawn camp team to hold them in while the rest go out and hack objectives. Removing it will break pubs, i promise you. I agree that something needs to be changed but i really can't offer a decent solution. I personally think sniper rifle damage is fine as is. If you have a charge at prof. 5 with even a basic commando and 1 complex damage mod (my sniping fit) you can 2 shot most suits. If a sniper wants more damage on such a low risk weapon then the trade off is he needs to spec fully in to S.R. prof. and caldari commando level 5 . Even as someone who really enjoys sniping i don't think it should ever be able to 1 shot a sentinel suit even with a headshot. We need suits in this game that can accomplish things without the fear of being 1 shot by 500 meters away. Suits in this game are expensive. It's not like other shooters where deaths are penalty free. That's the number one reason i believe S.R. damage should not be increased. IF however, they are somehow prevented from sniping from the redline they would need some kind of boost. I think ccp was trying to balance snipers before by making the caldari commando suit. Encouraging players to take a sniper rifle into the field knowing they had another main light weapon to fall back on. Sadly they can't force people to play differently, only offer the option. I do find a field sniper very effective on ambush though. the redline is for people who can't keep there boots in the fight. if your team is at the point where you need a invisible line safety to keep the other team from pushing you in to your mcc then im sorry but that team sucks and never was going to win anyway. but to fix redline snipers or camper issues all you have to do is look at other shooting games for the answer. in other games you can't see very far on to the map from the redline because there will be a huge hill or building in the way that blocks most the map. this makes it so there is a safe place to spawn but they would not be effective snipeing areas because you can only see one letter from the redline and thats your home point. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 234	Posted - 2014.08.03 06:14:00 - [24] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Notice most or all of the people who replied to this thread are the stupid Caldari snipers or have Caldari as their main suit, which in fact, most of the snipers are Caldari given the suit layout. Excluding me and that one other Minmitar. Hey hey hey, i use a gal scout as my sniper suit, I prefer biotics since I walk everywhere because vehicles are a flashing bright pink neon sign saying SNIPER HERE!!!!! to any red paying attention. But on topic, there really is no way to "fix" the redline without screwing everybody else over, think I'm wrong, ask yourself "what happens if a team gets redlined if we do this?" what i think of when charging fg
Cass Caul 288	Posted - 2014.08.03 07:26:00 - [25] - Quote I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little b*tches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair. Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 65	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:59:00 - [26] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: Buff them. Give them a headshot by class: 150% light 200% scout, 250% medium 300% assault 350% logi 400% heavy 450% commando 500% Sentinal But only for shots from within the Warzone ie outside the redzone. Also once you get to 10x kills countdown timer works in your redzone as well as the enemy Sentinel* Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:07:00 - [27] - Quote Beastlina wrote: Symbioticforks wrote: Beastlina wrote: I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. I can improve upon this! You can fly a python into the enemy's MCC infantry launch bay, hop out with your HMG heavy with grenades and kill them inside their own MCC. Tested in PC against some crappy Latino corporation that wouldn't fight us. LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown. Tried it, the REs pop instantly in the redline and deal no damage. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:08:00 - [28] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little btches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair. Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon. You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. In fact, it couldn't be done. It WOULD be the end of Dust. Level 4 Forum Warrior* Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1744	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:03:00 - [29] - Quote I kill redline snipers all the time. I use a militia sniper rifle to retaliate for their crimes. When you stick four damage mods on a sentinel to shoot at redline snipers the result is pure hilarity when they lose their precious Thale. The hatemail is so very, very delicious.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16076	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:07:00 - [30] - Quote You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1746	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:10:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? One would hope. Honestly my complaint is that redline snipers are pretty much not contributing to the battlefield efforts most of the time. The whole "shooting you from safety" thing is BS. I enjoy expending dropships and proto HMG fits simply to drop on and murder them and their precious thales. Plus countersniping is fun if you're patient.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4121	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:15:00 - [32] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I kill redline snipers all the time. I use a militia sniper rifle to retaliate for their crimes. When you stick four damage mods on a sentinel to shoot at redline snipers the result is pure hilarity when they lose their precious Thale. The hatemail is so very, very delicious. I offer 1 million ISK to any squad mate who relinquishes a Thale from it's user. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6511	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:35:00 - [33] - Quote Said it before and I'll say it again: Map design and game mechanics are not the fault of the weapon, or the player. Game balance should not revolve around 'redlines', especially in a game where there is massive incentive to redlining the enemy team. The hell do you want them to do, run into your gun? No More Excuses
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1746	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:59:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Said it before and I'll say it again: Map design and game mechanics are not the fault of the weapon, or the player. Game balance should not revolve around 'redlines', especially in a game where there is massive incentive to redlining the enemy team. The hell do you want them to do, run into your gun? Nah I just pick 'em off.
Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 112	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:08:00 - [35] - Quote There are plenty of counters to snipers, as we all know... Sniping will always be a way for lower sp players to enter the game, they can learn the game from watching from a far and build up their sp and isk. They wouldn't be a greater asset getting stomped on the frontline anyway. Skilled snipers often play outside the redline or can provide worthwhile support and intel from the redline and changing the redline would not change a skilled snipers habbits. And remind me again how exactly do you know where your own redline ends, so you can keep outside of it to stop people complaining?
Cass Caul 292	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:27:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? You do realizing that IRL you're a worthless little aspie kid that no one likes? The only reason I ever use a sniper rifle now is to pick off Forge-sniping asshats. Oh, no, wait, for the past 6 months Sentinels have had an increase in HP or effective HP while the sniper rifle lost out on proficiency bonus and damage mods. The range of the sniper rifle is literally the only reason I still choose to use it over a forge gun. Even then, the purpose it once served post armor plate buff was completely negated by 1.7 vehicle changes and surface effects. An ADS is a far better tool to clear off rooftops. Unless the Sniper Rifle in DUST 514 started to be like every other game with Sniper Rifles in it and actually killed in a single headshot, a reduction in range only further increases the Forge Gun's ability as an anti-infantry weapon. However, without being skilled in either of these (regardless of Skill Points invested in the weapons) that's probably to nonspecific for you to understand. Alas, all this falls on deaf ears for there is much democracy afoot when dealing with hot-fixes, rather than the necessary meritocracy to keep out trolls, flaming posts, and idiots such as IWS. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:31:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: emm kay wrote: are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? Where in that post did I say that players within the redline should be rewarded? Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. There's nothing to see other than you being unable to form a logical and coherent reason as to why Sniper Rifles shouldn't be viable, while also conforming to a logical fallacy. You can't look at it with all that x y stuff....you have to use your own logical opinion and you would see that redline sniping is a cheap tactic......now if you are not in the redline thats totally different....but anyone who chooses to redline cuz of the big reward and little risk is afraid of a real fight. Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:33:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? Well I hope so....maybe that will force them out of the redline.....what's your opinion saber Master of The Flaylock
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2029	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:49:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: emm kay wrote: are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? Where in that post did I say that players within the redline should be rewarded? Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. There's nothing to see other than you being unable to form a logical and coherent reason as to why Sniper Rifles shouldn't be viable, while also conforming to a logical fallacy. They really need a troll face. i rarely snipe and thats because of poor map design. I use "cheap" tactics because that's is either the only or most effective. Snipers rarely go 4 the forge towers because its not a viable tactic to use with current mechanics of that weapon. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 240	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:47:00 - [40] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. .[/quote] You can't look at it with all that x y stuff....you have to use your own logical opinion and you would see that redline sniping is a cheap tactic......now if you are not in the redline thats totally different....but anyone who chooses to redline cuz of the big reward and little risk is afraid of a real fight.[/quote] so egonz is it your intention to be both obtuse and opaque? what is the problem, you can't make up your mind? "all snipers are cheap red line sissies" "red line sniping is a cheap tactic... now if you are not in the red line thats a totally different story" also "it's a cheap tactic to get lots of kills without risk" i think you mean it's a successful tactic. or are you honestly saying that a decent and true tactic would be to not kill anybody unless you are at risk? i.e you are saying that a cloaked scout with a shotty or nova knives, a tank driver, and ads pilot, any player using proto, any player using full squad tactics,q sync, shoot at another player who's back is turned, etc, etc... are also "cheap sissies" who exactly isn't then? just the players who solo play in an assault suit and only run headlong into enemy fire? so in your opinion there are only two types of player, cheap sissies or mouth breathers. well done sir.. you sound amazingly intelligent.

Everything Dies BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE 891	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:13:00 - [41] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies If you see me in the redline with a sniper rifle, you can rest assured that I have at least one node with a clear line of sight to defend against hackers. Does that make me a sissy, or smart? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 251	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:21:00 - [42] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies If you see me in the redline with a sniper rifle, you can rest assured that I have at least one node with a clear line of sight to defend against hackers. Does that make me a sissy, or smart? What makes you think you can't be both? But really is it fun... If not, then you're probably not smart being bored the whole game.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:12:00 - [43] - Quote "I saw you spinning AFK in the MCC... and you want us to prove how snipers are more active than you?" U saw me afk....plz enlighten me Master of The Flaylock
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 302	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:17:00 - [44] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 302	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:27:00 - [45] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little btches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair. Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon. You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. In fact, it couldn't be done. It WOULD be the end of Dust. considering most of you whine ass do nothing but complain that sniping is for pussies i can guarantee you dumb asses wouldnt bother to snipe if it got a buff let alone even think about it. So stop your bitching if they decide to buff it i will be the first to kill you with my sniper rifle to show you how well it works. And the only thing that kills dust is people like you bitching that everything is either too over powered or too under powered. Get good at the game noob and maybe you wont die by sniper fire. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P*
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11232	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:37:00 - [46] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. We wouldn't need to. You're the one who says it would be, so burden of proof rests in your hands. If I don't, who will? -HAND
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:53:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. We wouldn't need to. You're the one who says it would be, so burden of proof rests in your hands. The whole purpose of this post was to make sure they don't so... Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:55:00 - [48] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. You are correct....I wasn't saying all snipers.....non redline snipers are people who are a good sport that think they have enough skill to fend off people that come at them Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:58:00 - [49] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little b*tches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair. Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon. You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. In fact, it couldn't be done. It WOULD be the end of Dust. considering most of you whine ass do nothing but complain that sniping is for pussies i can guarantee you dumb asses wouldnt bother to snipe if it got a buff let alone even think about it. So stop your bitching if they decide to buff it i will be the first to kill you with my sniper rifle to show you how well it works. And the only thing that kills dust is people like you bitching that everything is either too over powered or too under powered. Get good at the game noob and maybe you wont die by sniper fire. Haha...well first off snipers are fine as they are....and skill won't matter if u don't know when your about to be sniped Master of The Flaylock
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 303	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:00:00 - [50] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. You are correct....I wasn't saying all snipers.....non redline snipers are people who are a good sport that think they have enough skill to fend off people that come at them And again you have no idea what you are talking about so stop typing. When i said not all snipers are pussies i was referring to redliners as well. If you dont like it then go back to COD. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you

Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 303	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:19:00 - [51] - Quote I think every sniper in the game that reads this thread should snipe the OP from the redline whenever they see him just to ** him off lol I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off**
