Which point should I address first?

The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy?

Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies

First, prove to me that all snipers are in the redline, and that they're "cheap sissies".

Your the one who made the assertion, so burden of proof is on you, not me.

Im a cheap redline sniper

And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null.

That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos".

Also

And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null.

That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos".

Also

Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies

I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out.

I can improve upon this!

You can fly a python into the enemy's MCC infantry launch bay, hop out with your HMG heavy with grenades and kill them inside their own MCC. Tested in PC against some crappy Latino corporation that wouldn't fight us.

And your one of the 100s of Snipers, so this is null.

That's like me saying "I'm a male, and I use Commandos, so only males use Commandos".

Also

LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown.

No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap.


Why don't you see this?

are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline?

No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap.


Why don't you see this?

Way back in the day, there were plenty of sniper spots outside the redline. Then people whined and bitched about it, and CCP removed them. Now the good spots are in the redline.

Give snipers their perches back, and your argument of "redline snipers are sissies" will hold water. Until then, I'm going to snipe from the best vantage position on whatever map I'm on.

Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies

are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline?

LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown.

I don't know if you people think of the redline outside of sniping but here is what will happen if you remove it. Instead of one team stomping and redlining the other team. That same team will stomp only now the other team has no safe place to spawn. The enemy can literally sit under the mcc and shoot them as they fall out. People will rush to clear out the other teams uplinks and kill the first wave as fast as they can then just set a dedicated spawn camp team to hold them in while the rest go out and hack objectives. Removing it will break pubs, i promise you.

I agree that something needs to be changed but i really can't offer a decent solution. I personally think sniper rifle damage is fine as is. If you have a charge at prof. 5 with even a basic commando and 1 complex damage mod (my sniping fit) you can 2 shot most suits. If a sniper wants more damage on such a low risk weapon then the trade off is he needs to spec fully in to S.R. prof. and caldari commando level 5 .

Even as someone who really enjoys sniping i don't think it should ever be able to 1 shot a sentinel suit even with a headshot. We need suits in this game that can accomplish things without the fear of being 1 shot by 500 meters away. Suits in this game are expensive. It's not like other shooters where deaths are penalty free. That's the number one reason i believe S.R. damage should not be increased. IF however, they are somehow prevented from sniping from the redline they would need some kind of boost. I think ccp was trying to balance snipers before by making the caldari commando suit. Encouraging players to take a sniper rifle into the field knowing they had another main light weapon to fall back on. Sadly they can't force people to play differently, only offer the option. I do find a field sniper very effective on ambush though.

Notice most or all of the people who replied to this thread are the stupid Caldari snipers or have Caldari as their main suit, which in fact, most of the snipers are Caldari given the suit layout. Excluding me and that one other Minmitar.

Buff them.

Give them a headshot by class:
150% light
200% scout,
250% medium
300% assault
350% logi
400% heavy
450% commando
500% Sentinal

But only for shots from within the Warzone ie outside the redzone.

Also once you get to 10x kills countdown timer works in your redzone as well as the enemy

LMAO!! DAMN! Now that is what i call redlining, flying into the enemy MCC. Can't really top that. You should have set some RE's in there and got 10k wp for MCC takedown.

I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little b*tches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair.

Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon.