DUST Search - Skill stacking ADS

Monkey MAC wrote:

Onesimus Tarsus wrote:

Klutch Cordova wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Because some of us have standards, chivalry and numerous other gentlemanly attributes that make us prefer a fair fight!

The only fair fights in Dust are the ones where everyone is unfair.

Kdr matchmaking fixes this.

No, it breakes more than it fixes.
You end up with

Heavies with no Masters
Logis with no Dogs
Thale Snipers against Scouts
AV against Assaults
Tanks against each other.

KDR is a pointless metric to multiple roles and in some cases has no bearing on their performance.
Which is more important . . . . .

A Logi who kills people, or a logi who rezzes people?
A AVer who kills people, or a AVer who destroys anything with a turret?
A Scout who kills people, or a Scouts who scans people?
A Sentinel who kills people, or a Sentinel who never loose a point?

KDR only matters to those whoose job is to 'kill people', which is a single role.

The best matchmaking system would be an EvE-esque one. 3 Security statuses, each time you achieve a new sew you achieve the relevant security status. You can bring anything below the designated tier, but at your own risk.
(Example: You are free to run STD in NULL SEC Space, but if you die to lots of proto, you have only yourself to blame)

HIGH SEC: MLT/STD
LOW SEC: ADV
NULL SEC: PRO

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Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1106	Posted - 2014.07.28 19:30:00 - [1] - Quote Ran into on in a match, and HOLY **** MAN. Those things are utterly insane. Spent most of the time in the redline (as that's the ONLY place you have a chance of shooting one when you are a lone tanker), ended up losing the tank to it eventually (actually another tank finally came up, he just got the killing blow). Called in an ADS to see what this thing was all about, and was AMAZED at how the gunner instantly (all missiles left that launcher in less a second) destroyed my ADS. OP much? Why doesn't EVERYONE do this! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 32	Posted - 2014.07.28 19:44:00 - [2] - Quote It's a bug, and people that exploit it should be punished.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3744	Posted - 2014.07.28 19:47:00 - [3] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: It's a bug, and people that exploit it should be punished. And how should people avoid it? As im aware you cant "unskill" your skilltree. New shield module!
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 32	Posted - 2014.07.28 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Malleus Malificorum wrote: It's a bug, and people that exploit it should be punished. And how should people avoid it? As im aware you cant "unskill" your skilltree. By simply not doing it? I have characters that have been skilled into things that were also susceptible to bugs that caused unfair advantages (like the weapon swap while hacking glitch with cloak that allowed you to run around cloaked and still use a weapon), I simply chose not to exploit them. It's not hard to go "hey let's not be assholes who have 3 people with python/incubus level 5 in one dropship". CCP didn't force you to spend the skillpoints to exploit the bug, nor do they force people all into one assault dropship. You are making a choice when you exploit and you should be punished for choosing to exploit a bug in order to gain an unfair advantage over others. These things aren't abused by accident, don't try to pretend that they are.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2597	Posted - 2014.07.28 21:57:00 - [5] - Quote It is something I would like to get fixed ASAP. It is an imbalance that we do not need. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 229	Posted - 2014.07.28 22:18:00 - [6] - Quote The ads bonus without the bug is uneeded, I'd honestly rather it was just some kind of bonus to pg/cpu cost when placing multiple turrets on the thing. But yeah, the glitched fire speed is beyond stupid.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2302	Posted - 2014.07.28 22:32:00 - [7] - Quote CCP made dropships a Giant ******* joke. They are completely offensive based platforms.. like....WTF? The main means in the entire game for troop transport and Mobile spawn platforms and you made it an offensive slaying platform? You serious? Dropships state in the game is direct evidence of the incompetence of the Developers that have spent a year touching them. One of the most unique factors to the Console FPS market and CCP does what with them? made it easier to hover? made the camera arguably worse? I Swear CCP Shanghai must have a Solid Gold Toilet that they goto everyday to flush their money down.
TEBOW BAGGINS Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1142	Posted - 2014.07.28 23:17:00 - [8] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Why doesn't EVERYONE do this! because most pilots are to doosh baggy for their egos to make room for a gunner? AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 2024	Posted - 2014.07.29 00:26:00 - [9] - Quote the bug isnt all that great. you kill yourself as a gunner more then you kill the reds and its also completly useless in any friendly fire environment due to the fact that the gunner ends up killing the host dropship. theres a reason the pros dont use gunners... and its because it simply isnt viable, trust me me and a few pilots have tried everything we know. its kinda hilarious but the pilot ends up having to fly entirly for the sake of a single gunner and fly in a manner that makes it extremly easy to shoot down the ship. the only thing its REALLY good at is anti tank as you can unload with the primary then fly at an angle and unload with the gunner as the primary reloads, then swap back to a primary overloading the reps tanks used to have. Minmatar is Winmatar
