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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1746	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:10:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? One would hope. Honestly my complaint is that redline snipers are pretty much not contributing to the battlefield efforts most of the time. The whole "shooting you from safety" thing is BS. I enjoy expending dropships and proto HMG fits simply to drop on and murder them and their precious thales. Plus countersniping is fun if you're patient.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4121	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:15:00 - [32] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I kill redline snipers all the time. I use a militia sniper rifle to retaliate for their crimes. When you stick four damage mods on a sentinel to shoot at redline snipers the result is pure hilarity when they lose their precious Thale. The hatemail is so very, very delicious. I offer 1 million ISK to any squad mate who relinquishes a Thale from it's user. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6511	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:35:00 - [33] - Quote Said it before and I'll say it again: Map design and game mechanics are not the fault of the weapon, or the player. Game balance should not revolve around 'redlines', especially in a game where there is massive incentive to redlining the enemy team. The hell do you want them to do, run into your gun? No More Excuses
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1746	Posted - 2014.08.03 11:59:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Said it before and I'll say it again: Map design and game mechanics are not the fault of the weapon, or the player. Game balance should not revolve around 'redlines', especially in a game where there is massive incentive to redlining the enemy team. The hell do you want them to do, run into your gun? Nah I just pick 'em off.
Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 112	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:08:00 - [35] - Quote There are plenty of counters to snipers, as we all know... Sniping will always be a way for lower sp players to enter the game, they can learn the game from watching from a far and build up their sp and isk. They wouldn't be a greater asset getting stomped on the frontline anyway. Skilled snipers often play outside the redline or can provide worthwhile support and intel from the redline and changing the redline would not change a skilled snipers habbits. And remind me again how exactly do you know where your own redline ends, so you can keep outside of it to stop people complaining?
Cass Caul 292	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:27:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? You do realizing that IRL you're a worthless little aspie kid that no one likes? The only reason I ever use a sniper rifle now is to pick off Forge-sniping asshats. Oh, no, wait, for the past 6 months Sentinels have had an increase in HP or effective HP while the sniper rifle lost out on proficiency bonus and damage mods. The range of the sniper rifle is literally the only reason I still choose to use it over a forge gun. Even then, the purpose it once served post armor plate buff was completely negated by 1.7 vehicle changes and surface effects. An ADS is a far better tool to clear off rooftops. Unless the Sniper Rifle in DUST 514 started to be like every other game with Sniper Rifles in it and actually killed in a single headshot, a reduction in range only further increases the Forge Gun's ability as an anti-infantry weapon. However, without being skilled in either of these (regardless of Skill Points invested in the weapons) that's probably to nonspecific for you to understand. Alas, all this falls on deaf ears for there is much democracy afoot when dealing with hot-fixes, rather than the necessary meritocracy to keep out trolls, flaming posts, and idiots such as IWS. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:31:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: emm kay wrote: are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? Where in that post did I say that players within the redline should be rewarded? Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. There's nothing to see other than you being unable to form a logical and coherent reason as to why Sniper Rifles shouldn't be viable, while also conforming to a logical fallacy. You can't look at it with all that x y stuff....you have to use your own logical opinion and you would see that redline sniping is a cheap tactic......now if you are not in the redline thats totally different....but anyone who chooses to redline cuz of the big reward and little risk is afraid of a real fight. Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:33:00 - [38] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: You do realize that a sniper buff is likely to come with a range nerf right? Well I hope so....maybe that will force them out of the redline.....what's your opinion saber Master of The Flaylock
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2029	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:49:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: emm kay wrote: are you saying that we should reward these people that snipe in the redline? Where in that post did I say that players within the redline should be rewarded? Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. There's nothing to see other than you being unable to form a logical and coherent reason as to why Sniper Rifles shouldn't be viable, while also conforming to a logical fallacy. They really need a troll face. i rarely snipe and thats because of poor map design. I use "cheap" tactics because that's is either the only or most effective. Snipers rarely go 4 the forge towers because its not a viable tactic to use with current mechanics of that weapon. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 240	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:47:00 - [40] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: No that's no the same at all......using a tactic that gets you a lot of kills with little risk is being a sissy......it's cheap. Why don't you see this? The logic behind it is indeed the same. Ladwar's logic: I am Y, and use X therefore all X users must be Y Your logic: All X users are Y Logic used in my example: I'm Y, and I use X, so only Y uses X. They're all the same in the sense that while they aren't worded exactly the same, they all claim that X users (in the case being Snipers) are Y (in the case being "cheap redline sissies"); which is indeed a fallacy. .[/quote] You can't look at it with all that x y stuff....you have to use your own logical opinion and you would see that redline sniping is a cheap tactic......now if you are not in the redline thats totally different....but anyone who chooses to redline cuz of the big reward and little risk is afraid of a real fight.[/quote] so egonz is it your intention to be both obtuse and opaque? what is the problem, you can't make up your mind? "all snipers are cheap red line sissies" "red line sniping is a cheap tactic... now if you are not in the red line thats a totally different story" also "it's a cheap tactic to get lots of kills without risk" i think you mean it's a successful tactic. or are you honestly saying that a decent and true tactic would be to not kill anybody unless you are at risk? i.e you are saying that a cloaked scout with a shotty or nova knives, a tank driver, and ads pilot, any player using proto, any player using full squad tactics,q sync, shoot at another player who's back is turned, etc, etc... are also "cheap sissies" who exactly isn't then? just the players who solo play in an assault suit and only run headlong into enemy fire? so in your opinion there are only two types of player, cheap sissies or mouth breathers. well done sir.. you sound amazingly intelligent.

Everything Dies BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE 891	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:13:00 - [41] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies If you see me in the redline with a sniper rifle, you can rest assured that I have at least one node with a clear line of sight to defend against hackers. Does that make me a sissy, or smart? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 251	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:21:00 - [42] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies If you see me in the redline with a sniper rifle, you can rest assured that I have at least one node with a clear line of sight to defend against hackers. Does that make me a sissy, or smart? What makes you think you can't be both? But really is it fun... If not, then you're probably not smart being bored the whole game.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:12:00 - [43] - Quote "I saw you spinning AFK in the MCC... and you want us to prove how snipers are more active than you?" U saw me afk....plz enlighten me Master of The Flaylock
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 302	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:17:00 - [44] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 302	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:27:00 - [45] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little btches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair. Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon. You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. In fact, it couldn't be done. It WOULD be the end of Dust. considering most of you whine ass do nothing but complain that sniping is for pussies i can guarantee you dumb asses wouldnt bother to snipe if it got a buff let alone even think about it. So stop your bitching if they decide to buff it i will be the first to kill you with my sniper rifle to show you how well it works. And the only thing that kills dust is people like you bitching that everything is either too over powered or too under powered. Get good at the game noob and maybe you wont die by sniper fire. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P*
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11232	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:37:00 - [46] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. We wouldn't need to. You're the one who says it would be, so burden of proof rests in your hands. If I don't, who will? -HAND
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:53:00 - [47] - Quote Atiim wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. We wouldn't need to. You're the one who says it would be, so burden of proof rests in your hands. The whole purpose of this post was to make sure they don't so... Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:55:00 - [48] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. You are correct....I wasn't saying all snipers.....non redline snipers are people who are a good sport that think they have enough skill to fend off people that come at them Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:58:00 - [49] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: I'd like to see any number of these pathetic little b*tches that complain about redline snipers participate in a PC match against a good corp and see how well they fair. Oh. Wait. That's right, the people that complain about snipers don't actually use the weapon. You'd have a hard time convincing me that 90% of matches wouldn't be filled with snipers if they buffed the role. In fact, it couldn't be done. It WOULD be the end of Dust. considering most of you whine ass do nothing but complain that sniping is for pussies i can guarantee you dumb asses wouldnt bother to snipe if it got a buff let alone even think about it. So stop your bitching if they decide to buff it i will be the first to kill you with my sniper rifle to show you how well it works. And the only thing that kills dust is people like you bitching that everything is either too over powered or too under powered. Get good at the game noob and maybe you wont die by sniper fire. Haha...well first off snipers are fine as they are....and skill won't matter if u don't know when your about to be sniped Master of The Flaylock