Everything Dies BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE 893	Posted - 2014.08.03 23:37:00 - [52] - Quote Let's cut to the chase--if the Thales wasn't so godly, would ANYONE complain about snipers being anything more than a nuisance? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1521	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:30:00 - [53] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Let's cut to the chase--if the Thales wasn't so godly, would ANYONE complain about snipers being anything more than a nuisance? A thale's on a commando cko with 3 complex damage mods (mximum possible damage a sniper can put out) is survivable by any of the anti-armor starter suits. It is by no means godly. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:35:00 - [54] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. You are correct....I wasn't saying all snipers.....non redline snipers are people who are a good sport that think they have enough skill to fend off people that come at them And again you have no idea what you are talking about so stop typing. When i said not all snipers are pussies i was referring to redliners as well. If you dont like it then go back to COD. Haha...see my friend....that's where you are wrong also...redline sniping makes you a sissy... Little or no risk/big reward...so.eone plz tell me in what situation is redline sniping not cowardous? Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:37:00 - [55] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: I think every sniper in the game that reads this thread should snipe the OP from the redline whenever they see him just to **** him off lol Haha...come at me bros...ISK reward for whoever kills me 5 times in a single match with a sniper Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:40:00 - [56] - Quote I'm not saying me or him is right but....judge rhadamanthus...soon to be cpm1 (maybe chairman) member thinks redline sniping is a cheap tactic....and I would bet a lot of cpm1 do too..... Good thing they represent the players of Dust 514 Master of The Flaylock
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3845	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:29:00 - [57] - Quote Whatever. Anyone who get killed that often by redline snipers needs to git gud. I run a slow ass Amarr logi suit crossing open plains all the damn time to drop some links or rejoin the battle after doing so, and it's really rare for a redline sniper to do more than make me grumble under my breath for a few seconds while I respawn. The redline and any imaginary problems associated with it, is a symptom of the real problem, which is roflmatchmaking and low player counts. If anything done in the redline seriously affects what you do, well, that's a little sad, tbh. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5643	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:43:00 - [58] - Quote Don't Buff Snipers EVEN if The Redline Is Removed! Fixed* The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 356	Posted - 2014.08.04 04:52:00 - [59] - Quote Snipers don't want a buff. They want to be balanced. Seeing as how they haven't been touched since beta. Everyone likes to be touched now and then. In the mean time I'm murdering heavies with my forge gun. Medium range sniper rifle with no magnification and insta-kills all infantry and blows up anything on the map. And here you complain about sniper rifles. If you want to fix sniping, consult those who snipe.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 397	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:06:00 - [60] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies theres this thing called proto stomping....so if that happensexpect your team to be losing lots of proto gear to a thales. use of SR is justified. sniping is a valid option regardless of situation and their not lazy. sniping is harder than it seems. trying to remain hidden for an entire match while avoiding/countering other snipers and picking off heavies/stragglers eventually running out of ammo. sniper rifles tend to have 5 shot clips with about 24 ammo spare. most scouts take 2 shots. mediums can take 3-4 and heavies can take more than 5 half the time. not counting in headshots. and that equipment slot is either rep hive (if their a ** sniper)or a k-2 nano. Elite Gallenten Soldier**

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3833	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:20:00 - [61] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider The redline will never be removed ever. We saw what happend if there is no protection in the closed beta to players who get stomped. The result is that you have vehicles sitting infront of your spawnpoint or underneath the MCC. And believe me you dont want that 6 railgun LAV's are going to point at the exact spot where you have to spawn. New shield module!