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1106	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:19:00 - [10] - Quote The guy mailed me back, as I asked him about it. Turns out he was not skill stacking. Apparently the gunner wasn't skilled into ADS. But still, the damage output was rather insane. My 5300 shielded tank melted to the two guns. Seems gunners can be quite deadly none the less. And it seems to me they need to fix that FF damage so that you can't blow yourself out of the dropship. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Lanius Pulvis SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 327	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:05:00 - [11] - Quote Personally I'd like to see all turret augmenting skills in the turret skill tree only apply to the turret you are using, and the dropship specific ones only apply the pilot's skill. I'm not sure if that's doable server side though, I'm not a programmer. Not new, just new to you.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 446	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:06:00 - [12] - Quote It's called B-ítchcraft. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2183	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:09:00 - [13] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Ran into on in a match, and HOLY ** MAN. Those things are utterly insane. Spent most of the time in the redline (as that's the ONLY place you have a chance of shooting one when you are a lone tanker), ended up losing the tank to it eventually (actually another tank finally came up, he just got the killing blow). Called in an ADS to see what this thing was all about, and was AMAZED at how the gunner instantly (all missiles left that launcher in less a second) destroyed my ADS. OP much? Why doesn't EVERYONE do this! The reality is you called in a glass cannon damage mod ADS, and went against a seasoned pilot with a great python fit. You went for the throat using very little evasion, and got face rolled. Glass cannons fits are designed for hit and run, not face to face slow combat, /thread Give me my scrambler pistol back....
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 154	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:14:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CCP made dropships a Giant ******* joke. They are completely offensive based platforms.. like....WTF? The main means in the entire game for troop transport and Mobile spawn platforms and you made it an offensive slaying platform? You serious? Dropships state in the game is direct evidence of the incompetence of the Developers that have spent a year touching them. One of the most unique factors to the Console FPS market and CCP does what with them? made it easier to hover? made the camera arguably worse? I Swear CCP Shanghai must have a Solid Gold Toilet that they goto everyday to flush their money down. It is called an Assault Drop Shop for a reason, its men't to be offence based. Which is why it only has a few seating places. The stacking bug is a bit bad, but it goes all the way back to tanks as well, turret skills stacked in tanks since closed beta. Also there are other drop ships that are ment as troop transport and not militia ones.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3172	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:17:00 - [15] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Ran into on in a match, and HOLY ** MAN. Those things are utterly insane. Spent most of the time in the redline (as that's the ONLY place you have a chance of shooting one when you are a lone tanker), ended up losing the tank to it eventually (actually another tank finally came up, he just got the killing blow). Called in an ADS to see what this thing was all about, and was AMAZED at how the gunner instantly (all missiles left that launcher in less a second) destroyed my ADS. OP much? Why doesn't EVERYONE do this! Because some of us have standards, chivalry and numerous other gentlemanly attributes that make us prefer a fair fight! They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Klutch Cordova THE CAUCASIAN PERSUASION 29	Posted - 2014.07.29 21:27:00 - [16] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Because some of us have standards, chivalry and numerous other gentlemanly attributes that make us prefer a fair fight! The only fair fights in Dust are the ones where everyone is unfair. Logi, logi, logi, can't you see? Hit points are droppin' on the heavy. It's "Klutch," not "Krutch."