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 303	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:00:00 - [50] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. You are correct....I wasn't saying all snipers.....non redline snipers are people who are a good sport that think they have enough skill to fend off people that come at them And again you have no idea what you are talking about so stop typing. When i said not all snipers are pussies i was referring to redliners as well. If you dont like it then go back to COD. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you

Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 303	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:19:00 - [51] - Quote I think every sniper in the game that reads this thread should snipe the OP from the redline whenever they see him just to ** him off lol I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off**
Everything Dies BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE 893	Posted - 2014.08.03 23:37:00 - [52] - Quote Let's cut to the chase--if the Thales wasn't so godly, would ANYONE complain about snipers being anything more than a nuisance? Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Alena Ventrallis S0VER31GN 1521	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:30:00 - [53] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Let's cut to the chase--if the Thales wasn't so godly, would ANYONE complain about snipers being anything more than a nuisance? A thale's on a commando cko with 3 complex damage mods (mximum possible damage a sniper can put out) is survivable by any of the anti-armor starter suits. It is by no means godly. Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:35:00 - [54] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Egonz4 wrote: They said they wanted to look at snipers in delta..... So b4 u break the game DONT! Snipers are lazy ppl who sissy off into the redline to get a lot of kills while they are untouched...... They're The Last Thing That Needs To Be Buffed.....so plz CCP reconsider lol Butthurt much? ok i can agree the sniper rifles dont need a buff but not all snipers are sissies sitting in the redline trying to get easy kills. Thats where you are completely wrong. And you would know you are wrong if you actually met a decent sniper that actually tries to help their team and not just kill. You are correct....I wasn't saying all snipers.....non redline snipers are people who are a good sport that think they have enough skill to fend off people that come at them And again you have no idea what you are talking about so stop typing. When i said not all snipers are pussies i was referring to redliners as well. If you dont like it then go back to COD. Haha...see my friend....that's where you are wrong also...redline sniping makes you a sissy... Little or no risk/big reward...so.eone plz tell me in what situation is redline sniping not cowardous? Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:37:00 - [55] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: I think every sniper in the game that reads this thread should snipe the OP from the redline whenever they see him just to **** him off lol Haha...come at me bros...ISK reward for whoever kills me 5 times in a single match with a sniper Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:40:00 - [56] - Quote I'm not saying me or him is right but....judge rhadamanthus...soon to be cpm1 (maybe chairman) member thinks redline sniping is a cheap tactic....and I would bet a lot of cpm1 do too..... Good thing they represent the players of Dust 514 Master of The Flaylock
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3845	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:29:00 - [57] - Quote Whatever. Anyone who get killed that often by redline snipers needs to git gud. I run a slow ass Amarr logi suit crossing open plains all the damn time to drop some links or rejoin the battle after doing so, and it's really rare for a redline sniper to do more than make me grumble under my breath for a few seconds while I respawn. The redline and any imaginary problems associated with it, is a symptom of the real problem, which is roflmatchmaking and low player counts. If anything done in the redline seriously affects what you do, well, that's a little sad, tbh. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5643	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:43:00 - [58] - Quote Don't Buff Snipers EVEN if The Redline Is Removed! Fixed* The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 356	Posted - 2014.08.04 04:52:00 - [59] - Quote Snipers don't want a buff. They want to be balanced. Seeing as how they haven't been touched since beta. Everyone likes to be touched now and then. In the mean time I'm murdering heavies with my forge gun. Medium range sniper rifle with no magnification and insta-kills all infantry and blows up anything on the map. And here you complain about sniper rifles. If you want to fix sniping, consult those who snipe.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 397	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:06:00 - [60] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Atiim wrote: Which point should I address first? The redline argument or the fact that the entire second half your your argument is a fallacy? Haha....prove to me that redline snipers aren't cheap sissies theres this thing called proto stomping....so if that happensexpect your team to be losing lots of proto gear to a thales. use of SR is justified. sniping is a valid option regardless of situation and their not lazy. sniping is harder than it seems. trying to remain hidden for an entire match while avoiding/countering other snipers and picking off heavies/stragglers eventually running out of ammo. sniper rifles tend to have 5 shot clips with about 24 ammo spare. most scouts take 2 shots. mediums can take 3-4 and heavies can take more than 5 half the time. not counting in headshots. and that equipment slot is either rep hive (if their a ** sniper)or a k-2 nano. Elite Gallenten Soldier**



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