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 235	Posted - 2014.08.04 14:58:00 - [62] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider The redline will never be removed ever. We saw what happend if there is no protection in the closed beta to players who get stomped. The result is that you have vehicles sitting infront of your spawnpoint or underneath the MCC. And believe me you dont want that 6 railgun LAV's are going to point at the exact spot where you have to spawn. Yeah, the redline totally stops em now lol what i think of when charging fg
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1532	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:23:00 - [63] - Quote Unfortunately the redline isn't going anywhere as far as I can tell. It's placement has changed a lot since the closed beta but it is unfortunately a necessary evil because of the way the maps were originally, and in my opinion poorly, designed. So without a client update involving a completely new set of maps (not holding my breath on that one), the redline isn't going nowhere. So any changes to snipers will have to work within those confines. As IWS already mentioned any buff to the DPS of snipers is likely going to have to come at the cost of range. But there are ways to mitigate that perceived loss that I think may work. For instance, as someone that dabbles in Sniping, I'd personally support a range nerf and maybe even a DPS nerf if the headshot multiplier was significantly boosted to the point where it would be instadeath for pretty much any target except the most heavily tanked heavies. What also should be taken into account is any possible effect that a possible change to the crosshairs might have. A boost to the headshot multiplier might be very OP if its suddenly much easier to get a headshot in the first place. But for myself I've always considered it a failure in design if a sniper can hit and kill from one redline to the other. The deepest into their own redline a sniper should be allowed is out of the range of the longest range sidearm but in range of the shortest range light weapon. If a sniper wants to cover the other as much of the map as possible, then they should have to leave the redline and come out to play CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 279	Posted - 2014.08.04 18:48:00 - [64] - Quote They fix the head glitch and redline sniping is a non-issue. Theoretically, if they can snipe out you can snipe in. The only significant difference between the militia sniper and other snipers is the charged and Thales damage wise. The rest it's a matter of learning to hit the head. Shouldn't be hard since sniping requires the sniper to stand/sit still. Problem arises where they snipe through the crest of a hill with their head (The highest point on their body) fully covered.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3837	Posted - 2014.08.04 20:32:00 - [65] - Quote Mike De Luca wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider The redline will never be removed ever. We saw what happend if there is no protection in the closed beta to players who get stomped. The result is that you have vehicles sitting infront of your spawnpoint or underneath the MCC. And believe me you dont want that 6 railgun LAV's are going to point at the exact spot where you have to spawn. Yeah, the redline totally stops em now lol Well you dont get spawnkilled in the redline. Except if it is a OB but that is a rare occasion. New shield module!
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 235	Posted - 2014.08.04 21:51:00 - [66] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider The redline will never be removed ever. We saw what happend if there is no protection in the closed beta to players who get stomped. The result is that you have vehicles sitting infront of your spawnpoint or underneath the MCC. And believe me you dont want that 6 railgun LAV's are going to point at the exact spot where you have to spawn. Yeah, the redline totally stops em now lol Well you dont get spawnkilled in the redline. Except if it is a OB but that is a rare occasion. Ashland n Manus Peak say hello lol what i think of when charging fg
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 244	Posted - 2014.08.04 23:11:00 - [67] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: I think every sniper in the game that reads this thread should snipe the OP from the redline whenever they see him just to **** him off lol Haha...come at me bros...ISK reward for whoever kills me 5 times in a single match with a sniper lol, so now the op even admits that he doesn't think he can be killed 5 times in one match to a sniper. at the same time as saying that they are in a good place and shouldn't be buffed, and at the same time as complaining that snipers don't sit out in the open.... more contradiction.. seriously op do you even look at what you are typing? 1.if you would actually put an open challenge out to all of the snipers in dust, (and i promise you some of the best have seen it) for an isk reward to kill you 5 times in one match you clearly do not believe that they are much of a threat. this shows they are not in a good place. 2. you think that all snipers are using cheap tactics in the red line or other positions that are in your opinion "safe" are being "cheap sissies" whilst openly acknowledging that they don't stand much of a chance within range of light weapons. thus showing that they need to keep their long range aspect. 3. open respect for a player that will waste entire rounds working for the enemy because of his hatred for snipers even on his own team. this doesn't look good for your own credibility. i genuinely don't know what you are trying to achieve here, you are in such a mad rush to hate on snipers that you are proving our points for us. Leanna boghin... nice signature
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.05 00:23:00 - [68] - Quote I say make their range no more than a rail rifle...then make them a single head shot or 2 body shots....then they will have to come at us bros Master of The Flaylock
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 235	Posted - 2014.08.05 02:02:00 - [69] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: I say make their range no more than a rail rifle...then make them a single head shot or 2 body shots....then they will have to come at us bros Thus negating the entire point of it being a sniper rifle.... what i think of when charging fg
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3846	Posted - 2014.08.05 02:49:00 - [70] - Quote Mike De Luca wrote: Egonz4 wrote: I say make their range no more than a rail rifle...then make them a single head shot or 2 body shots....then they will have to come at us bros Thus negating the entire point of it being a sniper rifle.... Sounds legit. (The godfather of tactical logistics)

Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 237	Posted - 2014.08.05 02:53:00 - [71] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: Egonz4 wrote: I say make their range no more than a rail rifle...then make them a single head shot or 2 body shots....then they will have to come at us bros Thus negating the entire point of it being a sniper rifle.... Sounds legit. Yup, at that point might as well just use a scr what i think of when charging fg
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1283	Posted - 2014.08.05 02:53:00 - [72] - Quote Don't buff snipers. Ever. And nerf the Thale's while you're at it!