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2370	Posted - 2014.07.29 21:37:00 - [17] - Quote Klutch Cordova wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Because some of us have standards, chivalry and numerous other gentlemanly attributes that make us prefer a fair fight! The only fair fights in Dust are the ones where everyone is unfair. Kdr matchmaking fixes this. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7904	Posted - 2014.07.29 21:39:00 - [18] - Quote I saw someone use this once, and he got like 60 kills. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3174	Posted - 2014.07.29 22:13:00 - [19] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Klutch Cordova wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Because some of us have standards, chivalry and numerous other gentlemanly attributes that make us prefer a fair fight! The only fair fights in Dust are the ones where everyone is unfair. Kdr matchmaking fixes this. No, it breakes more than it fixes. You end up with Heavies with no Masters Logis with no Dogs Thale Snipers against Scouts AV against Assaults Tanks against each other. KDR is a pointless metric to multiple roles and in some cases has no bearing on their performance. Which is more important . . . . . A Logi who kills people, or a logi who rezzes people? A AVer who kills people, or a AVer who destroys anything with a turret? A Scout who kills people, or a Scouts who scans people? A Sentinel who kills people, or a Sentinel who never loose a point? KDR only matters to those whoose job is to 'kill people', which is a single role. The best matchmaking system would be an EvE-esque one. 3 Security statuses, each time you achieve a new sew you achieve the relevant security status. You can bring anything below the designated tier, but at your own risk. (Example: You are free to run STD in NULL SEC Space, but if you die to lots of proto, you have only yourself to blame) HIGH SEC: MLT/STD LOW SEC: ADV NULL SEC: PRO They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
SGT NOVA STAR 1.U.P 242	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:09:00 - [20] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: the bug isnt all that great. you kill yourself as a gunner more then you kill the reds and its also completly useless in any friendly fire environment due to the fact that the gunner ends up killing the host dropship. theres a reason the pros dont use gunners... and its because it simply isnt viable, trust me me and a few pilots have tried everything we know. its kinda hilarious but the pilot ends up having to fly entirly for the sake of a single gunner and fly in a manner that makes it extremly easy to shoot down the ship. the only thing its REALLY good at is anti tank as you can unload with the primary then fly at an angle and unload with the gunner as the primary reloads, then swap back to a primary overloading the reps tanks used to have. I wish I could thumbs down your post. I guess you've never seen me and TheBlazed in my incubus with 1 proto rail. He kills shield vehicles in less than a clip while I sit back and rack up points. Don't underestimate a great pilot and a great gunner working together. Incubus level 10 with proto rail is the most dangerous anti EVERYTHING this game ever saw , to bad no one thinks outside the box. Python level 10 or higher is just as deadly. Love ads stacking. VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1808	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:11:00 - [21] - Quote You just found out it is going to be the next FOTM. CCP lowers the cost in Charlie, trolls know you can hit the jets when you get hurt and then come right back fully healed. Ya little gamble big payoff. ADS is going to be so OP. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 203	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:11:00 - [22] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: It is something I would like to get fixed ASAP. It is an imbalance that we do not need. Listen Judge... I voted for you and everything but... The poor people who skilled into small turrets JUST for this... You're not going to shortchange them are you? At least take the PILOT'S SKILL AWAY from the turret AND NOT THE GUNNER'S. THAT would really be the ONLY fair way to do it... Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
TEBOW BAGGINS Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 1144	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:17:00 - [23] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: theres a reason the pros dont use gunners... and its because it simply isnt viable, trust me me and a few pilots have tried everything we know. /shrug to each his own AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
TEBOW BAGGINS Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 1144	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:27:00 - [24] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: It is something I would like to get fixed ASAP. It is an imbalance that we do not need. Listen Judge... I voted for you and everything but... The poor people who skilled into small turrets JUST for this... You're not going to shortchange them are you? At least take the PILOT'S SKILL AWAY from the turret AND NOT THE GUNNER'S. THAT would really be the ONLY fair way to do it... ikr the dedicated gunners are owed a respec if they completely nerf stacking AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 248	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: It's a bug, and people that exploit it should be punished. Cough Judge Cough Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 248	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:08:00 - [26] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: It is something I would like to get fixed ASAP. It is an imbalance that we do not need. Listen Judge... I voted for you and everything but... The poor people who skilled into small turrets JUST for this... You're not going to shortchange them are you? At least take the PILOT'S SKILL AWAY from the turret AND NOT THE GUNNER'S. THAT would really be the ONLY fair way to do it... ikr the dedicated gunners are owed a respec if they completely nerf stacking removing the stack bug would make it so the pilot and the gunner have the same ROF those who specced into the turret will still enjoy those benefits and if said gunner specced into the ADS just to be a gunner... you should have seen this coming... Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 159	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:39:00 - [27] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: It is something I would like to get fixed ASAP. It is an imbalance that we do not need. Listen Judge... I voted for you and everything but... The poor people who skilled into small turrets JUST for this... You're not going to shortchange them are you? At least take the PILOT'S SKILL AWAY from the turret AND NOT THE GUNNER'S. THAT would really be the ONLY fair way to do it... ikr the dedicated gunners are owed a respec if they completely nerf stacking removing the stack bug would make it so the pilot and the gunner have the same ROF those who specced into the turret will still enjoy those benefits and if said gunner specced into the ADS just to be a gunner... you should have seen this coming... Only with sp invested in ads do you get a rate of fire bonus, none of the turret skills or mods give it that bonus. If im out of ADS and my squad mate calls one in and has extra turrets then you better believe im going use one, not because of the bug, but because i don't have anymore and my squad mate has a gunner seat open for me.
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2372	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:41:00 - [28] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Klutch Cordova wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Because some of us have standards, chivalry and numerous other gentlemanly attributes that make us prefer a fair fight! The only fair fights in Dust are the ones where everyone is unfair. Kdr matchmaking fixes this. No, it breakes more than it fixes. You end up with Heavies with no Masters Logis with no Dogs Thale Snipers against Scouts AV against Assaults Tanks against each other. KDR is a pointless metric to multiple roles and in some cases has no bearing on their performance. Which is more important . . . . . A Logi who kills people, or a logi who rezzes people? A AVer who kills people, or a AVer who destroys anything with a turret? A Scout who kills people, or a Scouts who scans people? A Sentinel who kills people, or a Sentinel who never loose a point? KDR only matters to those whoose job is to 'kill people', which is a single role. The best matchmaking system would be an EvE-esque one. 3 Security statuses, each time you achieve a new sew you achieve the relevant security status. You can bring anything below the designated tier, but at your own risk. (Example: You are free to run STD in NULL SEC Space, but if you die to lots of proto, you have only yourself to blame) HIGH SEC: MLT/STD LOW SEC: ADV NULL SEC: PRO Assumes perfect weapon balance. Kdrmm doesn't need that. It just matches lethality and lets roles be filled at level of lethality. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
TEBOW BAGGINS Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 1144	Posted - 2014.07.30 01:00:00 - [29] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: It is something I would like to get fixed ASAP. It is an imbalance that we do not need. Listen Judge... I voted for you and everything but... The poor people who skilled into small turrets JUST for this... You're not going to shortchange them are you? At least take the PILOT'S SKILL AWAY from the turret AND NOT THE GUNNER'S. THAT would really be the ONLY fair way to do it... ikr the dedicated gunners are owed a respec if they completely nerf stacking removing the stack bug would make it so the pilot and the gunner have the same ROF those who specced into the turret will still enjoy those benefits and if said gunner specced into the ADS just to be a gunner... you should have seen this coming... my only concern is it gets nerfed along with the large turret installation buff- so now we suck vs those i guess just spam price reduced ADS at them, should be pretty epic AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2343	Posted - 2014.07.30 02:19:00 - [30] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Why doesn't EVERYONE do this! because most pilots are to doosh baggy for their egos to make room for a gunner? wrongamundo!! I do this all the time with fellow pilots, and my pants feel great getting vehicle kill assists, it's like logi work, you don't get a good KD/R with it, but dem points yo! I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.

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