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 66	Posted - 2014.08.06 11:39:00 - [73] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? I didn't realize that, thanks for the update though :) Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 907	Posted - 2014.08.06 12:09:00 - [74] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? We already have a Rail Rifle. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Mike De Luca STOP TRYING TO RECRUIT ME 239	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:32:00 - [75] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? We already have a Rail Rifle. I'd put it more akin to a Scrambler personally what i think of when charging fg
Zindorak 1.U.P 254	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:41:00 - [76] - Quote Hopefully sniping gets better in regards to ADS i hate the sway and its annoying that the hit detection is terrible. Damage buff not required maybe a little bit. And NO HEADSHOT MULTIPLIER it would make Redline snipers OP Pokemon master
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 421	Posted - 2014.08.06 15:45:00 - [77] - Quote Mike De Luca wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Mike De Luca wrote: Egonz4 wrote: I say make their range no more than a rail rifle...then make them a single head shot or 2 body shots....then they will have to come at us bros Thus negating the entire point of it being a sniper rifle.... Sounds legit. Yup, at that point might as well just use a scr Rail rifles have a decent range....it just hardly does a spec of damage if they shoot at you..... Master of The Flaylock
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 253	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:45:00 - [78] - Quote nerf the range to that of a rail rifle? why bother? once again you clearly show that you just want to get rid of snipers completely. as for shooting people at those ranges.. all well and good but you are neglecting to take into account that people play via hip fire and aim assist on here so the sniper will be dead before they get their scope to stop swaying. also if you insist in that sort of range then i insist one ohk headshots for every suit with every sniper rifle, no sway at all. and the ability to move whilst ads. i'm also going to insist on a hip fire reticule. because you are suggesting they be made into marksmen rifles. honestly every post is getting worse, just so you know. Quote: Hopefully sniping gets better in regards to ADS i hate the sway and its annoying that the hit detection is terrible. Damage buff not required maybe a little bit. And NO HEADSHOT MULTIPLIER it would make Redline snipers OP I disagree the damage on snipers is far from good enough and snipers should have the highest headshot multiplier out of all weapons. have you used one in a pc match? try it then say that they don't need a buff. the results you see in a pub match are always from proto snipers against advanced suits. advanced sniper rifles are a joke.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 367	Posted - 2014.08.06 23:54:00 - [79] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Hopefully sniping gets better in regards to ADS i hate the sway and its annoying that the hit detection is terrible. Damage buff not required maybe a little bit. And NO HEADSHOT MULTIPLIER it would make Redline snipers OP Red line snipers aren't going for head shots generally. If they are it's time consuming. You have to fidget with the controller way more when someone's head is smaller than the dot. If that head shot does land, they were likely standing still and deserved to take the hit. If you want to fix sniping, consult those who snipe.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 296	Posted - 2014.08.07 00:02:00 - [80] - Quote Dear OP... You are a scrub if you're afraid of snipers in this game. Literally every other weapon is more frightening. Unless you're a scout. Either way, it shouldn't be on your list of priorities unless you've been tagged or killed by one. Then it's simply a matter of noticing where his shots are coming from and finding cover. If you're a medium or something, use a shield extender. They're great for soaking up that first sniper bullet. Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth



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